Place of no pity

[Mornings Son]

What can you tell me about it?




DJ says that it manifests when Spirit touches you or something like that.


How can one get Spirit to that?


Am I wrong here or is it 'just' a different AP that one could train to get to?




Whats your thoughts and experience on place of no pity?

[Hawkeye Crow]

A quick reply: The place of no pity seems to be an AP shift in the face of threat , where one acts impeccably from the gut , without giving a rat's ass ,
come what may. This CC tale really got my attention. Matus was acting crazy , the cops were looking for him. He just got cold and stepped into it. And
overcame. This is also similar , at least to me , to that primitive action CC was taught in the face of wild predators ; climbing an unknown cliff in the dark
? I am convinced that this was perfectly natural behavior to uncivilized peoples. They did not deal in Semantics , they knew the soil beneath their feet ,
and the nature of predators , being predators themselves. No time to think , only immediate action. No moralities , only survival.






I am more than open to criticism of this. Tell me.

[Mornings Son]

Hi Spareenergy


Thanks for sharing this personal story with us! Beside the miracle of healing have you have become able to us the AP of no pity later on?




Hawkeye Crow


Interesting with the view of the 'primitive' peoples contact with this AP. It makes perfect sense. Mostly all animals feel no pity - dogs seems to
suffer by the dinner table....




Can one some to this point of no pity without a very dramatic challenged in Life?

[spareenergy]

Mornings Son wrote:


have you have become able to us the AP of no pity later on?




I am not very sure,but I'll tell about it anyway.We live on the 4'th floor.My kid was sleeping in the next room in his bed and I was in my room in my
bed. I heard some gun shuts coming from the street.The second I heard it I was on all fours on the floor and in avery fast way I reached his room by swishing
on my hands and knees and I was on him.Later I thought how unexpectedly I had acted, as if I had been trained in army camps before.Being below the window
level I had also secured myself .




I would like to reach the AP of no pity under normal circumstances.It is a position full of power I think.Maybe we should find some ways to make it become
the customary position of the AP.Do you think ,just by thinking about the first event I told , by sort of recalling it fully ,by somewhat reliving it , I can
create that shift again?When I remember the event it is just remembering, it is not reliving it lucidly though.

[Hawkeye Crow]

Interestingly , the only person I know here , where I live , who knows of Castaneda and don Juan is also a cancer survivor. She is also familiar with herbal
healing. She gave me some White Sage so that I could perform a personal blessing. I need to do that again , soon.




What you described sounds a lot like the 'double' , as if you were dreaming and looking at yourself asleep.




Thank you for your honesty. The CC books do claim that severe illness or trauma brings out the other side. My look at it is that being civilized ,
acculturated to an idea , is what destroys our magical side , which you seem to have contacted. We seem to to be so concerned , these days , with our social
status , that we cannot access our 'natural ' status , if that is what I can call it.






I peer through the looking glass , darkly. Castaneda's work has led me to other information concerning the Nations of the New World (Indians) and their
ways of facing life , death and Spirit , all of which agree with much of what CC wrote. I also have some old paperbacks by J Krishnamurti which also
synchronizes with same.






Oh , I'm rambling. I do not say that modern medicine should be totally tossed , but somehow , those things that have been put on the trash heap should be
restored , if any of it is left. I kick myself for not learning more about Natural healing , though I have learned a little of Spirit healing. And , dammit
, getting over self-pity is the roughest road. I struggle with it always.




And this: one thing I have not expressed on the forum before . There are always those stories about someone who is told he has only 6 months to live. He
says to himself , OK , I am free , let me fill these last days with purpose or joy , rather than sorrow. At the edge of my thoughts , this seems to be part of
what don Juan was teaching ; to cast one's fate to the wind , impeccably , not foolishly.




Again , this is just me , so please do not be offended if I overstep.

[Mornings Son]

Spareenergy:



Do you think ,just by thinking about the first event I told , by sort of recalling it fully ,by somewhat reliving it , I can create that shift again?When I
remember the event it is just remembering, it is not reliving it lucidly though.
I don't KNOW, but I think that's is possible to shift to that AP again. Maybe there are some here that know how to that move of AP. Maybe
it's just a matter of Intent and personal Power?

[Mornings Son]

Hawkeye Crow:


Love your rambling. Thanks.




Reading it I come to think about how awareness of death brings awakening and power through a shift of AP.




You are not alone with the self pity issue... Reflecting these days over the fact that by going through pain or cutting desire/comfort is a offering to Spirit
and gives Power. There is often much satisfaction after overcome myself and done whatever, but somehow I forget this just before I need to go into action.

[Hawkeye Crow]

Thanks , Mornings Son. Also , over the day , I recalled that what spareenergy spoke of is described by CC in several other incidents. Do you know of the
story where Julian threw don Juan into a raging river? When DJ thought he was about to drown , DJ saw himself onshore , running to safety. Another example of
the double . My experience of this is rare , and long past. I just thought I had become invisible when it happened. Apparently I had shifted AP to another
location?






My expertise here is that I have read all 10 books 5 times in 18 months. Talk about obsession! I just had to know what CC was talking about ; I covet
sorcery! I watch for omens.




As to the question from spareenergy : the only control we have , as my tagline states , as to these happenings , is to make oneself available , to have a
sharp 'ear' to the voice of Spirit , Mystery , and excel in Quiet Mind. This is curious. The idea that one is not to focus , as in prayer , but to
wait for a voice , a fulfilment. At least , that's how I read it.

[seeitall]

spareenergy wrote:


Mornings Son wrote:


have you have become able to us the AP of no pity later on?




I am not very sure,but I'll tell about it anyway.We live on the 4'th floor.My kid was sleeping in the next room in his bed and I was in my room in
my bed. I heard some gun shuts coming from the street.The second I heard it I was on all fours on the floor and in avery fast way I reached his room by
swishing on my hands and knees and I was on him.Later I thought how unexpectedly I had acted, as if I had been trained in army camps before.Being below the
window level I had also secured myself .




I would like to reach the AP of no pity under normal circumstances.It is a position full of power I think.Maybe we should find some ways to make it become
the customary position of the AP.Do you think ,just by thinking about the first event I told , by sort of recalling it fully ,by somewhat reliving it , I
can create that shift again?When I remember the event it is just remembering, it is not reliving it lucidly though.

I believe you can use your eyes to find the AP position again. it's described in the Power of silence.

[spareenergy]

Hawkeye Crow wrote:

I watch for omens.




As to the question from spareenergy : the only control we have , as my tagline states , as to these happenings , is to make oneself available , to have a
sharp 'ear' to the voice of Spirit , Mystery , and excel in Quiet Mind. This is curious. The idea that one is not to focus , as in prayer , but to
wait for a voice , a fulfilment. At least , that's how I read it.




Yes Hawkeye,the Spirit talks , in whatever way it chooses to .The Spirit answers questions , if they are not questions of the ego.You don't even have to
put your questions into words.The other prerequisite for the question to be acknowledged by the Spirit is "me being dying to know " I mean to be
really , really curious.This is the deduction I can make after my experiences regarding the questions I ask.


Sometimes I get warnings too,without having asked anything,when I am totaly unaware of the dangers to come.BUt I am not sure whether it is the Spirit or my
double warning me.Because these warnings were like seeing; not concrete omens like I get when I ask questions.


Both types don't happen often, so it is not easy to make deductions that I can be sure about.

[spareenergy]

seeitall wrote:

I believe you can use your eyes to find the AP position again. it's described in the Power of silence.






It is time to read the book again.

[spareenergy]

Hawkeye Crow wrote:



What you described sounds a lot like the 'double' , as if you were dreaming and looking at yourself asleep.




No Hawkeye,I was not dreaming and seeing myself asleep.I was awake and the doc and me talked about the phone call we had made ,on the later days.




I saw my sleeping body in dreaming a few years ago.But I am not sure if it really was my sleeping body or if I was just dreaming myself. What creates this
confusion is this: There was a baby in my arms in the dream next to my sleeping body..Actually I was not sleeping with a baby, so I sort of leaned closer or
moved closer (I can't remember which I did)to see it clearly because it was dark.It looked like a plastic baby doll. And I had not gone to bed with a
plastic doll either.The dream ended there.It was so short.

[Hawkeye Crow]

Well , I have no knowledge here . You are correct about the eyes . I don't know how that is done. There are other forms of seeing a double self ,
according to CC ; traumas and surprises , emotional shocks. For me , things just happen , apparently when I am in silent mind or joyous. I am still
enraptured that seven hawks came to me , flying in a circle about 50 feet overhead of me. Not being an adept , these things are sporadic. You too , maybe?

[Mornings Son]

I have the feeling the teaching of the place of no pity has that purpose to an the AP to the inventory of the Warrior.


In time of trouble on then can shift to that AP with ease.


Maybe also there is a point in breaking free from the internal dialog and act swiftly in accordance with Nagual?




Somehow this poem comes up in my mind




I never saw a wild thing


sorry for itself.


A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough


without ever having felt sorry for itself.




D. H. Lawrence




No pity... well mostly self pity here

[ARNWAY]

Mornings Son I'm sorry not to reply sooner about your question.--------------------------------------------------------What can you tell me about it?




DJ says that it manifests when Spirit touches you or something like that.


How can one get Spirit to that?


Am I wrong here or is it 'just' a different AP that one could train to get to?




Whats your thoughts and experience on place of no pity? -----------------------------------------------------------------




Actually its very simple but you must apply stalking methods to have it effective warrior style. I know what D.J. was talking about when it comes to the
"place of no pity" but it has to be incorporated in your actions to get any benefits from it.




The principles of the place of no pity can be put in a nut shell and it is really as simple as this. -----When someone acts with or from self pity either from
yourself or from others it is from the foreign installion or to simplify it even more if the F.I. was not present there would be "no place for pity".




To engage the the acts of pity would be the result of the foreign installation and when you realize this to the point to you can recognize this just a little
bit here and there you will start to recognize this with greater ease when someone allows there attention to open up on such an act of deceptive energy.




Look at things different without judgement (sympathy,emotion or kneejerk reaction) and you or your body will see things as they really are while also finding
yourself making excusses to promote pity to yourself.




Any such act will only cement your attention more firmly into the Shadow attention mindset.




To stalk out such behavior in yourself while not being effected by others will set your spirit and mind free or make it manageable or untangeled by unnecessary
elements that muddle and distort our precious attention that we must defend as if our life depends on it-----Our true perception does not depend on it------.


It is our "GOD" giving right to percieve the world without forces that took us hostage.




To slowly and eventually percieve the world as energy as it really is takes time but you have my word as your warrior brother that it can and has been
percieved by me. I have a long way to go but I learned to see the world as it really is and will not stop by the forces that entrap our attention.




M.S. I can attest to all that I mentioned personally as what I have percieved and not just read about in books or heard about.




Let me know of your progress.




Morning Son my spirit will always be behind you.


Take care and farewell my friend.




ARNWAY.

[Hawkeye Crow]

Lovely selection , spareenergy. I should learn more of Lawrence. So much to see , so little time.






One thing I can say is that the Place of no pity is just one of many APs. There are some subtleties here.

[spareenergy]

Hawkeye Crow wrote:

Lovely selection , spareenergy. I should learn more of Lawrence.


It is MorningSon's beautiful selection Hawkeye. Thank you Morning Son.

[spareenergy]

ARNWAY wrote:



To slowly and eventually percieve the world as energy as it really is takes time but you have my word as your warrior brother that it can and has been
percieved by me. I have a long way to go but I learned to see the world as it really is and will not stop by the forces that entrap our attention.






Thank you Arnway.Where can we read more of your experience of percieving the world as it really is,did you post it before,or will you post it in more detail?

[spareenergy]

Mornings Son wrote:

Maybe also there is a point in breaking free from the internal dialog and act swiftly in accordance with Nagual?




When physically fighting for your life this happens.If things get real serious and you are aware that itis a fight for life , the int .dia . stops right at
the moment you sense or understand or see that you might be killed. About 10 years ago at about 23.00 at night I was attacked by a stranger at the entrance
of the building I live.He was taller,younger,stronger.We struggled for 2 minutes maybe,I managed to keep my ground ,we were talking during this time,Iwas
whispering as if I was afraid that my father and brothers would hear and would be angry even at me,this whispering I did deliberately to fool him.Actually
there were no father or brothers of mine living there.Then I lost the ground I was standing on because he grabbed me by the belly and easily pulled me up the
4 steps up that was in front of the elevateor.At the moment we were in front of the elevator my int. dia. stopped and I was not thinking with words anymore
but with images I saw.I saw that we were in the elevator and he was strangling me by the neck.It was like seeing a few minutes away,beforehand.Still with the
internal dialogue stopped I shouted the the word one shouts when calling out for help in my language at the top of my voice.My voice sounded like someone
elses voice,not a voice sounding beatiful to the ear,it was like the voice of a savage woman living in caves;


it was not the word that I shouted that I heard,what came out of my mouth was a meaningless word, made out of some sylables I cant remember now,and it did
not sound like a begging or crying for help,it was rather the last attack one does before dying.It was so unexpected for him I guess because all the time I
was whispering and suddenly I shouted.He made 3 very big steps ,opened his legs to their utmost possible and ran away like hell.Then I returned to normal.The
stopping of the int. dia. lasted only moments and I did not see energy .

[ARNWAY]

Spareenergy yes I talked about it in great detail.


-------------------------------------------------Thank you Arnway.Where can we read more of your experience of perceiving the world as it really is,did you
post it before,or will you post it in more detail? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Spareenergy you can start by dreaming as an exercise to not only dream as we should but you will see that it will help you see things clearly in your normal
awareness.




You must have strong intent to puncture though the veil or wall that holds our attention.

[ARNWAY]

Spareenergy yes I talked about it in great detail.


-------------------------------------------------Thank you Arnway.Where can we read more of your experience of perceiving the world as it really is,did you
post it before,or will you post it in more detail? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Spareenergy you can start by dreaming as an exercise to not only dream as we should but you will see that it will help you see things clearly in your normal
awareness.




You must have strong intent to puncture though the veil or wall that holds our attention.

[rosygyro]

Theun mares... describes the "point of no-pity" as being a total identification with your oponant!

[rosygyro]

could the point of no pity be used sexually?

afterall total identification in battle is one thing!

But sex is so much more fun!

What do you reckon... Tantricshapeshifting.. or ultraviolence?

[rosygyro]

then again tantra requires a partner..

and this is just a plastic computer..

and all i communicate with is plastic and glass.

and a majority of men thousands of miles away!

Ultra-violence.. is absurd.. in resonance with reflection..

but i cannot help feeling a little crushed by the oppressive need of others to ensure my failure!



"it is not enough that i succeed , everyone else must fail"

"once a challenge is completed.. you are free from it forever as new challenges take its place"

I have made my sacred pledge and stuck beyond its outlines.....

now i make a second!

" i will not be affected by anothers awareness.. without striking the same notes of self respect i myself have fullfilled"

in otherwords...

ask me a question and i will tell you no lies... it is up to you to listen!

call me something i am not, or lie about me to me, and i will tell you the truth you CANNOT REFUTE!



its my chagrain because it means i always get into arguments.,.. becasue people know they are deaf and would rather i turn it into a tibetan copne and ram it down their earhole.. before they even comprehend!

S.H.A.P.E.S.H.I.F.T.E.R.

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