Dark energy

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The vast majority of seers see.

[Blue totem]

Lets face it, with who am I going to talk about shape-changing, the luminous egg, seeing, parallel worlds and inorganics?... With the Wanderling? Or maybe some
kind of web sangha? No, all they talk about is lotus positions and nirvana.




I guess I'm stuck with you assholes.

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Blue totem wrote:

Lets face it, with who am I going to talk about shape-changing, the luminous egg, seeing, parallel worlds and inorganics?... With the Wanderling? Or maybe
some kind of web sangha? No, all they talk about is lotus positions and nirvana.




I guess I'm stuck with you assholes.







Remember the Law of Attraction thingy?




If you attract assholes, what are you?




Incidentally you are one of the few uncomfortable ones here. The rest are just fine.




PS: I'm still hoping that you go to PP. Could you please reconsider?

[Blue totem]

seeitall wrote:



good for him. but I think I may understand his dilemma now.


He likes all the "magic and wonder" in the books but does not want to pay the price,


so he is looking for a way around by proving Juan was wrong.




I've been reading about mysticism and spirituality for more than ten years.


Also, I've been practicing meditation, yoga, chi-chung and taichi for the same time.


I'm a reiki practitionner, and an accupuncturist, not to mention a martial artist.




So good call seeitall, I'm just looking for a way arround the important stuff...

[Blue totem]

I'm not uncomfortable. Not all are DJ purists.


But I'm on the web to have fun, not to argue.




And when I say assholes, I say that in a good way. Like when Don Juan says stalking, he means loving kindness.

[Blue totem]

So spec, if I call you an ****, I mean you are a nice guy.



I'm like Don Juan, I like to call a diamond ring a turd. Cuz I'm so coherent.

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Blue totem wrote:

I'm not uncomfortable. Not all are DJ purists.


But I'm on the web to have fun, not to argue.




And when I say assholes, I say that in a good way. Like when Don Juan says stalking, he means loving kindness.
What are the four moods of stalking? Anybody?




From http://www.prismagems.com/castaneda/donjuan8.html :




The art of stalking is learning all
the quirks of your disguise. To learn them so well no one will know you are disguised. For that you need to be ruthless, cunning, patient, and sweet.


Stalking is an art applicable to
everything. There are four steps to learning it: ruthlessness, cunning, patience, and sweetness. Ruthlessness should not be harshness, cunning should not be
cruelty, patience should not be negligence, and sweetness should not be foolishness. These four steps have to be practiced and perfected until they are so
smooth they are unnoticeable.

[Blue totem]

Victor Sanchez on Castaneda says: Ruthlessness, cunning, patience, sweetness.




Ruthlessness and sweetness in the same concept. Again, a diamond ring is a turd...




When I say read between the lines, thats what I mean.

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Blue totem wrote:

Victor Sanchez on Castaneda says: Ruthlessness, cunning, patience, sweetness.




Ruthlessness and sweetness in the same concept. Again, a diamond ring is a turd...




When I say read between the lines, thats what I mean.
How about recapitulation? Fixing your energy body?




Is that against your religion? If I suggest you a healer for your personal history, would you take the advice or you'll give me a smart-ass answer?

[Blue totem]

Thats how I know you are not a bad guy, you want to help.


By the way, I know about religion, but I'm not religious.




But spec, what do you mean by my personnal history? What does that exactly mean?


Is this another contradictory concept. You know I'm not to fond of DJ's vocabulary.


Try putting it in your own words.




I'm already receiving distance healing from Lisa Williams the famous medium, on a regular basiss.




To repair my energy coat, I meditate. I'm not a recap guy.

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Blue totem wrote:

Thats how I know you are not a bad guy, you want to help.


By the way, I know about religion, but I'm not religious.




But spec, what do you mean by my personnal history? What does that exactly mean?


Is this another contradictory concept. You know I'm not to fond of DJ's vocabulary.


Try putting it in your own words.




I'm already receiving distance healing from Lisa Williams the famous medium, on a regular basiss.




To repair my energy coat, I meditate. I'm not a recap guy.
Personal history is the summation of all our emotionally charged memories. Every piece of personal history rob us of life force that is used to
sustain that memory. In nagual seership one needs to RE-LIVE all his life to free all the emotional energy and reach
the "totality of oneself". The energy body, free from emotional debris, becomes a working body of perception.




In THAT situation stalking, dreaming and developing the double is a fairly easy thing to do and a full second attention
development is around the corner.

[Blue totem]

From what I know, recapitulation is one tool (out of many) to free parcels of energy.


I remember Don Juan saying you have to get the foreign fibers out by recapitulation...


I'm not rejecting it, its good. But I tried it and didn't like it...




Meditation does the same things. The deeper you go in your heart/mind/body, the more energy you recuperate.


If you go deep in meditation, emotions and pain will come out. During meditation, and after, for a period of time.


You will get images and dialogue from events in your life, revealing and reliving inner karma.




Meditation is also good to make yourself inedible to the flyer, it also increases the shine of the luminous egg.


It strenghtens concentration and intent. Its an all purpose exercise.


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So who is this healer you are talking about?

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Blue totem wrote:

From what I know, recapitulation is one tool (out of many) to free parcels of energy.


I remember Don Juan saying you have to get the foreign fibers out by recapitulation...


I'm not rejecting it, its good. But I tried it and didn't like it...




Meditation does the same things. The deeper you go in your heart/mind/body, the more energy you recuperate.


If you go deep in meditation, emotions and pain will come out. During meditation, and after, for a period of time.


You will get images and dialogue from events in your life, revealing and reliving inner karma.




Meditation is also good to make yourself inedible to the flyer, it also increases the shine of the luminous egg.


It strenghtens concentration and intent. Its an all purpose exercise.


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So who is this healer you are talking about?
Meditation doesn't fix personal history (The wanderling is enlightened and his childhood trauma was still there)... purificatory excersises as
mantra repetition, visualizations, etc do the trick.




She is a Shaman Woman that does soul retrievals. In three sessions she retrieves all the soul "parts" that are fragmented or lost out of traumatic
events. Do an internet search. You'll find her.

[Blue totem]

I dont see how reliving events would fix anything. At least on a cognitive level.


Pure psychoanalissis is now outdated. Some cognitive therapy is needed... But not just relivings events.


I see you comming... Yes spec, modern psychology is relevant in link with shamanism...




There we go, we disagree again. Ho well...




Whats her name spec, I'm not going to go on a goose chase,


there are probably douzains of sites on soul retreaval.

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Blue totem wrote:

I dont see how reliving events would fix anything.


Pure psychoanalisiss is not outdated. Some cognitive therapy is needed... But not just relivings events.


I see you comming... Yes spec, modern psychology is relevant in link with shamanism...




There we go, we disagree again. Ho well...




Whats her name spec, I'm not going to go on a goose chase,


there are probably douzains of sites on soul retreaval.
If the trauma is gone, you don't need to reflect anything about anything. There is no emotional pain anymore. You are at ease.




Psychology works with the analitical mind (that's why it doesn't work). Recaping, Auditation, Soul retrieval,
Visualizations, etc... works the energy of the subtle-emotional body.




Of course reliving a traumatic events requires what we latin americans call "grandes y peludas pelotas" (big hairy balls). It's worth it, but
yes... there are ways around it, as I said before.




This Shaman Lady and her soul retrieval is unique. Most of them do ONE soul retrieval per session. This one does SEVERAL PER SESSION. In three sessions you are
done!




If I remembered her name I would tell you, don't you think??




Not only you are opinionated, but argumentative! You are some piece of work.




You better become a good nagual, write a fucking book and treat your appretices right.

[Blue totem]

Yes we are two persistant bastards.




Psychotherapy works. I've done it, still doing it once a month.




I dont want to become a nagual...


I have tools. I believe good ones. I've been told so by many... ( I know you think I'm an ****, but...)


leading others is sush a responsibility. I'd be scared anyway to go on a ego trip.




I would have studied in psychology to be a shrink, if I hadn't gone into art and design.

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Blue totem wrote:

Yes we are two persistant bastards.




Psychotherapy works. I've done it, still doing it once a month.




I dont want to become a nagual...


I have tools. I believe good ones. I've been told so by many... ( I know you think I'm an ****, but...)


leading others is sush a responsibility. I'd be scared anyway to go on a ego trip.




I would have studied in psychology to be a shrink, if I hadn't gone into art and design.
If Psychotherapy works... why do you keep doing it? Aren't you supposed to be "cured" at some point?




I can't imagine a Buddha going to a shrink between meditations.




In recaping once you are done, you are done! You are free, integrated and at ease. Self-importance is still an issue, but you don't have personal history
triggering irrational re-activeness.




If you clean up your act you could be a good guide. You wouldn't be abusive, because you know how it feels.

[Blue totem]

I'm not abusive. Its not because I contradict you that I'm abusive.


I don't think you are abusive because you contradict me. My intentions are good.


I talk with some verve sometimes because I'm passionate about internal life. You do the same...




Actually, I have already helped people with their spirituality... I've been a guide to some people. You too probably.


Most of them are beginner anyway...




Maybe the perfect being with no problems is just a myth. Yes buddhas need help.


Actually, some of the most spirituals ones suffer the most. Because of their sensitivity.




Seeing a shrink is not a like begging for advice. Its a sitting of two minds, working for a common goal.


Dont we do this here a little bit sometimes. Its a comming together of wisdom. In good intentions.

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Blue totem wrote:

I'm not abusive. Its not because I contradict you that I'm abusive.


I don't think you are abusive because you contradict me. My intentions are good.


I talk with some verve sometimes because I'm passionate about internal life. You do the same...




Actually, I have already helped people with their spirituality... I've been a guide to some people. You too probably.


Most of them are beginner anyway...




Maybe the perfect being with no problems is just a myth. Yes buddhas need help.


Actually, some of the most spirituals ones suffer the most. Because of their sensitivity.




Seeing a shrink is not a like begging for advice. Its a sitting of two minds, working for a common goal.


Dont we do this here a little bit sometimes. Its a comming together of wisdom. In good intentions.
I'm not saying that you are abusive. And being a nagual guide is not the same as giving general advice. Working the awareness and spiritual
development of someone is not an easy task.




The rest... well... that's your thinking.

[Blue totem]

CEO's and presidents have their advisors. Why not buddhas?



I say this site is a spiritual institution,


with its board of advisers, research analists, and public relationnists..


This is one continuous board meeting.


Our business, to keep our spiritual stocks up there with the competition.




So bring on the croissants, strudels and coffe.

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Blue totem wrote:

CEO's and presidents have their advisors. Why not buddhas?



I say this site is a spiritual institution,


with its board of advisers, research analists, and public relationnists..


This is one continuous board meeting.


Our business, to keep our spiritual stocks up there with the competition.




So bring on the croissants, strudels and coffe.


I'm not getting a salary here. Buddhas don't need spiritual council. On other affairs perhaps, but if you are enlightened you don't
have issues... I simply can't imagine that....




"You see doc... my nirvana is so blissful that , at times, I don't want to come back to the realm of relativity. What should I do?"




"This world is such a **** hole... I wanna go to Dakini land!"




Come on... what kind of free spirit are you if you rely on someone for council?

[Blue totem]

I get psychological counciling, not spiritual counciling. There is a difference.


I dont really have to do it. If you really want to know.




Its more like a rust treatment on your car. You do it for maintenance and prevention.




Free spirit? Free from pain I'm not. Creative, insightfull spirit, yes I am...




Its not always an advantage to be insightfull. Smart, insightfull people still suffer.

[Blue totem]

I dont know how psychologists, or psychologist's patients are perceived in Argentina.




But here in North America, its very common that people consult therapists. Its almost trendy.

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Blue totem wrote:

I dont know how psychologists, or psychologist's patients are perceived in Argentina.




But here in North America, its very common that people consult therapists. Its almost trendy.



Buenos Aires is perhaps the city with most psychologist per capita in the world. And the country is in the **** house on mental health.




That tells something to the objective observer.

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Some times I think it is just plain wrong how I "lurk" around your conversion. But you both have to
know I am gathering much of the energy the two of you waste on each other. So many times you say the same thing but do not want to admit it. Thanks for the
link:








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