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Julio Juliopolis wrote:
rosygyro wrote:
When I talk about the male known I am using existential
Form as an analogy.
I am aware sexism exists and I stand against its perpetuation.
Well, that is exactly the point I've been contending in here. I don't think you are standing against sexism, but rather perpetuating it with your "male known", "female unknown" and general attitudes expressed here.
In order to stand against its current trends it is necessary to talk about basic forms of root physicality.
Much like you would talk about the factory from which a junkyard car once rolled out.
I don't know why you think sexism is rooted in the physical. It's roots are emotional. To examine it's roots, we ought to look for emotional manipulations so powerful they can get most men to refuse to accept a lifeboat for themselves if their ship is sinking, in favor of giving it to someone else on the sole basis of their sex, just to confirm to themselves that they are good people. Women of course are manipulated to feel entitled to the lifeboat just because they're women. Who emotionally manipulates and brainwashes the masses at large? How do they do it? These are the sorts of questions that should be looked into.
Ok..
Please explain your stance using the following terms.
Objective
Subjective
Corporeal
Matter
Energy
Space
Time
Sorcerers world
Known
Unknown
Inherent awareness
Evolving awareness
North
East
South
West.
Please omit male or female.
I will then use the same cardinal pinpoints to explain my own stance
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rosygyro wrote:Julio Juliopolis wrote:
rosygyro wrote:
When I talk about the male known I am using existential
Form as an analogy.
I am aware sexism exists and I stand against its perpetuation.
Well, that is exactly the point I've been contending in here. I don't think you are standing against sexism, but rather perpetuating it with your "male known", "female unknown" and general attitudes expressed here.
In order to stand against its current trends it is necessary to talk about basic forms of root physicality.
Much like you would talk about the factory from which a junkyard car once rolled out.
I don't know why you think sexism is rooted in the physical. It's roots are emotional. To examine it's roots, we ought to look for emotional manipulations so powerful they can get most men to refuse to accept a lifeboat for themselves if their ship is sinking, in favor of giving it to someone else on the sole basis of their sex, just to confirm to themselves that they are good people. Women of course are manipulated to feel entitled to the lifeboat just because they're women. Who emotionally manipulates and brainwashes the masses at large? How do they do it? These are the sorts of questions that should be looked into.
Ok..
Please explain your stance using the following terms.
Objective
Subjective
Corporeal
Matter
Energy
Space
Time
Sorcerers world
Known
Unknown
Inherent awareness
Evolving awareness
North
East
South
West.
Please omit male or female.
I will then use the same cardinal pinpoints to explain my own stanceMy stance is an educational one. People who believe they stand against something should be informed when their actions actually perpetuate rather than oppose that thing. Also, I agree with the idea of equality expressed by Don juan in the CC books. A person shouldn't look up to, nor down on anyone. They should understand we all have equal value. Finally, when I see someone say that they had to run away from the sight of a girl for 20 minutes before allowing themselves to like her, along with some of the other things you've writ here, it tells me they probably need to recap some of the things they learned about their sexuality.
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rosygyro wrote:
Ok..
Please explain your stance using the following terms.
Objective
Subjective
Corporeal
Matter
Energy
Space
Time
Sorcerers world
Known
Unknown
Inherent awareness
Evolving awareness
North
East
South
West.
Please omit male or female.
I will then use the same cardinal pinpoints to explain my own stance
My stance is an educational one. People who believe they stand against something should be informed when their actions actually perpetuate rather than oppose that thing. Also, I agree with the idea of equality expressed by Don juan in the CC books. A person shouldn't look up to, nor down on anyone. They should understand we all have equal value. Finally, when I see someone say that they had to run away from the sight of a girl for 20 minutes before allowing themselves to like her, along with some of the other things you've writ here, it tells me they probably need to recap some of the things they learned about their sexuality.
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Ok.
A tree has growth rings!
Every year a new ring is made and incredibly if an object is wedged next to a tree year on year- the tree will envelop it.
People do not lean against a tree for 24 hours a day,365 days a year over a decade.
If they did they would be enveloped.
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If you make your arguments obscure enough no one can show you any errors in them. Here you're only posturing as if to describe your beliefs but are really deflecting to nonsensical talk about how people aren't enveloped by trees. Well done, you've protected your worldview and ignored all evidence that questions the truth of it.
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Julio Juliopolis wrote:
If you make your arguments obscure enough no one can show you any errors in them. Here you're only posturing as if to describe your beliefs but are really deflecting to nonsensical talk about how people aren't enveloped by trees. Well done, you've protected your worldview and ignored all evidence that questions the truth of it.
It's a prelude to a description on the transition of the tonal through the sorcerers world.
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It seems like your prelude is predicated on the esotericism of the description itself. I don't doubt that your system of communication is coherent and meaningful to you and your milieu, whoever that might be. The question is, who are you talking to over the years here? I represent just a single perspective here, to be fair, and a limited one at that, admittedly....but, honestly, it seems like you're just talking to yourself.
It's like a graduate level mathematician, specializing in combinatorics, who feels compelled to teach algebra...who feels compelled to help others along who may seem stuck or whatever....but can't be bothered to adjust his manner of teaching to align with the level of understand of those listening. What's up with that, if true? Is it not wanting to provide access points, if alignment is made, for unwanted aspects of those one is teaching? If so, I get that I think.....but what's the point of sticking around then? Just travel onward under the impetus of your current level of momentum, interacting with those of similar momentum. Spears of destiny of similar trajectory, speed, distance along the arc and what-not. Companionship with others of similar capacity while the possibility of companionship remains. Or is it just the notion that "dumbing things down" does a disservice to others. Enables complacency or something. If that's the case then, still....some adjustment has to be made if the bar is utterly beyond reach. No one has the time/energy to jump if there's no possibility of even getting close.
Beyond all that, and to get back on topic, I don't know what to say about "sexual celibacy", which seems perhaps too crude a term to me. I always adjust your term of "forbearance" to what feels right in my own context, regardless of whether I'm virtuous in the context of that feeling. "Absolute consent".....feels like mutual respect taken as far as one progressively can. The question is whether that "inner guidance" conforms to requirement of configuration.....like that of "east, west, north, south". How could it not?....it seems. I trust the inner guidance and thus am wary to adopting outside "rules", simple or otherwise But, to entertain the system you mention as maybe something of inner guidance leading to the explanation, how would one know if one is easterly, westerly and so on?
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The terms I requested you use are the terminology of nagualism.
Forebearance is firstly an intention to truly see.
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(glance left on rosygyro) "I represent just a single perspective here, to be fair, and a limited one at that, admittedly....but, honestly, it seems like you're just talking to yourself."
I am going to use my mundane time here to have at it.
First and foremost, in the larger context, who here isn't talking only to themselves?
Entertaining a more conventional social context, (barring sorcery) a person is confined to living in a confined furrow of reality. To experience identical stimuli, thoughts and feelings is out of the existential purview even within a singular furrow.
Still, further down the existential chain, I admit communicative value. I mean, I just spoke of how others helped me to rally myself. Words can have benefit.
The more I've 'matured,' the more I realize the 'outer world' reflects my projection. To exaggerate, the world is me. I have nothing to bolster, nothing to defend.
I tend to get concepts here from others the way I've gotten them all my life. I pick and choose when 'feeling' receptive. I derive from rosygyro and others (yourself included), the way one would absorb a zen koan. I don't understand 1% of what rosygyro posits. I like rosygyro's writings; it's like looking down at the ground and always seeing just dirt. Someone else might place a tray of diamonds before me, and it has no effect. I keep looking at rosygyro's ground, and suddenly in the dirt is one brilliant diamond. That moves me from my current assemblage point.
Now, serloco is different in that he simply pulls me out of conventional assemblage. Moving one's ordinary assemblage of the world is the primer for sorcery.
I am arrogant in my presentation on this forum. I uphold that posture. In truth my stupidity has known no bounds. Again, I know myself, and I have nothing to bolster and nothing to defend. Yeah, I could teach people here if speaking in conventional parlance, but the preponderance of my words involve self stalking self.
rosygyro- "Forbearance is firstly an intention to truly see."
Yep.. and, mental constructs, however arranged, are not sorcery. Sorcery is seeing (knowing the constructs' essences without words or even identifiable qualities).
For Kaomea, I may have some things I will say at primeradiant.yuku that are not fitting to say here.
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My running away from girls I felt a great insane love and tantric link with was in part a method of mapping the way an obsessed madman can leave the domain of the stalked.
I.e I would run away down a path in the maze in the direction of generic unwanted elements of advance.
By the time I had adopted a position of my own knowing I would be 500 feet from the nagual woman.
The ritual sometimes precedes the rational mind, in my domain at least the lost self control was a blessing precontrived. Glad I'm not shtuck on that shtick
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rosygyro wrote:
My running away from girls I felt a great insane love and tantric link with was in part a method of mapping the way an obsessed madman can leave the domain of the stalked.
I.e I would run away down a path in the maze in the direction of generic unwanted elements of advance.
By the time I had adopted a position of my own knowing I would be 500 feet from the nagual woman.
The ritual sometimes precedes the rational mind, in my domain at least the lost self control was a blessing precontrived. Glad I'm not shtuck on that shtick
Jesus rosygyro.. EXACTLY!!
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"Forebearance is firstly an intention to truly see."
Ok. I presume its a matter of unbending/unimpeded silent intent which gathers energy until a threshold is crossed. I certainly see "things" amidst the shift inherent in my faltering pursuit of this intention....but I don't know if it qualifies as "truly seeing" though. I intuit its just a matter of developing discipline to cultivate sustain.....which has seemed almost impossible to me for as long as I've been at this. Doesn't matter....it's not like I have any choice to but to continue
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I love Miley Cyrus so much that when I intone her spirit I want to go to JAPAN and stay at the MinamiFuju golf resort.
Damn she's so fine.
Goitres are s xy as Fk
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glance left wrote:
"Forebearance is firstly an intention to truly see."
Ok. I presume its a matter of unbending/unimpeded silent intent which gathers energy until a threshold is crossed. I certainly see "things" amidst the shift inherent in my faltering pursuit of this intention....but I don't know if it qualifies as "truly seeing" though. I intuit its just a matter of developing discipline to cultivate sustain.....which has seemed almost impossible to me for as long as I've been at this. Doesn't matter....it's not like I have any choice to but to continue
To be honest it is like running at a tree repeatedly.
I spoke about the absorption of the inanimate a moment ago.
Intent is the part of the several meter run up into the trees Barky surface where it is near touching the surface.
Intent is partly death! Partly creation.
Forebearance is not the moment of collision with the tree but is instead the view of the tree from start of run up over time as the growth rings form over the years.
The vision of the growth rings is itself an X-ray type illusion.
ENT
TREE
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Here's one man who didn't get enveloped.
https://www.livescience.com/60610-indon ... ython.html
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rosygyro wrote:
Julio Juliopolis wrote:
rosygyro wrote:
When I talk about the male known I am using existential
Form as an analogy.
I am aware sexism exists and I stand against its perpetuation.
Well, that is exactly the point I've been contending in here. I don't think you are standing against sexism, but rather perpetuating it with your "male known", "female unknown" and general attitudes expressed here.
In order to stand against its current trends it is necessary to talk about basic forms of root physicality.
Much like you would talk about the factory from which a junkyard car once rolled out.
I don't know why you think sexism is rooted in the physical. It's roots are emotional. To examine it's roots, we ought to look for emotional manipulations so powerful they can get most men to refuse to accept a lifeboat for themselves if their ship is sinking, in favor of giving it to someone else on the sole basis of their sex, just to confirm to themselves that they are good people. Women of course are manipulated to feel entitled to the lifeboat just because they're women. Who emotionally manipulates and brainwashes the masses at large? How do they do it? These are the sorts of questions that should be looked into.
Ok..
Please explain your stance using the following terms.
Objective
Subjective
Corporeal
Matter
Energy
Space
Time
Sorcerers world
Known
Unknown
Inherent awareness
Evolving awareness
North
East
South
West.
Please omit male or female.
I will then use the same cardinal pinpoints to explain my own stance
I would normally charge money for this, but I'm going to do this pro bono.
NO. *** you, I'm not going to waste my energy learning your Secret Language.
It's cool you've made a private world with your own secret Alphabet -- very Masonic of you. But since this is an English language forum, in 2017, I'm going to have to ask you to express your thoughts in contemporary English like everyone else does.
If it helps, try doing it in 140 characters.
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rosygyro wrote:
My running away from girls I felt a great insane love and tantric link with was in part a method of mapping the way an obsessed madman can leave the domain of the stalked.
I.e I would run away down a path in the maze in the direction of generic unwanted elements of advance.
By the time I had adopted a position of my own knowing I would be 500 feet from the nagual woman.
The ritual sometimes precedes the rational mind, in my domain at least the lost self control was a blessing precontrived. Glad I'm not shtuck on that shtick
I can imagine you trying to talk to women and giving them a list of words to use to reply back to you, because otherwise you're not even on their planet.
I'm very socially awkward talking to women. I find ordinary people in general difficult to connect with. But I imagine that for YOU it would be 1000 times worse.
I don't think you're running away from the women, I think you're running away from the the certain knowledge that you would creep them out and they'd have no idea what you're talking about... phallic symbols, organic, trees...
Maybe you could post a "M seeking F" craigslist ad with your list of words and see if anyone out there is into it... you never know.
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The truly appalling thing is that the whole narrative treats women as objects to be encountered in the street and either fucked or run away from, but then goes on to virtue signal about women and feminism.
There's a skill I don't think you'll find Carlos Castaneda books, that's a kind of corollary to Seeing, and it wasn't on your list, and it's called "Hiding From Yourself".
Similarly, I imagine the opposite of Stalking is probably "Running Away".
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The voices in MY head would like you to know:
You can be celibate when you're dead.
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rosygyro wrote:
MOTHmothMOTHmothMOTHmothMOTHmothMOTHmothMOTHmothMOTHmothMOTHmothMOTHmothMOTHmoth
You can run away as far as you can, as fast as you can... but I'll still be here.
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