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where to start
#1
Ok please ignore my other skeptical post...i just joined but have read everything by CC and books about him which i do recommend to get other views about
him.


Where to start with all this?


Recapitulation?


Meditation?


Gaze in the semi darkness to view the flyer's or mud shadows?


Just looking for other feedback and results from various peoples experiences THAT ARE REAL PLEASE


I would never lie to any of you and those who do well...yikes!


Thanks
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#2
There are many types of people who come to this site. Some found this site with a google search and don`t know much about sorcery. Some have read a few books,
some many books. Some have had experiences with sorcery but are not sorcerers, and some here are real sorcerers or seers. So you will get different information
form everybody here.




You will probably have a hard time getting proof about the reality of castanedas writtings. Maybe the hardest thing to do is to find out for yourself if these
things are real. It`s not an easy task, but there is no real other way.




Read as much as you can. Train yourself in spiritual practices. Try to find a teacher.
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#3
Thanks Blue totem




I like some of the posts i have read so far by you




I am not really looking for proof




I have felt and seen things that i dont talk about so i know a bit about the Nagual
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#4
Hi Docta Lee,


Big question. Think about the priciples layed out in the books.


Journey to Ixtlan is the "How To" book in my opinion.


The recomendations/ methods in that book will, if practiced,


faithfully will lead to "stopping the world."


The most important of those principles is "stopping the internal dialog."


This can be learned and practiced almost anytime, anywhere. And it can by itself lead to this experience of "stopping the world.".


This experience in turn will change your view of reality. It will lead you to the certainty that the world is not what you have always assumed it was.


If you "stop the world" you will in essence be a sorcerer.




This experience will leave you with more questions than you will have time to get answers to if you work at it for the rest of your life.




Welcome to the forum. If we can help, we will.
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#5
Thanks Bob, I will re-read Ixlan
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#6
Docta Lee wrote:

Where to start with all this?



Stalk yourself.
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#7
Or stalk molly... there's boobs involved!
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#8
Stalk your dreams and attempt to see the world with the eyes of a sorcerer.
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#9
Docta;




Start from the beginning.




Study yourself. All the answers to all and any questions which you may have had, have or may ever come to have, have always been within your reach, if you
study the book where they have been written: YOU.




But bear present in your thoughts that the carcass with which you identify yourself, is all but YOU.




It is a garment, a vest, a vehicle, a tool. And as beautiful, complex, intricate, exquisite and sophisticated in its shape, form and working processes as it
is, what your physical senses perceive of that carcass of yours is but a fraction of the totality of that very carcass.




Just like you cannot see the air that you breath, but merely feel the effects of its movements, so too you cannot see the energies that flow intangibly within
your blood circulatory system, your lymphatic system, your ganglial system, your nervous system, or any of your other internal system. Nor can you see the
energies that flow within your meridians' system, your patterns' system, your transforming system, or any of your external systems.




Nonetheless, such energies are real and they are there. If they weren't, you wouldn't be reading this now and asking yourself who in the hec is this
fool to be talking to you as such.




You want answers that help you to make sense of something that only to you concern. Are you not yet tired of wasting energies in vain looking for such answers
where they are not? What will it take for you to understand that the answers that you look for are anywhere in the world around you, but rather where they have
always been?




For those answers which you have been looking for, have always been WITH you.




Not the carcass you call you, not the identity which your conscious identifies as you, but YOU... the true individuality... the essence materialized in the
shape and form of that carcass which all around it agree to give it constant feedback information of the identity which it has grown familiar of... the
identification that it further confirms with every glance it takes at any reflective surface...




In Life, my dear, nothing, but absolutely nothing is what it seems. What you see is not necessarily what is there to be observed. Just ask any illusionist
what's the greatest secret of their art...




Do not take these words of this silly fool as correct... do not dismiss them as useless either... Rather ponder upon them and extract your own conclusions.
Only then will you have knowledge of your own about them to talk about.




Nobody can help anybody else. Only one can help oneself. Nobody can do your walking for you. The best anyone can do, is to point you towards where a door may
be located. The walking to and through the threshold of that door, though, is still yours and yours alone to do and only you and you alone can do it.




Study yourself and you shall find the answers you seek. You have my promisse on it. And fool as I am, I alwasy keep my promisses. Always.




Study yourself.




And ask not for teachers or guides for such study. You already have the best and most clarified teacher you could ever wish for, to guide you and teach you and
assist you in such study... Your own essence.




Study yourself.




And save your breath... call me crazy, call me a nut case, anything you may fancy and feel like calling me, come forward with as many justifications that you
may fancy and feel like coming for this question of yours "where to start"... they will be that and that alone... justifications. We both know that
your question is genuine... as we both know the highly personal motive that you have for asking it, as disguised as a "casual" question rlated to a
certain issue hereby being discussed as it may be... Yep, silly, fool, out of order indeed... Wouldn't have cared to have addressed you, otherwise...




Study yourself.




Here's a humble gift to assist you whenever it may become of worth to you - if ever, of course...




Fever is not only a symptom of a disease, as some may say. Fever is also a symptom of a healing, cleansing process underway.




Tears are not just droplets of watery fluid released due to pain or joy, to anguish or laughter. Tears are also a component of healing and cleansing
processes... pressure relief valves in their own right quite often...




Only the imbeciles and the cretins affirm that they don't change. For the wise and the humble know and understand only too well, that the only constant in
Life is Change.




Don't cry for what's past and cannot be modified. Cry with joy for the understanding that everything which happens, for as bad and uggly and cruel as
it may seem to be, has a function and a purpose to serve in Life.




Study yourself and you shall find and understand such purposes.




And you shall then, with crystaline tears of joy caressing your face, see and understand the loving purpose and the merciful function of all the tears that
have already burnt your cheeks, of all those which your throat had to hurt to contain and all the ones which swamped your heart with a silent anguish which
only you know about...




Study yourself.




There's no bravery in quiting, in succumbing. It takes an untold courage to Live, though. Specially when all odds seem to be against one.




Courage you do have. Find the determination now and stick to it... Study yourself!




Kind Regards




J.




Edited to correct spelling errors... old and slow keyboard, lol...
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