question to lone wolf, the F.I

[Guest]

lone why dont we have a forigien installation/flyers forum anymore?
i think it was an important part of this site,
just a thought, dont mind me

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Hi Three Shadows.
The posts contained in that Forum are still present and mainly in the Nagual Forum. I don't want to have too many forums then it becomes more confusing.
I could reinstate it if there is a need. I do agree that the F.I. is a very important topic and should be delved into more deeply by those who ready to attain control
of their bodies and minds. Lone Wolf

[Guest]

just i thought that, many people are aware of them on some level, where as they would quickly dismiss the likes of the nagual. the first time i came here i dismissed the nagual forum as it concerned an aspect of sorcery that i knew nothing about, but the f.i forum was something i could easily relate to.
it realy doesnt matter, i was just curious why u got rid of it.
thanx wolf.

[just B 1]

Thanks, threeshadows for bringing this up to NLW, it is without a doubt an area that i'm interested in and would like to learn more about i'm sure others would agree the value that it serves, i'm glad to see it now has its own area for easier access......
(B)

[Guest]

ty wolf.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

This race was not concieved to feed the parasites of earth but to vanquish them. It is a war. The only war we need to fight!

[Singer]

Hello everyone!
Nagual Lone Wolf,
Recently I was reading a book about awareness in which the author describes flyers as a very harmful type of ally that feeds off our energy. Would you agree with that description?
Thank you!
Singer

[Guest]

they may exist in the same way as the allies do but they are by no means something to trust and cooperate with.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Yes Singer. To say they are an ally would be incorrect because they do have a body and they do not shape-change as many allies are prone to do but in your book to classifly them as harmful would be very correct.
The flyer feeds off our awareness and dominates man's internal dialogue.
They inhabit most of us.

[mamalama]

If flyers don't shape change, and we have no repeating DCs that are threatening, could it be that are we flyer free?

[DoktorGreen]

Only a small handful might be flyer free; those being the long-standing Toltecs of the 3rd Attention. For them, it has been a "battle of the ages' to get to that point.
Dok GreenFor the Standing Mother,
DG

[Guest]

hmm its having the diffrenece between a little worm in ur skull and a giant monster, even if technically they are relentless, dont feed them, and they wont grow big and strong.
right?

[Guest]

u.g. krishnamurti is flyer free; eckhard tolle is basically, too; david hawkins, as well.
i found it interesting that carlos never spoke of his experiences after the foreign installation left. he spoke of the process the day that it happened, as the flyer's mind unraveled itself and left his body, but afterwards, when the world is virtually unknown, as far as I know, was never written about. With the three men mentioned above, their after-effect experiences make for fascinating reads, and also establishes proof of their being flyer free.
It is alos interesting to note the homogeneity of their post-flyer un-installation experiences.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Flyerfree:
Once a person faces their own fi and then begins to see the fi in their friends and relatives they either deny the ideal or they see it.
When they realize the depth of the influence they will say that it is part of men which it isn't.
The FI is a enslaver and it relishes the idea.
The most powerful FI's live short lives thus more prey. Lone Wolf

[Athena]

Why for heavens sake does everyone always have to be so darn vague about everything. It would be a really nice change if warriors would just speak in plain words and say what they mean without messing things up with unecessary "images for the mind" and fancy words and concepts. It is all quite simple so why make it so complicated?
...except whenever I want to say something I always get stuck on the fact that I have no words that exactly describe the core of the thing without going in a round about way. Or perhaps I am just too scared.

[DoktorGreen]

Here is my take on the Foreign Installation. It is the equivalent of a belief system that penetrates, to varying degrees, the awareness of all human beings. In some, it disables their ability to think original thoughts and feel original feelings. In most, it aligns their belief system with the accepted belief systems of the social condition. For some, it manifests as a form, but in all cases, it has the same effect.
In a few, it has no bearing on the development of their personal belief system. These are those who are in training. Some are completely unaware of this training as well as their destiny. When they are able to view their life, they will see the sequence that has differentiated them as Naguals. They understand how the hardships and indifference of the world were actually the catalysts for their emergence.
The flyer is different from the subconscious mind, in that the flyer has a focus on the accumulated beliefs of all the people from the most distant past to the present time. These accumulated beliefs are actually manipulations of the social conditioning, which imprints on the flyer in order to create the boundaries of acceptable beliefs.
This manipulation and the boundaries that are imposed by the social conditioning are so ingrained that almost no one is aware of the control of their beliefs. This is precisely why Naguals have interacted with humans from the very beginning. As truth bearers, they stretch the boundaries of belief. They essentially expand the foreign installation's "perimeter fence" and enable it to encompass a larger portion of reality.
If we were to learn about the fundamental misconceptions our flyer holds, we would not believe them. We would most definitely find those misconceptions in contempt of much that we hold true and reasonable. We would feel fear in the face of truth because it would be clear how we have squandered our true nature in favor of the entrapment of the foreign installation. The flyer is completely and utterly useless. The flyer is the inner dialogue..... the mind.
For the Standing Mother,
DG

[Athena]

Well thank you Doctor, that wasn't so hard now was it.

[Guest]

haha... it wouldnt be as interesting if it wasnt all in riddles athena.. and anyway if it wasnt so vague it might miss some of the meaning.
so doc, if the influence and traists of the fi were compleatly removed do u think we would have permanent silence all of the time?

[DoktorGreen]

3S-
True thought is instantaneous. The rest is the flyer.
For the Standing Mother,
DG

[Guest]

what about pondering?

[Athena]

About riddles and mysterious links...that is nice if you have enough time to spend on them. If you were to die when spring turns to summer I am sure you would not find it as amusing, would you?

[Coyote Cuervo]

I hope you are not quite that angry Athena.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

pondering...sometimes there is no distinction between the two awarenesses 3s.

[DoktorGreen]

Hi 3S-
For me, pondering is resting the attention on a subject and letting the left side bring out some direction on it. This is not the flyer. For some, pondering means to analyze all facets and approaches to a subject. This IS the flyer, and as LW says, is no different.
For the Standing Mother,
DG

[Guest]

sorry athena did i say sometihng to offend? i laugh at alot of things, keeps me sane