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Hi folks,
I might apologize in the first place, that i dont place my questions under an already existing topic, but i selfishly (sorry for that) dont want my question to get lost somewhere inbetween these numerous topics.
isnt it like, however there is a parasite eating up our energy, that this problem can also be seen like it is, that it is ourself which eats up our energy, because we dont want to change?
we ourselves make ourselves weary and lazy?
the invisible parasite might be a manifestation of our fear?
our fear is pressing ourselves into that little 2-dimensional tight horizon-being-called 'Modern Man'?
i have another question.
what happens after the 'Eagle' has eaten our consciousness?
will we be directly reborn without dwelling for a brief time in something like a paradise?
i am looking forward for your answers
with kindly regards
Syn27
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Syn27,
I agree with you, we are not only our own worst enemies, we are our only enemies. If I take responsibility for my own problems then I empower myself to do something about them. If I put my problems onto some kind of foreign installation then I have given my power away.
I believe that when the Eagle devours our awareness it then shits out the residue to fertilize the next cycle of life.
dreamster
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I used to have a similar viewpoint about our ego being the force we contend with that challenges our spiritual progress towards expansion and liberation. But keen observation of human behavior has lead me to conclude that the FI is the plain, simple, and complete truth.
The good news is that in either case, the tasks to achieve liberation are almost identical.
If we don't have an FI, then why do we act so self destructively? Why, when we are making progress with ourselves do others, often those close to us, step up to the plate and sabotage us with their behavior?
If we do have an FI, then it does not have our best interests in mind and will constantly deceive us into choosing enslaving behavior. When we prevail, the FI in others conspires to put us back in our place.
I don't believe we are at heart so lemming-like. Our loved ones do think they have our best interests in mind, but our deceived into contradictory behavior.
If it was just your ego, things would get progressively better once you set yourself to the task of self improvement. But because it is your FI, the more determined you get, the more you're in for the fight of your life as your resolve threatens your FI's food supply and thus survival.
It is indeed possible to succeed, but you stand much more of a fighting chance if you're armed with awareness of the true nature of the battle with the FI.
The FI still *is* Infinity's gift to us, as an obstacle that helps develop our spiritual strength. But such does not make sense if we only have one life to succeed. I believe our true self has an individuality that survives death. However, if one is totally identified with self-image and body, then what they value as themselves indeed becomes Eagle food to be generically recycled.
In between lives, we simply function in the spiritual realm of second and third attentions, which is more like home. But we soon desire the task of taking on another incarnation and undergoing the tests of the realm of Tonal. Its limitations are what grows and develops us.
Peace,
- Toltechie
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Syn,
Your questions are completely right ones, at least from my point of wiew.
I also wander all the time what in fact are Human parasites, are they attached by us, or we attach them and take their attention.
I think that Universe is full of energies, forces, not all are good for us and not all are bad for us.
We, people are part of this Universe and as its part, we can interract with parasites. They are also part of this Universe, they exist like we do. But they are not all that we can interact to.
There are Guides, Nagual, there are some magnificent forces, freedom is there, power...not only parasites...we choose what to interract to!
What is the purpose of interracting with parasites? Where will that take us?
Are they our weaknessies, or we use them as an excuse for unability of making proper choices for better living.
I think that we are masters of our fates, rulers of our lives.
We can let things to happen, not to fight, let our weaknessies to rule our lives and get drown in fear and boredom.
Or we can live like a warriors, fight against our weakness, parasites...whatever and try not to be depended by it.
But it is our choice!
Eagle is a metaphore for unlimited force, totall awareness that we all long for, even though most of us are not aware of it.
Most of people spend their lives longing for something and not knowing what do they long for.
Being more aware is being more ballanced and closer to the answers and finding our true identity; light identity, energy identity that will make us feel complete.
Our Ego is just a word used to describe our tonal side personality. If person is too Egoistic it spends to much time in Tonal and for Tonal domain. It is a Modern Man as you say.
But we all have another, Spiritual side, its ''Ego'' is intire universe where nothing is more or less important.
People spend to much time talking and it dosn't leave them much time to feel and listen.
I think there is nothing bad in having Tonal Ego, as long as it is ballanced with Spiritual side of us. Tonal is important part of us too.
All the best,
Castor
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Castor,
I agree, I believe we will only feel complete when we rejoin our Source.
Toltechie said: "If we don't have an FI, then why do we act so self destructively? Why,when we are making progress with ourselves do others, often those close to us, step up to the plate and sabotage us with their behavior?"
Other people have egos as well. Even when you think that yours is subdued other peoples' egos can still trigger yours because you haven't gone all the way.
I think you got hurt and discouraged by those close to you and have retreated to a defensive posture and concocted a "Foreign Installation" to give you something to fight so you won't have the responsibility of surrendering you sense of separate self. There is no "I" in team.
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Dreamster,
I agree, I believe we will only feel complete when we rejoin our Source.
Hmmm, I believe we never are really separate from it in the first place.
Other people have egos as well. Even when you think that yours is subdued other peoples' egos can still trigger yours because you haven't gone all the way.
Dont tell me, Dreamster, but honestly ask yourself if you have gone all the way with subduing your own ego. Can you honestly say that you are 100% positive all the time? Do you still harbor separatist emotions, or have you completely transcended all that? Once again, Im not asking you to make any comment here, just do a little self-reflection on your own. If you can honestly claim 100% success, then my hats off to you and keep up the good work. But if you still have negative thoughts, or still harbor feelings of antagonism regarding others, then you still just have a philosophy convenient to your FI, and when you fail it, your FI will make you feel that you just havent gone all the way with it.
I think you got hurt and discouraged by those close to you and have retreated to a defensive posture and concocted a "Foreign Installation" to give you something to fight so you won't have the responsibility of surrendering you sense of separate self. There is no "I" in team.
Glad you can spell He, hewhat a nice story your Foreign Installation has told you ) But it doesnt sound like either you or Castor have been paying very close attention to what I actually say. For the record, I most heartily recommend keeping on as a Warrior and maintaining a constant effort until we succeed in mastering our mind and expanding our identity beyond the limitations of the Tonal.
Sorry, I didnt concoct the notion of the FI. Don Juan gets all the credit for that one. And if you *think* that the idea of the Foreign Installation or Parasite is just an excuse for not taking responsibility, then you either havent read Castanedas Active Side of Infinity or have not considered the information presented therein carefully enough. Thats ok, your FI doesnt want you to pay any attention at all to the idea of its existence. Join the club.
Please also know that I actually share much of both you and Castors commendable philosophy. The error in your thinking is that acknowledgement of the existence of the Foreign Installation contradicts those ideals. The whole point is to have accurate information in order to better succeed and heres to the success of all our efforts!
Respectfully,
- Toltechie
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Dreamster,
"Guess I hit a nerve."
He, he...I didn't say it. That came from your mind
Don't worry about my feelings, Dreamster. Fire away. It's all an opportunity. We are leaving a rich trail of conversation about this topic for fellow travelers to examine. If you dont want to play anymore, thats ok too. The only slight disappointment is the lack of addressing what has actually been said, so"where's the beef?"
- Toltechie
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If we're going to continue this I'm going to have to charge you for therapy.
ps: The last time I had parasites is when I drank the water in Puerto Escocdido.
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Hello Toltechie,
I read closely what you wrote and thank you for writing that. The teacher you have ''J'' seams like a person that knows alot and I like when he said that all in books shouldn't be taken as the only point of wiew.
I'm aware of parasite existing, I read about them, I read the ''Active side of infinity'' and as you I liked most ''The tales of power''
But I don't take it all for granted. Don't know... I have my silly opinion, my point of view and I integrate in it what I find to be good sense for me, what I can feel...
Maybe what I do is egoism, but I don't claim that I'm free of my ego , never claimed that... In fact, it is sometimes too big and too hard to handle and I'm sometimes too weak to battle and to be a warrior.
I can only keep on trying. I don't consider me as a powerfull person, I find my self to be as important as all other things on this planet. I like trees, water, mountains, long walks and I see in them more power and I found more sense in them than in some books written...I like starry nights, looking and observing sky, distant gallaxies, star clusters...
I know that we all have parts of us that are parasitic and that in dimension that is parallel with this one many shadows are and that all interracts. But I think that in Univere all interracts, all can react and give many results and that Universe is full of dimensions and there are many possible solutions, it is on us to choose.
As you said we should work on reducing ego and parasites and on recognizing them inside our selves. I try to, but it is hard sometimes. We all have desires that sometimes turn into selfishness, selfimportance...at least I have them...
We should do more and more on reducing selfishness.
I'm not 100% positive, though I would like to be .
I'm just an entity of this beautifull planet with it's beautiful mountains, woods, streams, rivers and deserts and I find my sense in them. My intention would be to be like other things on this world, like a tree, stable, aware and quiet, balanced... not to make so much mess...
I'm maybe a full that dosn't think too much about things, but prefers to enjoy the moment when the tree is shaking in the afternoon wind, the shadow that leafs create..., some magnificent power of the moment, rocks in the twilight... happines just to live, just to be a part of this world. There is so much beautiness on this Earth, I have never seen something so beautifull...
I truly love, I am in love with one beutifull being; our planet Earth, that is all I am.
Maybe I sound silly, but I mean this from my heart,
Castor
P.S. And I appologize if I make spell mistakes, English is not my native language and spellchecker doesn't work in this moment.
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Castor,
Beautiful thoughts. Truly! From another simple fool and for what it's worth, I think youre 100% on track about reducing selfishness and also your living in the now to lovingly take in the beauty around you. The information in Active Side of Infinity regarding recapitulation would also be helpful.
Peace,
-Toltechie
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Dreamster said: If we're going to continue this I'm going to have to charge you for therapy.
No thanks, I dont pay for it Neither do I chargeso heres a freebee on the Art of Stalking: Your last three posts inform a careful observer of a more interesting story about yourself, than anything of substance regarding me. You would, for instance, prefer to drop the conversation. So have the last word if you want, thats also on me
Peace,
-Toltechie
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You're well versed on The Art of Stalking and I'm well versed on The Art of Me.
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The flyer in people varies. In many it is very strong, in others it can be docile, even peaceful. The balance between the parasite and the human being varies greatly from one person to another.
It has been my finding that flyers do the following:
They communicate with each other telepathically.
They mostly regard us as a cattle.
They feed off us. Stronger ones want more so they use the human to create spikes of energy for their feeding.
This spiking is mainly done by murder, hate, rape, torture,
killing, abusing, fighting, sexual deviant masterbation, etc.
Such activites create energy they can feed on (becoming stronger from it).
Footnote:
They have developed the following habit we do:
Sleeping off the ground-Anybody know why?
If this planet was calm, peaceful, and none of the above ever happened they would die off. Starved if you will.
That is the teaching of Christ and Don Juan..>
Mental Discipline reduces the parasites hold.
Toltechie has looked within and in others and seen it.
Dreamster disagrees. Others are not sure for they listen to their mind instead of stalking their mind.
Its very possible to not have a flyer within. It happens.
Those people may not be able to agree on the concept.
Once one has met his flyer, fought with it and won, it is then they start gaining power and the parasite begins to weaken.
It starts with a mental command:
"I am master of my mind and no other has permission to be here. Leave and never come back!" Or something like that..you must first make that command. Do it daily.
Do it for years and maybe one day you will be free.
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Nagual LoneWolf,
Thanks for great information on the FI!
- Toltechie
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"They have developed the following habit we do:
Sleeping off the ground-Anybody know why?"
Presumably because the ground protects our coats of awareness. Also, a child's "boogey man" under their bed could be the parasite stalking them.
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Everything that exists is an aspect of the One or else is an illusion in the mind of the beholder.
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Sleeping on the earth protects us from the flyer eating our coat of awareness.
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If you believe that this is a predatory universe it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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Dreamster said:
Everything that exists is an aspect of the One or else is an illusion in the mind of the beholder.
Yes, and therefore, every being has a purpose. But poison Ivy may still give you rash, and botulism may still put you in the hospital.
If you believe that this is a predatory universe it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Just because everything is ultimately part of the same Unity doesnt mean you and I dont have purposeful relative existences. There *are* countless predators in the world, of every size shape and speciesin this world and other dimensions.
I like you, Dreamster. So, nothing personal, but Im not going to let your FI keep sniping without being called on its evasive action.
Many of the things said earlier by me and other proponents of the FI reality are actually in harmony with your own comments and dont contradict them one bit. None of your statements however, explain away the existence of the Foreign Installation.
The fact that youre on us like a bulldog, reciting aphorisms that dont really relate to exactly what is being said is a very strong indicator of the presence of your own parasite. It feels so threatened by the proliferation of our viewpoints that it is preventing you from really paying attention to the discussion. It feels the need to try and suppress or reprimand our free discussion of this topic or weave in one contradiction for every comment made about its existence.
I mean very well with regard to you, but the Foreign Installation is not going to shut us up.
Peace,
- Toltechie
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"I mean very well with regard to you, but the Foreign Installation is going to shut us up."
"us"? You mean you and your parasite?
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