05-14-2013, 12:00 AM
White Knight you have now a 100 posts count, like an anniversary hehe.
[well now that I am done writing this post and clicked preview to read it before posting, I see you replied to dan, but I am going to leave my post reply as it is, even though you say you understand the technical distinction between the two sections now, hope you dont mind]
We are trying here a bit of a different approach to the sections. It is not just about theme or topic. This is also why i like your scheme, as it can be seen as going beyond the themes/topics that are in the sections. For example Feeling does not mean the threads have to just be about feelings and emotions, but also what type of posting style we would like to foster - people not jump all over themselves, be considerate of threads even without moderation etc.
There are planned two sections which will provide edit and delete but a varied degree of control over user's threads and posts. Path of Heart will still be moderated to some extent, but New Seers will not be moderated by us, but each thread by their individual creator (the mod will just be their helper in doing that). So, in a nut shell, while the site will not provide edit and delete in general (because undisciplined posters mess up the thread's continuity), Path of Heart will give you these buttons. New Seers is about users creating their personal threads, threads whose intent they can foster and weed out unwanted plants if needed. In that sense it is going to be something new, and it is going to be a sort of test ground. Some members here are in constant battles and it is clogging up threads elsewhere. Others are having a conversation with themselves . Moderation will be tighter in some places and looser in other places. The users can choose which place they would like to make their thread in depending on what their wish for the thread is and what they are comfortable with.
In either case path of Heart is for discussion, while New Seers is for more blog style posting (with discussion also welcome, but depending on the creator of each thread how they decide to go about it).
What concerns feelings, some discussion about feelings is in The Art of Stalking and some in the FI section, it is more about self pity and that type of the spectrum, but stalking emotions is very important for us on the whole scale.
I really like your focus on feelings here, I have to say to me this is very important. Much more important than say thinking, talking etc about the FI. I learn loads by understanding and can working with emotions/feeling states.
I dont understand what you meant to say here: White Knight wrote:Feelings, heart is not independent, they are manipulated no end.
What concerns Arts of S&D I see the merit of having it together and also of having it apart . At this moment I am not planning to or thinking of splitting the section, but at this moment i am also very open to whatever shows up as a good path in changing the layout and intents of threads.
Yes, i understand how sections CC and Modern Nagualism have the same direction in the sense of will, how in theory that is so. But what i wanted to foreground is that CC section that we have here on the site (so in praxis as it is here) talks more about talking about the books. What do you think about this, how did you understand that, here is an interview with X etc. The actual issues of the path are in sections as FI, Arts of S&D etc. It focuses a lot on the persona of Carlos Castaneda (witches, DJ..) and what people's opinions are of him (them) and of putting together material connected to them. That is mostly what i see as the topics that are made use of there.
In this sense I do not mean to say that CC taught us how to talk, but that talk is what is mostly done in that section (not personal experiences of the issues, or people's seeing or understanding of his concepts from experience), but putting together stuff said elsewhere or saying opinions. Whereas the actual aspects of the teachings are elsewhere on the site. Hope I explain that clearly now
Modern Nagualism, in contrast is the struggle of us Modern Naguals, how to become New Seers, what we encounter on the path, etc. In this sense I totally see it as connected to will. And the threads you find in Modern Nagualism are pretty different from ones you find in CC section, there you might see why i say one is Will the other more Talk . Because one is for us about Will, us becoming New Seers (our Knock of Spirit), the other is Talk about this CC persona and his teacher DJ and his party warriors etc. The biggest parts of his teaching and our struggle with understanding that and incorporating it into our lives and learning from it is in the other sections of the site.
The Support Section is Talk, that much is clear, made for communication with the members. However, it just cant go on top. And the thing i was saying it is for me (heart, seeing...) is the case for me and maybe the other moderators. But i could also put it in Tonal, because tonal is this side of reality. And if we look at the site as in parts of it represent different sides, the Support section is surely the tonal side (nagual would be for example mastering awareness, dreaming. tonal would be for example introduction, FI, support, the tonal). You say Tonal is powerful, yea, but look at 'The Tonal' section, to me that is one of the least interesting parts of the site, full of unexplained videos, most of that section is music videos (ofc i leave it to others that it can be a powerful section to them). For me, the 'real' tonal stuff is dispersed around the other sections.
(edit: typos)
[well now that I am done writing this post and clicked preview to read it before posting, I see you replied to dan, but I am going to leave my post reply as it is, even though you say you understand the technical distinction between the two sections now, hope you dont mind]
We are trying here a bit of a different approach to the sections. It is not just about theme or topic. This is also why i like your scheme, as it can be seen as going beyond the themes/topics that are in the sections. For example Feeling does not mean the threads have to just be about feelings and emotions, but also what type of posting style we would like to foster - people not jump all over themselves, be considerate of threads even without moderation etc.
There are planned two sections which will provide edit and delete but a varied degree of control over user's threads and posts. Path of Heart will still be moderated to some extent, but New Seers will not be moderated by us, but each thread by their individual creator (the mod will just be their helper in doing that). So, in a nut shell, while the site will not provide edit and delete in general (because undisciplined posters mess up the thread's continuity), Path of Heart will give you these buttons. New Seers is about users creating their personal threads, threads whose intent they can foster and weed out unwanted plants if needed. In that sense it is going to be something new, and it is going to be a sort of test ground. Some members here are in constant battles and it is clogging up threads elsewhere. Others are having a conversation with themselves . Moderation will be tighter in some places and looser in other places. The users can choose which place they would like to make their thread in depending on what their wish for the thread is and what they are comfortable with.
In either case path of Heart is for discussion, while New Seers is for more blog style posting (with discussion also welcome, but depending on the creator of each thread how they decide to go about it).
What concerns feelings, some discussion about feelings is in The Art of Stalking and some in the FI section, it is more about self pity and that type of the spectrum, but stalking emotions is very important for us on the whole scale.
I really like your focus on feelings here, I have to say to me this is very important. Much more important than say thinking, talking etc about the FI. I learn loads by understanding and can working with emotions/feeling states.
I dont understand what you meant to say here: White Knight wrote:Feelings, heart is not independent, they are manipulated no end.
What concerns Arts of S&D I see the merit of having it together and also of having it apart . At this moment I am not planning to or thinking of splitting the section, but at this moment i am also very open to whatever shows up as a good path in changing the layout and intents of threads.
Yes, i understand how sections CC and Modern Nagualism have the same direction in the sense of will, how in theory that is so. But what i wanted to foreground is that CC section that we have here on the site (so in praxis as it is here) talks more about talking about the books. What do you think about this, how did you understand that, here is an interview with X etc. The actual issues of the path are in sections as FI, Arts of S&D etc. It focuses a lot on the persona of Carlos Castaneda (witches, DJ..) and what people's opinions are of him (them) and of putting together material connected to them. That is mostly what i see as the topics that are made use of there.
In this sense I do not mean to say that CC taught us how to talk, but that talk is what is mostly done in that section (not personal experiences of the issues, or people's seeing or understanding of his concepts from experience), but putting together stuff said elsewhere or saying opinions. Whereas the actual aspects of the teachings are elsewhere on the site. Hope I explain that clearly now
Modern Nagualism, in contrast is the struggle of us Modern Naguals, how to become New Seers, what we encounter on the path, etc. In this sense I totally see it as connected to will. And the threads you find in Modern Nagualism are pretty different from ones you find in CC section, there you might see why i say one is Will the other more Talk . Because one is for us about Will, us becoming New Seers (our Knock of Spirit), the other is Talk about this CC persona and his teacher DJ and his party warriors etc. The biggest parts of his teaching and our struggle with understanding that and incorporating it into our lives and learning from it is in the other sections of the site.
The Support Section is Talk, that much is clear, made for communication with the members. However, it just cant go on top. And the thing i was saying it is for me (heart, seeing...) is the case for me and maybe the other moderators. But i could also put it in Tonal, because tonal is this side of reality. And if we look at the site as in parts of it represent different sides, the Support section is surely the tonal side (nagual would be for example mastering awareness, dreaming. tonal would be for example introduction, FI, support, the tonal). You say Tonal is powerful, yea, but look at 'The Tonal' section, to me that is one of the least interesting parts of the site, full of unexplained videos, most of that section is music videos (ofc i leave it to others that it can be a powerful section to them). For me, the 'real' tonal stuff is dispersed around the other sections.
(edit: typos)