Repost Of Bob May's Post On The ID or Ego.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

"Would any here care to examine the possibility that the "human form" may also be the "foreign installation"?
In psychology it may be the Id or Ego.
In the New Testament Paul says to put off the "Old Man."
In the Qabala there is the Nepesh or animal soul, which also relates to the animals in the ark of Noah.
The animal "faces" can be "seen" superimposed on people's faces when the world is stopped. They are all different and when I first saw them I used the word "stereo-types to describe them. They are all different but there are only a certain number of "types". Or species maybe would be a better word. personality types seem to show up at this level. lesser demons or elementals? Maybe, or just an awareness of what human beings actually are at that animal soul level.
There is a deeper level of the same sort of thing, in my own experience. When confronted with this being I was struck by the overwhelming feeling of pure power. Pure energy. I could read every fleeting thought and feeling that the person had going through their mind. I knew when they were putting on airs for my benefit and when they were putting on airs for there own benefit. In other words I could even See when they were lying to themselves.
The words that they were speaking lost their meaning and turned to nothing but roaring sounds, yet I understood beter than the person what he was saying.
This may have been a major possesion. I don't really know. I only experienced it once. Once was enough.
But the animal faces I believe have something to do with the foriegn installation.
Bob

[Nagual LoneWolf]

"That's the only advantage a warrior has over the average man. The warrior is never disappointed when he fails to change."
Because a warrior knows he is as a river which wears down the stones and cuts deep canyons. His patience is born of the fact that he knows he will never stop seeking the Spirit. He cannot.
At whatever level he has been convinced that there is something more "out there" than what he has experienced. And he may have experienced much or little already.
He only knows that this shadow world in which we live is not all there is. What would be the point of stopping? The effort is the same whether he moves or stays put.
Even a skid-row bum's days are filled with effort. Where will he sleep that night, how will he stay warm?
"All of the rivers run to the seas, yet the seas are not full."
Bob

[Aranno Way]

I often wondered when D.j. referred to the mold of man if and how much of it was the result of the flier or F.E involvement.
Just like everyone has different fingerprints and are different than any other but still we reflect the influence of the flier mind.
D.J. did not elaborate to much on this subject.

[Bob May]

"I often wondered when D.j. referred to the mold of man if and how much of it was the result of the flier or F.E involvement."
I don't think so. I think that the mold of man and the human form are two different things in Don Juan's teachings. I may be wrong on this but here is the way I see it at this point.
The "human form" is something that we lose as we become more aware. Kind of connection to the Tonal side of us that maybe keeps us bound to the same old habit patterns that we are accustomed to.
The "mold of man" is more of a prototype of mankind in general. It sounds a lot like "Adam Kadmon" in the Qabala. A pattern of sorts for the perfect man. The "heavenly man", it is also called.
It follows the same line of thinking as Plato's ideas on "Forms" I believe. which is also Qabala based.
Basically, it is the conclusion of the inductive reasoning that says that there is a "form" on ever more spiritual planes, and up to a perfect "form" for every thing we see manifested on this plane.
Following this line of thinking, the "mold of man" is like a prototype that is "out there" somewhere and that it can be seen and witnessed if you happen to find yourself on that particular plane where it resides.Bob

[seeitall]

"Freedom is our birthright," the nagual continued, "and yet it has to be earned, by polishing our links with our lineage, so that we can embody and evolve its excellent parts. As it is, you're trapped in the fixed assemblage point of the human form: the glossed-over parts of your inheritance."
"Don Juan told me that if we want to get out of this fixation, we have to stop wasting the best energy we have, energy from here," the nagual said, making a sweeping gesture that indicated the area below his navel all the way down to his feet. "The lower disks! We use this energy to hide, to seek comfort, to struggle for power, or to feel
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[seeitall]

Warrior is not disappointed because he's a warrior.

[seeitall]

Quote:Losing the human form is like a spiral. It gives a warrior the freedom to remember himself as straight fields of energy and this in turn makes him even freer.
- Carlos Castaneda

For the seers of don Juan's lineage, the universe is 'alive' - it's a feeling, a vibration, a flux, a flow; it's defined by energy first, matter second; it's a reversing and ever-changing continuum capable of being perceived by loosening the grip of the human form.
For those seers, the human form is only one of a myriad of accessible perceptual currents, in this case the current of 'me' - that assembly of stories and habits that made us the person we believe ourselves to be; that which keeps us locked in a singular, monochromatic view.
For shamans, reaching towards a fuller range of human possibilities lay in a recapitulation or detailed review of the body and being itself - clearing memories and feelings held in our physical tissue and its corresponding energetic filaments.--------------------
Give me Freedom or give me Death

[charlila]

the human form is like a skin, a pill, naturally fixes the shape. DJ's lineage used the extreme method of removing it in order to get rid of foreign installation and all - in the high price of loosing all that connect them to being human, including the natural, biological bonds of love with their loved ones.
they where such acrobats they could do it - jump away of all bonds and land on their feet, no harm.
human mold is what fixed the biotype (is this the right term?)it's not foreign installation - but, as CC mentioned in DJ's name, humans are supposed to be particularly vulnerable, for carrying their luminosity OUT of their luminous egg.
my personal take - fliers are 1 of many parasites who eat luminosity, neither the first nor the worst (ALchevai - the alfa IBs - are).

[seeitall]

Quote:the human form is like a skin, a pill, naturally fixes the shape. DJ's lineage used the extreme method of removing it in order to get rid of foreign installation and all - in the high price of loosing all that connect them to being human, including the natural, biological bonds of love with their loved ones.
they where such acrobats they could do it - jump away of all bonds and land on their feet, no harm.
In a desperate situation you use desperate methods.
I guess there was a price they had to pay to break free.
anyway with mind half of an alien kind , how can you tell what's human and what is not ?
and I like some more info on those ALchevai ???

[charlila]

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