Astrology (Mayan, Western, Verdic, Chinese..)

[Nu Lang]

a link to western astrology http://www.astrology-online.com/persn.htm

[Nu Lang]

He's baaaaack.

Gary Oldman that is. I felt it was due to the blue monkey wavespell. He was on my mind when I posted Beethoven songs, as he played Beethoven in Immortal Beloved. Then we started watching the Harry Potter movies and I see him there, though he has brief parts. I remember him most from Dracula, as Dracula, the best of all who played him, I think. Also just read he's going to be in Deathly Hollow's part 2. I thought Oldman might be the Blue Monkey since he has appeared so much lately. Turns out he's the White Wind. Bram Stoker, however, the one who wrote Dracula, is guided by the Blue Monkey...magic.

[Nu Lang]

Two more days and we will begin the Yellow Seed wavespell. Yellow Seed targets. A good time for focus.



Still enjoying the magic monkey though. Here is today, White Crystal Wind:



Day 12 (May 15): How can I utilize my relationships to explore and expand any of my self-limiting constructs? ...and how do I Inspire Co-operation?



White Wind Qualities: Spirit, breath, wind, presence, truth, communication, inspiration, non-tangible, idealistic, simplicity, integration of polarities, unseen forces, co-creator of reality.



White Wind is the galactic wind, the catalyzing current, the Spirit that moves through all things. It is the divine breath that gives life to all creation, the unseen essence of solar energy. White Wind is the breath of inspiration, the fertilizing force of the wind. Its essence is the movement of Spirit as it penetrates into form to enliven, purify and inspire.



Allow your life to be more like the wind, free-flowing and open to Spirit.



White Wind represents spontaneity and simplicity. As you experience the truth of the present moment, White Wind leaves you free to move on to the next moment without the baggage of desire, regret or expectation. White Wind is the simple knowledge that invisible forces are always moving in your life, guiding and inspiring.



White Wind also embodies the concept of presence. Presence is an expression of beingness, a creator of intimacy. It has to do with being wise in your simplicity. From simple beingness, your true identity emerges. Presence is being open, aware, and in the now. Presence is 'being there' for whatever is.



Think back to a time when someone looked deeply into your eyes, acknowledging your beingness with their full presence. Remember how wonderful and intimate that felt. When you wnat to be intimate with someone, become equally open, aware, and present. When you bring your awareness into the present moment, everything else falls away. When you are fully present, your mind is not preparing responses to what it is hearing while you're listening and feeling. Drop your evaluating and reactive nature. Trust that your heart will have the appropriate response when the time comes. Allow your mind to be quietly responsive, like a pool of water, natural in its unconditional acceptance of the moment.



Presence is simple. It is like being caught in the moment by the beauty of nature. Presence is your natural state of being. When you are present, your heart feels open, charged, full. When you are present, whether alone or with another, you are loose and relaxed. Time may seem to slow down. You can expand your awareness with ease, allowing yourself to truly see and be seen. You let your feelings speak through your eyes, and the 'feeling channel' in you breathes freely, without expectation or judgement.
Your
Tone is Tone 12 - Crystal
Stability in expansion, greater constellation, union
of polarity, framework of connectedness.



Twelve is the ray of Complex Stability, the foundation of self
and the foundation of essence in union with the mystical truth of polarity.
All things are interwoven in the dance of yin and yang. All parts make
up a greater whole. Draw on the wisdom, strength, and stability you
derive as a member of the greater coucil. No matter what your experience,
there is a complex stability in the larger pattern that invites you
to feel stable as you expand and evolve. Living in a world of polarities,
yet knowing that all parts are one in the unified whole, creates the
underlying framework of connectedness. The hologram of polarity is simply
the structure, the loom upon which worlds and realities are woven.



Stability is a matter of perception. Find where you can openly flow
and expand in the midst of seeming complexity. Utilize the relationships
created by polarity to explore and expand any self-limiting construct.
Open your perceptions. Through you, the mysterious balance of the cosmos
is fulfilled.

[Nu Lang]

Ready for a new wavespell?



Yellow Seed Wavespell



Day 1 (May 17th): How do I call forth the resonance of my true vibration?



Yellow Seed Qualities: Seed, self-germination, creation, flowering, power of growth, seeding manifestation, fertile ground, gestation, opening, erupting possibilities, awareness.



Yellow Seed is the ordered pattern of growth. You and your life are the fertile soil, and the mystery blooms within you through the power of your intention or seed thoughts. Just as a seed contains the hologram of its completion, the process of manifestation follows a natural order. In this gestation process, your intention is quickened by Spirit. The charged seed, your true desire or vision, becomes the focus for germination.



What can you open that will support receptivity and assist the germination of your seed intentions? Envision the seed receiving the invitation to grow in the openness of your world. Viscerally feel the possibility of your heart's dream emerging. Your true desires and dreams contain an innate intelligence that can break through even the rigidity of fixed expectations. Planting a new seed, even in the hard soil of old belief systems, can bring unexpected magic and growth.



Be willing to break open the constraining shells of past patterns, the shackles of belief structures. Call forth your creative involvement with life. This involvement frees and awakens the powerful energy of the life force, shifting your perceptions and experience, catalyzing the manifestation of your dreams. Participate spontaneously in your growth, unrestricted by the illusion of old structures that once provided safety. Move forward into the light of new possibilities.



Tropism is the tendency to respond or move toward something by natural attraction. Through a code inherent within, a sprouted seed grows toward the light and a sunflower follows the Sun. In like manner, you respond to the light of your Essence Self, opening naturally to the fulfillment of your true nature. Through your own process of living and learning, you generate and plant various intentions and desires. As your natural growth pattern is catalyzed and awakened, your truth germinates in wisdom, emerging into the light in which all seeds flourish. Thus, as you plant your own truth, more truth comes to light. In this way, you create ever more fertile ground in which to explore and express all that you are.
http://www.astrodreamadvisor.com/Wave_Yellow_Seed.html

[Nu Lang]

Today is the Blue Self-existing Hand. Its interesting synchronicity, as I posted today also about a not-doing, which is simple...you blindfold yourself or close your eyes and see how long you can go not seeing as you normally would. Try performing chores this way. One thing I observed is that your hands thus become your new eyes, and touch becomes your new seeing. So it changes your ordinary perception of things.



Anyway, posting about the blue hand is indicated...
Day 4 (May 20): What form will my spiritual journey take?




Blue Hand Qualities: completion, gateway, opening, beauty, spiritual
tools, divination, identification, acting 'as if', dance, mudra,
priest/priestess.



Blue Hand is a gateway, an opening, a portal from one understanding
to another. A clue to the meaning of Blue Hand is found in the meditation,
"I am, by thinly veiled design, the threshold to other dimensions.
In my ending is my beginning. The initatory gateway awaits."
Blue Hand is the seventh or last archetype in the cycle of development
of primary being. It represents the power found in completion. Blue
Hand is seen as a closure, which is really an opening to another
level of being.



Like the fluidity of moving water, Blue Hand is associated with
the process of dance, mudra, and beauty. This movement is a metaphor
for the ebb and flow of life.



Blue Hand represents the 'beauty way', the ability to see intrinsic
beauty within yourself and in all things. Living the beauty way
requires being in your full beauty and power. From this place, your
self-authority naturally flows. This is the position where your
ego is aligned with divine will. When you are standing in your full
beauty and power, your very presence invites others to be all that
they are.



The energy of Blue Hand will also help you to manifest spiritual
skills - especially those intuitive gifts such as oracular divination.
In each incarnation, you bring certain gifts. Each path - from priest
and priestess to shaman and dancer to artist and gardener - carries
varied tools and skills. You have chosen certain gifts and tools
that offer you a way to interact with others and your life process.
This may be as simple as calling on your innate wisdom and insight
in order to see clearly the gifts and tools that you carry.

[Guest]

I have been into the art of Mayan timekeeping for several years now, and for quite some time I read the oracle at dreamspell daily and just like they advised would probably happen, my life shifted its rhythm's focus from the current unnatural flow of the western chronograph system (of, what is it, 12:60?) to the more natural wave spell rhythm...since then I haven't felt a need to avoid western time keeping because it lost its hold on my mind through my practicing that, and my body naturally followed...I do  not think it could reclaim its former hold because I never liked keeping time, anyway. I have not worn a watch for over 10 years...I doubt I'll ever wear one again. I don't have many appts these days but I make them on time if they are for my mom and my usual 5 minutes late if they are my own. Same as before...same as it ever was...except freer.
I am a Red Spectral Skywalker...I was born 10/8/1968.
WOW I just read what you posted about the blue hand, Nu....
"acting 'as if'  "
!!!
That's cool synchronicity.

[Nu Lang]

Oh I love the skywalker...my sister is that. She is also a Libra too. I am a spectral like you...mine is the white wind. Its nice to have another spectral here. We are like sand formations on the ocean shoreline. A good symbol for us is the phoenix bird.

[Guest]

Yes!
I resonate with the Phoenix and so do a few who are around me, in spirit but not necessarily in a physical sense.
The main message I get about myself as a warrior is 'liberator."
And the color red because my moon is in Taurus with Scorpio rising.
Those two over-rode the blues and aquas of my wanna-be-Libra-dominant.
I suspect much more Taurus; because of being nocturnal, perhaps. But I'm not suspicious (of the individual) like a Scorpio might be. I do question all standard-accepted authority; because it IS so established, it must be slavery. So far, I have indeed found only slavery, in varying degrees.
That's where the Libra part comes in.
In the Chinese, I am an Earth Monkey.
I like that.  Do you know much about Eastern Astrology? I'm only a well-read novice but I think that all Astrology systems are accurate descriptions of the interactions of man with timespace...creating a unique fingerprint shared by no one else.
And the secret is...you probably already know this...but it is not that the planets and the cosmos meanly affect man, a helpless victim of the powers-that-be, but that the mind of man influences the creation of our material environment which includes, certainly our family of planets and star systems whose light we are able to see. It is an interaction, to be sure, but I feel that it could only be initiated by man...or whatever it is that is in man...awareness, I guess it would be. Only that so few have been aware...but things are changing, I think. People are waking up to the dream...they don't conceive of it as a dream but they are realizing things aren't as they appear.
Spirit rules matter and spirit lives in all of us.

[Nu Lang]

Yes I saw you were monkey 1968 I don't know much abotu eastern astrology but I gather more then average, like I know abotu the elements and such. When we are born, the time, also puts various signs in our chart just like in western astrology. In eastern its abotu balance...no surprise as Asians love that...feng shui, yin/yang.



Yes, I agree that all astrology is there for a reason. If taken lightly, we can get insight from it. Its only when one becomes ruled by it that they limit themselves. It just another facet of our being here which in itself is a mystery.



I am a Taurus and love the color red...I noted your avatar. I'm Gemini rising and moon in Capricorn. A difficult moon to have, but my gemini doesn't give a fig about it.
And the secret is...you probably already know this...but it is not that
the planets and the cosmos meanly affect man, a helpless victim of the
powers-that-be, but that the mind of man influences the creation of our
material environment which includes, certainly our family of planets and
star systems whose light we are able to see. It is an interaction, to
be sure, but I feel that it could only be initiated by man...or whatever
it is that is in man...awareness, I guess it would be. Only that so few
have been aware...but things are changing, I think. People are waking
up to the dream...they don't conceive of it as a dream but they are
realizing things aren't as they appear.
Spirit rules matter and spirit lives in all of us.
Very interesting statements...of which I agree. Right now Bel...the Chinese are setting off a mass of fireworks out my window..Spirits indication it agrees with us *big smile*

[Nu Lang]

Oh and lets not forget...July 6, 1990, began the Age of Aquarius.



I remember that song when I was a kid. I thought the age had already dawned, then one day it was announced and I was like "oh, NOW it's the age, cool."



The 5th dimension wrote that song...cool name, huh 5th dimension. My favorite part of the song:



Harmony and understanding

Sympathy and trust abounding

No more falsehoods or derisions

Golden living dreams of visions

Mystic crystal revelation

And the mind's true liberation

Aquarius! Aquarius!

[Guest]

Another super-resonator for me!
I once saw three visions, one at a time in the same stretch of a few hours...in an antique crystal ball belonging to an acquaintance...and one of the visions showed a photograph, in which there was a little boy standing in front of a Christmas tree, circa the early 1970's. He was about 8 or maybe even 10 years old, dressed in a cowboy outfit.
Later on, a few years later but not more than five, one Halloween, Samhain, I was in an anticipatory mood and ended up staying up all night and the TV was on...first Animal Planet and then (and I don't recall how this happened because it is out of character at my pad) the 700 Club, on the GOD channel or another such...there was a layer of veil that was removed that night, all in the space of the hours between dusk and dawn...it was pretty quick and it was great! I suddenly "heard" that which dwells just beyond the clouds...my ears were opened and my eyes were brightened and I heard things in the ordinary with my secondary ears!
So, on the 700 Club they had this piece about a "fortune teller" or something like that, I forget what they called her, but anyway the tagline was something about she could tell the future but couldn't see her own. And they called her the Queen of Hearts. They showed a few photographs meant to portray her life as a real life, which in one way or another it no doubt was/is "real" but that's beside the point. One of the photographs was the VERY SAME photo I'd seen in the crystal ball, except for that now there was a little girl of the same age and size standing next to the boy, dark and beautiful and looking every bit the junior witch and family enchantress. And there was a couch to her right, upon which a lady sat...Mother!
It was surreal! I know my mouth had to have dropped open and my eyes were as big as saucers! I just stared at that picture on TV for the few moments it was there...and things were never the same again. That's not the only time things were never the same again, but it is one of the biggies.
I know that was the same picture because I have a photographic memory as well as the fact that those crystal visions were burned into my mind...and still are. All of them have resonated in my life, more than once and in such a perfectly fitted fashion.
They were visions and not hallucinations and they did not come out of the fog. They came from the light.
It sounds crazy, all this I'm sharing, but it seems that I should. There is a lot of stuff in rock and roll songs, poetry, lyrics, that I more than resonate with but almost share a certain band of vibrations. I'm sure that the same applies to everyone, with their own unique combination of symbols and themes and lyrics found thereof...many know but many more do not yet know...and yet how many really think about it as something indicative of the all-pervasiveness of the life Force?
I see these commonalities as proof that intent is the power-that-is. The only power! The soul's natural intent, all too often clouded by other things more habitual, is love...and love is the power of powers.
It's kind of like a fail-safe, at least to me that's how it seems to fit into it all...we cannot fail or lose in this shared dream...we can only dream on.

[Nu Lang]

Bel, very fascinating. There is something to your visions for me and I felt the excitement and wonder reading it. I am going to reread it again and possibly comment on it next time I'm online. Right now my cat is having a fit becasue I have been on the computer so long and he doesn't like it, but I keep reading your posts and then having something to respond so it feels like a post marathon for me today, lol, but I mean that in a good way...your input gives me so much to say back. But I best get off for now and tend to my kitty. He's older and he makes himself sick when he gets so upset. So...more soon. Thanks for sharing these, very magical and full of child-like wonder, will take their resonance with me as I go through my day .

[Nu Lang]

Yes this really resonated with me.



Yesterday I was on our elevator, ascending to the 22 floor. I closed my eyes and a new vision presented. It was of a sunny building, walled of glass so lots of light got in. It was like a long hallway that ran along the side of the building. It was a business building. I opened my eyes... then closed them again, the building was still there. I did not even have to fight to maintain the visual of it.

[Guest]

Poor kitty!
I have two dogs and a cat, myself...all of them very unique and sometimes demanding...some more than others...the little dog is spoiled on purpose so that doesn't count...I got her for the purpose of being the object of all my surplus love and affection...so she's spoiled rotten!
I think it is so cool that my vision resonates with you...and yours resonates with me...that sunny building...it formed an image in my mind's eye as I read....and image of a place I've often visited...maybe even part of a dwelling of some sort for an aspect of that which I call "me."
I dunno...it was very instantly more than familiar...my glass tower!
Strong glass tower...transparent yet implacable and indestructible...resilient yet full of safe haven comfort...I'm not one to throw stones, never have been...must be because of living in a glass house!
LOL
I will tell you about the other two scenes I saw in the crystal that day...one at a time, to see what you get from them! Plus it is nice to share these things that most people don't really want to hear about...not for any other reason than the magic of such things is way out of their sights and more confusing than gratifying for the unaware mind.
I personally thrive on the idea of the unexpected and seemingly impossible COULD...and actually HAS...happened at any given moment...anywhere!
I like it when I'm not alone...my companion, whomever it might be, has, so far, always been affected profoundly in such cases that a so-called "miracle" takes place in the first attention...right before our eyes!...without a shred of wavering or fogginess...I love it!
But some things, too, like with the photograph on Halloween...that could only be experienced solo since I'm the only one who knows what that photograph looked like! And would remember, too, I bet.
Anyway...I have some things to catch up on and a new thing I'm writing to share with you all...but I'll share another crystal vision with you at the earliest opportunity!

[Nu Lang]

New one...


Red Earth Wavespell



Day 1 (May 30th): How do I call forth the resonance of my true vibration?



Red Earth qualities: Grounding force, synergy, centeredness, wholeness, synchronicity, galactic alignment, Earth Force, fluid world resonance, clue tracking, crystal healing, shield.



Red Earth is the access point to your natural alignment with Earth force. It is the unis mundi, the point of perfect centeredness in the eternal present from which all alignment and magic manifest. Your center, the Earth center, is the secret of gravity's magnetizing force. Red Earth is the channel of harmonic synchronization that is aligned with the galactic heart. From the center point within self, you align with this galactic center and connect through your own crystalline structure to the larger crystal grid network. To keep this channel of synchronization open, connect to the elemental energies of earth, air, fire and water, and the seven directional guardians.



Center yourself in the present moment! This is where you can most beneficially observe the synchronicities and revelations about your personal pattern and larger purpose. From here your mind can learn to be keenly observant, allowing the larger pattern to take shape as naturally as the small brushstrokes that eventually complete a beautiful painting.



Sit in simple relationship to the Earth, like a poet enraptured in a forest. Be rooted where you are now. Out of synergistic centeredness, you will receive your greatest desires and open to the full flowering of the mystic power of the universe. This synchronization can be seen as the alignment of your personal myth with the greater myth of our times. Myth is the framework or "story" in which the truth of the cosmos is revealed in symbolic form. Utilize it to catalyze your unfolding alignment.



By accepting your physical form and your growth process in this world, you access the hub of centeredness out of which all the truth and magic of the universe unfold.
http://www.astrodreamadvisor.com/Wave_Red_Earth.html

[Nu Lang]

I noticed a couple of places in the forum is discussed Total Freedom, a term we are, most of us, familiar with, but just that its come up more so recently.



Then today is Blue Electric Storm, interesting, storm here last night and moreso night before, electrical. Today I was reading this about this daykeeper and it seemed apropos to the recent mentionings on freedom:


The harmonic wisdom embodied in Cauac (Blue Storm) is freedom, which can be defined as the state of being unconstrained by fate, karma, necessity, or circumstances in one's choices or actions. Freedom is an open reality wherein you know that you are at choice every moment. This state of being originates from an innate perception of reality. It is the understanding that you are an 'actor', free to play any part at any moment without being attached to it. You work with your life's 'scripts', your attachments and perceptions, in order to free them. From this perspective comes the fullest freedom: learning to live in natural harmony and union with divine will.

[Nu Lang]

Western Astrology has whats called moon nodes. You find them by creating (mapping) your birthchart according to birthdate/time/ location. Its easy to do and I will link a site for anyone interested, though there are many sites to do this. The old days used to be a bit harder...now you just put in the info in 1 minute its all there for you.
BIRTH CHART CALCULATOR http://astrology.about.com/library/bl_f ... ochart.htm



There are north and south nodes (alwasy direct opposites on chart) and thus each falls in a specific house...both the sign and house the nodes are in indicate the relevances. Here's what one site says about nodes:


If i had to give up everything in a chart, and could only look at one thing, I would keep the Moon's North and South Nodes. They are usually, but not always, the most accurate indication of someone's life purpose, of all the placements in the western birth chart.



The Moon's Nodes are always 180 degrees opposite one another. The South Node is the symbol of our past. It represents where we are already gifted, comfortable, and attached. Moving out of this place can be the work of a lifetime, because everything in us just wants to stay where we are comfortable, and hope that we could do so for a whole lifetime. But, alas, we are here to grow into uncharted territory of self-exploration. The North Node points us in the direction of what would be scary, difficult, and yet utterly exhilarating for us to achieve. Knowing about our North Node, so that we can continually notice our resistance to fulfilling it, is one of the most invaluable pieces of self-knowledge that astrology can give us. When we look back over our lives, if we have not fulfilled our North Node, we will probably look at our lives with some disappointment. It's as if one who has fulfilled his/her North Node could probably die in peace.



One can usually notice the universe pushing one towards their North Node. Usually, when one gets too lazy and comfortable in their South Node territory, that territory starts to become really uncomfortable--like the universe whipping the mule (that's you and me!) from behind. And, when one is actually moving in the direction of their North Node, positive things occur to encourage us to keep moving in that direction--like the universe dangling, and granting a bite of, a carrot in front of the mule.



The qualities of the South Node are actual, inherent personal characteristics, and are quite strong. These are qualities that we are already gifted with from day one. So the sign, for example, of one's South Node can be considered a major personal placement, though the qualities are general rather than specific, because they can be said to be leftover energies from our past. http://astrologyforthesoul.com/monnodz.htmlA link to description of houses (are used to give further reading on the nodes) http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houses.htm
A link to positive qualities of signs (general overview)http://astrologyforthesoul.com/astrologyproblems.html
Obviously of all the information on Astrology, sign are there most talked about and each person will depict the signs differently, to me its just getting a basic understanding and also using your own intuition/sensations in how it applies when deciphering symbolic communications.
To me it applies (currently) because a Chinese person here wants her western horoscope read and I told her I could do it for her, as a casual thing. She seemed excited. The task lead me to north and south nodes, and so because of her and the result, its currently relevant. I though those reading this thread may be interested to find what their nodes are if you don't know already. Everyone knows the sun sign, many know their moon and rising. Knowing your planets and nodes.. obviously you are into astrology enough to have located that info as its not readily available without a chart. In the past it was not so easy to do a chart...it took books, farmers almanacs and math ability. Now its just ever so easy.
And kids today think they have it rough
NOTE: Once you know your either north or south node, then the sign/house opposite is the other one. For example, if you north node is Taurus/4th house, your south is Scorpio/10th

[Nu Lang]

We Begin white dog wavespell...



wuf!

White Dog Wavespell



Day 1 (June 12th): How do I call forth
the resonance of my true vibration?



White Dog Qualities: companions of destiny, heart, love, service,
loyalty, spiritual strength, guardians and guides, breakthrough,
emotional body issues, ego, recasting the past, new beginnings.



Recognize your Companions of Destiny! One of the gifts of White
Dog is the calling in and recognition of other companions of destiny.
Other beings with the same longing are waiting to meet and acknowledge
you - beings who can see you as you authrentically are. When you
have truly been seen, you feel empowered, and remembrance of a shared
sacred trust is ignited. This is a natural process, divinely designed
for recognition through vibrational affinity, freed from personal
expectations.



White Dog can be seen as an access point for developing relationships
with guides, totems, allies and guardians. There are many ways to
work with these spiritual guides, including guided visualizations,
shamanic journeys, and meditation. A useful construct is viewing
them as aspects of yourself, part of your life stream that is asking
to be integrated. Remember, there is no 'other'. In this grand adventure,
you are being asked to embody all that you are.



The Harmonic Wisdom of White Dog is affinity, the attraction
of like vibrations or substances for one another. http://www.astrodreamadvisor.com/Wave_White_Dog.html

[watergaze]

That is me. It is quite fitting.



I do not understand the relationship thing though. So I checked what yours and my symbol would be according to the guidelines given and that is Blue Solar Storm

http://www.astrodreamadvi...ages/blue_sol_storm.html

Not sure how to work with that. Maybe you can show me how this works .

[Nu Lang]

A relationship signature shows a combined energy and focus between the two people. A theme for them when they come together.



So our 'main' theme is transformation (blue storm) and intent (solar). The 'oracle' which is the pictograph that looks like a cross, shows aspects such as the compliment, the challenge (focus/gift), the occult (hidden help) and the guide. Another thing to consider is that each year your signature changes, you can find this out by putting in your birthdate (day and month) and then the current year if you b-day has already occurred this year, or if not, put in last year. For example, a person born Jan 31 1967 already had a birthdate this year, so they put in Jan 31 2011 to see their current year oracle. If the person b-day was Oct 2 1967, they would put in Oct 2 2010 until they reach their b-day and then it changes into a new oracle. So after this, you can do another relationship signature between teh two people and get yet another oracle (theme) for that year. Its a process that never ceases to change.



The general idea is that the original birthdate is the major theme and that each year highlights a minor theme. I think the dreamspell also endeavors to show how fluidly all of us are interconnected. How I inhabit your space and you inhabit mine, how we are different and how this compliments aspects...things such as this. Ultimately in our movement we can grasp our freedom from being any 'thing'. But also we work with form.



Its interesting we are, based on our birthdates, the Blue Solar Storm relationship signature, as that is one of the signatures (lady Di) in that recap thread we are currently participating together in



We also have some other similarities spectral and wind/earth, core family.

[Nu Lang]

Was noting last night that we have 3 spectral tones here (that I know of), ...watergaze, Jezebel, and me. So lots of dissonance energy here. Think of it as erosion. It can seem like a destructive force, because it is, but its an important force and positive if seen that way. Such as, I recently saw a poster, Bring Down the Wall, I forgot where I saw it, but I think its was a Michael Palin travel documentary where he goes into east Europe and the poster refers to bringing down the Berlin wall and also the fall of the iron curtain. Bringing down walls is what spectral tone does...just one example of its destructive force as a positive. And of course the other tones all support balance each other, like a constructive tone (4 and 10 for example) rebuild over the clearing. So destruction/creation work in harmony this way.



Also, and I relay this becasue its relevant at the moment, not necessarily a mayan theme but it just came into my awareness. Since being here I've not been to the movie theater so much, past 5 years. I used to go more often when I lived in the states, but being here I just don't have so much opportunity. I've thus missed lots of movie series and lately have been locating them at the video store here...movies many people have already seen and I'm just watching them for the first time...Iron Man, X-men and most recently Superman. All remind me of the warrior path.



Superman especially hit home...he comes from elsewhere, has a tonal self (Clark Kent) and a double (Superman) his double is the powerful side and the Clark Kent is the one underestimated and blends into the tonal, but is an important information gathering aspect of himself. He is most certainly my hero There was a good line at the end of the movie I watched just last night, the first movie in the series, it was the voice over of his father saying to him that he sets an example that wakes up humans from their slumber and makes them rise up and be better like him (thats totally paraphrased because I cannot recall how it was said, but the main meaning was that). We need supermans in this world to keep the hope alive for a better future. He has only one vulnerability here on earth, its kryptonite, otherwise he's made of steel and even bullets cannot harm him, nothing can but that element. So for this reason he needs others, such as Lois Lane and husband and son helped him when Lex Luther stabbed him with kryptonite and he almost died but he was saved and regained his strength, so he needed his friends in this way and thus gave them a purpose, but otherwise he is very strong and helps everyone else most of the time and we need him (what he represents). So I got 4 more of the movies in this series to watch, I've only seen the first one thus far. My what a remarkable resemblance the actor has to Christopher Reeves who was the superman I knew as a child. Saw that the first movie (in newer series) was dedicated in loving memory to Christopher and Dana Reeves.

[Nu Lang]

Ok, so father and son themes emerging...Bob May I noticed posted a song about the father son, very nice lyrics! Today I also talkign in anotehr thread about Saturn and son Jupiter. And then I just went to see if I could find that quote from Supermans father and I found not only that but one from Superman to his son...so post both. We've been talking here about mother alot lately, not surprised now the father enters in...
'mother' 'father' parts of 'us', the polarities and the third perspective is power, nagual union awareness...form (father) void (mother).


Superman: [to Jason asleep in his bed] You will be different, sometimes you'll feel like an outcast, but you'll never be alone. You will make my strength your own. You will see my life through your eyes, as your life will be seen through mine. The son becomes the father and the father becomes the son.

Jor-El: [Superman is remembering Jor-El's last message to him from the first film] Live as one of them, Kal-El, to discover where your strength and your power are needed. Always hold in your heart the pride of your special heritage. They can be a great people, Kal-El, they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. For this reason above all, their capacity for good, I have sent them you... my only son.

[Bob May]

Nu Lang wrote:
Ok, so father and son themes emerging...Bob May I noticed posted a song about the father son, very nice lyrics! Today I also talkign in anotehr thread about Saturn and son Jupiter. And then I just went to see if I could find that quote from Supermans father and I found not only that but one from Superman to his son...so post both. We've been talking here about mother alot lately, not surprised now the father enters in...
'mother' 'father' parts of 'us', the polarities and the third perspective is power, nagual union awareness...form (father) void (mother).
Superman: [to Jason asleep in his bed] You will be different, sometimes you'll feel like an outcast, but you'll never be alone. You will make my strength your own. You will see my life through your eyes, as your life will be seen through mine. The son becomes the father and the father becomes the son.
Jor-El: [Superman is remembering Jor-El's last message to him from the first film] Live as one of them, Kal-El, to discover where your strength and your power are needed. Always hold in your heart the pride of your special heritage. They can be a great people, Kal-El, they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. For this reason above all, their capacity for good, I have sent them you... my only son.
Superman is a very good example of allegorical stories. I think Kryptonite might be ego or self importance.
At my old church we use to analyse a lot of the old classics. Don Quixote is very good as are the King Arthur tales and the Wizard of Oz. In modern times The Matrix is also very good.
Whether the authors of these classics knew what they were writing or not is not that important. We get inspired and the themes and patterns come out and shine through.
One line from the Man of La Mancha has always stuck with me. "The woman is the very soul of man." This holds true in piecing together the allegory of the book of Genesis.  
Also the idea that we can go to unimaginable places and not leave our meditation chair. This theme runs through all of these tales Oz, Matrix, Don quixote etc.


Mt 24:41
Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.




Mt 24:42
Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.


One of the least understood and most important themes concerning the end times. An awareness of what is going on invisibly all around us can be experienced by one person while others are completely oblivious to it.
Echoes of Superman's exray vision, I think.


Joh 14:22
Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

[Nu Lang]

I agree with your insights here. This is something we have very much in common. I like allegories too, was always identifying them. I remember in highschool I wrote this very very long paper about Tom Sawyer, Huck Finn, and ...."the river" (rush)



Yes, story telling is so important..you speak of the invisible... and it has to manifest somehow, and it does, continually.



Watched the next movie in series last night. It turned out to be the first one with Christopher Reeves, which I remember when I was young and my great grandma took me to go see it, I believe its the only movie her and I saw together alone, it has meaning that way somehow.



In this one (last night) another ability that came up about Superman is he was telling Lois Lane that he always tells the truth. Doesn't mean he answers any question asked, but that his answers when given are always 'of truth'. Which to me is ...impeccability, by one definition...the quality of being without an error or fault. Another way of saying: an absence of self importance, OR, being continually linked with Spirit.



So in this case, what would error or fault represent? My answer...the intent to separate from the light of Spirit. What drives such error or fault?...unresolved personal history...pain and suffering, in Buddhism called ignorance. The remedy is to seek in intent the light of Spirit always. We need role models at first, to help us see/learn and Superman, as his father tells him, is such as this.

[Nu Lang]

And its tricky to say the quality of being without an error or fault. Because it can bring up the notion of right/wrong morality. I say it does not mean this at all. Without error or fault has in this case a more representational/structural meaning.



For example...sure Superman could tell a lie, to get some personal perceived advantage, but at what cost to his power? Because, where does his power come from? This is the key.



In the movie, it comes from the Sun, which again is representational/allegory too. The Sun does not 'think' the Sun just IS. It shines on all.