the flyer, how to fight it.

[Blue totem]

Maybe some of you already know me from the Castaneda forum. Anyway, hello to you all.




Over the years, I have had the privilege, or the bad luck, to actually see things described in Castanedas books.


I remember seeing a large amount of black shadows leaping into the air in all directions. They looked like waves of black demons flying and bouncing arround.
It was a scary sight, I taught I was going crazy. Now I think its possible I was seeing the flyers.




Don Juan says we can fight them with discipline (hard to say what is the exact meaning of that...). He talked about inner silence also, recomending to cross
the legs and enter inner silence, or meditate, as a weapon to make our outer shell inedible to them.




I`m lucky, I love to meditate. But do any of you know of any other practical things we can do to fight the installation.




Your input would be appreciated.

[Vrill]

Hi again Blue Totem




I remember you well from the Castaneda forum.




I had that experience as well one time. It was a long time ago in December of 1973.


I was camping in the Grand Canyon and some people brought some really intense California bud. Of which I partook much to my chagrin.


I fell asleep and woke up a couple hours later. I saw giant black bat shadows on the walls of the canyon combined with chilling other-worldy sound effects.




At the time I was really into CC but no one had written about or explained the flyers.


Many things came out of that, mostly good. I stopped taking drugs for good, which probably saved my life.


But the experience made me border-line crazy for about 2 years.




I had to get help from a Spiritual Friend (this person is quite famous actually) and he performed a healing said I had gotten an entity in the canyon, which he
removed. UGH!!! Let's call this thing, whatever it was a mini-nexus of negative energy. More like a parasite, not a possession. My Spiritual friend
called in "help" and dissolved it.




I hope that helps. I learned the hard way that this stuff is not something you mess around with.


I've come out a much stronger person than I was. But I've learned that you only perform stalkings with attentions that are safe.




To put this in context, I am a Tibetan Buddhist now. I wouldn't do any of the Tibetan yogas or Vajrayana practices without the empowerment and blessing
of my teacher.


Otherwise I would be courting trouble. I look at all advanced wisdom teachings from this perspective. Some are safe, and some carry a lot of risk. Stalking
Attention has no risk, if one has trained properly.




I know what's safe to practice and what's not, etc. Personally I prefer safe gradual practices, since they bring the most long term benefit not only
for yourself but also for all of humanity.




Also, I hope people will learn from my mistake and not take drugs, including and especially cannabis. Since the effect of drugs is to blow holes in your
psychic body allowing inorganic beings easy access. It's much better to strengthen your etheric body through healthy practices like mindfulness meditation
that can also heal the rifts and damage caused by drug abuse.




Looking back I suppose that was one of the pivitol experiences of my life, but not one I would want to repeat!

[IMRI]

Hello Blue Totem and Vrill,




While I agree with the defensive art of Discipline, the question is if 'discipline' needs to be a distinct act or practice (like meditation).


Surely impeccability itself can be seen as disciplined action (acting in your truth/ as per your resolve) and in that way act to beat the flyers?


In this way, every action CAN be part of Discipline/anti-flyer defence.




Imri

[ARNWAY]

When someone really wants to confront the "foreign Installation" you can practice this technique and this is from Don Juan himself.




It will put you right in the drivers seat of your true intent.




http//sorcery.yuku.com/topic/544

[Hawkeye Crow]

I'm no expert here , I just go by what I read in the books.




Don't remember this one real well , maybe my bias . Seems like don Juan said something about discipline as an aid to storing power. Or something in that
area.




By the time of "Tales of Power " , don Juan does tell Carlos that Power Plants are injurious to the human body. From experience I can say that they
do drain nourishment. Used to keep plenty of Vitamin C handy.




Ganja is a different issue. I always thought I would use it unto death , but I actually lost interest. The cost , the mindset of a new generation , to which
I cannot relate, the violence associated with smuggling , etc. Something in my Tonal was rearranged , I guess. On a rational level , I do not condemn anyone
who uses substances , as long as they don't hassle me. I support legalization. After all , don Juan said that people love nothing more than to NOT do
what they are told to do.




Man oh man . If I could assimilate all the stuff Carlos wrote about , I could fly like a kite , too!

[ARNWAY]

Sounds like you are not meant to take any substance if you had bad experiences in the past and I would take that as a omen to your path.




Don Juan had Carlos take all sorts of drugs to shake his rational mind from its strong anchor point so Carlos could let go of his description of
reality(rational) in his head to let his assemblage point to move freely otherwise Don Juan said if such an apprentice was not so fixed on the rational mind
they would not have the need to take power plants.




Most people shy away from taking power plants because they are afraid to leave there rational world and this is the result of the foreign installation.




The link that I provided has nothing to do with taking any power plants just acting without thinking.

[ARNWAY]

Just to let you know when I take power plants I become fierce with the best attention and I see and deal energy directly and the I.B. world opens up to me and
when this happens I treat it as a neighbor whether I like them or not I acknowledge there existence and each others energy flows like it does going down a
highway and your path and direction is yours and there direction is there's and learned to do this with harmony with very focused movements of my
assemblage point as if my energy body and dreaming body are one while experiencing new intent that I never knew that existed.




When I shift into that certain assemblage point with or without power plants I remember everything that happened with total memory or assemblage point recall.




I can say that power plants helped me greatly and would not advanced to the level that I have had if it was not for there influence and do not regret at all
taking them and far as being legal goes legitimate shamans are permitted to take them.




"Some people are meant to take them and some are not and I do not condone the use of them."




Wolf can probably add some info on this subject when it comes to native Indians doing peyote in Arizona if it is legally allowed or not?

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