Place of no pity.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

This assemblage point is for advanced warriors. One knows it when they cease feeling emotions and know that death is imminent. When one sees death they know
that all the chatter in their mind is only chatter. When death comes, one finds themselves free of their body. A warrior remembers the place of no pity and
uses it to guide him into the unknown. When infinity looks at you, you do not want to run and hide. The place of no pity is a place to use when you feel sorry
for yourself and are listening to the inner dialogue of the flyer. By going to that place you silence it and then make your determinations from that place.
This will not guide you wrong. The place is deep and silent. It is strong and defiant! A warrior uses it to vanquish the enemies and guards of the gates in
dreaming. This is a most valuable state of mind for a nagual.

[Mornings Son]

Thanks Wolf


- I intend to realise that AP completly.


It will allow 'me' to be 100% servant for Spirit.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

I write for myself as well Mornings Son. We on the path know we have the intent but we also know we must intend the intent. (smile).

[Blue totem]

Hello




Well I have read about this ''place of no pity''. For me this concept seems very unsensitive.


Why would a lack of pity be desirable? A place with no emotion?




Well when one reaches inner silence, the only thing left is emotion. And its a very good thing.




Pity is not a bad thing. Compassion is not a bad thing. Don Juan was not very strong on love and compassion.


And I think it was to his disadvantage. Now I don't see why anyone would incorporate DJ's mistakes in his or her own philosophy.

[Mornings Son]

No pity is as I understand it is


being totally unattached to all things, ideas, concepts, people and selfimportance.




Where does one then relate to others and the world from?

[Blue totem]

I dont know, but if I see a homeless guy in the street, I might have pity on him and I dont think its bad.


Or I might have self pity if something bad happens to me, and thats not bad either...


I have emotions, I'm human. I'm not an unsensitive robot.

[Eilias123]

Believe it or not I think i have intended this position 3 years ago. haven't been able to reach it since. At the time i was reading Silence. and for some
reason the book made perfect sense to me. Like i had always known it.




Late one night i sat in my room and Intended this position. I reapeated over and over "no pity" in my mind. I was there for maybe more than an hour
when i accepted death. I noticed two beings within myself. First was the one that is speaking now. The daily mind, filled with clatter hopes worries and
desires. The other: complete lack of pity. SILENCE! I shifted into that position and let the no pity me which i have named: Winter. He is as cold as ice.




I walked around while in this position. The waking world was but a dream. objects shifted in and out of my vision much like a dream. I looked in the mirror
and saw someone else behind my eyes. they lacked pity.




I sat in my living room overlooking my other waking self. I felt as if i was completely outside his bubble. Which is where he lives. in a bubble. A bubble of
mostly nonsense, distracted by so many things.




That was the only time i was able to Stalk myself in a waking state to achieve and AP shift.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

The assemblage point of the "place of no pity" is used to face events that could destroy a warrior. This ap allows the warrior to drop emotions and
survive. This ap also allows one to slow down time thus giving the warrior an edge.

[dreamgirl]

I have reached this AP position myself, and it matches exactly what Lonewolf and Elias describe in the last two posts. I don't know why or what moved me
to this position at the time, but I knew right away what it was, and thankfully it was not brought about because I needed to face some unthinkable event. This
position also seems to be where I go when I have taken a power plant, which was a long time ago, but for me it is a very quiet place, introverted yet extremely
aware of what is happening, I felt bookish and reserved and had no need to talk at all. Just remembering it to describe it here brings it closer to my
awareness, in fact I hesitated writing this sentence for a long time because of the very nature of this ap position leaving me so silent.




But Blue Totem, your right, who wants to be cold hearted and severe? I don't, and sometimes I wonder what this former yoga loving, meditating, heart
chakra centric person is doing on the Nagualism path. All I know is that I am learning and experiencing it now because I am supposed to. Maybe tomorrow you
will be sitting at your kitchen table and a strange feeling will come over you and you will realize that you have reached the place of no pity, and it is not
as horrible as it sounds, and that the world doesn't end because for a few minutes you experience a state that separated you from your feelings, from the
flyer's mind, from the constant rattle of your internal dialog.




Don Juan says to always follow a path with heart, that that is what he does, and I don't think that anyone who is completely without compassion, without
love, would say this. I guess he has just seen through all illusion and his definition of compassion is very different from ours.

[Blue totem]

All I know is that compassion and love should always be present on the spiritual path. Hatred and bitterness is not the way.

[Eilias123]

Blue totem. Having experienced the AP point myself. I can tell you that in the place of no pity... There is no room for hatred. Hatred is pointless in this
position because the position lacks pity. Hatred can spring from self pity. You pity yourself, and you see other people who have that which you perceive you
lack, and you hate them for it. You simply lack pity for yourself and for others. It's not really being bitter. You just look at your tonal self and see
all the things you indulge that are stopping you from moving forward. It has nothing to do with you or any particular person. You see that if you stopped many
of these indulgences you free up a lot more energy that's all.

[Guest]

Blue totem wrote:I dont know, but if I see a homeless guy in the street, I might have pity on him and I dont think its bad.


Or I might have self pity if something bad happens to me, and thats not bad either...


I have emotions, I'm human. I'm not an unsensitive robot.The place of no pity, how I see it, in my understanding, is not having pity for yourself. It doesnt mean we dont have compassion for others. We can still not pity ourselves, and have compassion for our fellow man, and in truth, we 'should' have compassion for others. Its one of the goals. In realizing we're all in this together in some way, and we're all connected.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Yes I agree Datura..well said!

[Lea]

I like my story about the place of no pity. It is the first time I saw the spirit motioning to me, challenging me. Of course I freaked and ruined it! lol. I was standing in the upstairs room of a pub I had wandered in to. The room was almost empty. Neil was standing DJ ing on the stage in corner. I knew Neil but we had not exchanged a pleasantry's. I was not even in the room as I usually would understand this. I was the room! and I was everyone in it. If something happened in the room I knew about it. Of course however, is this not always the truth? I got a little scared when I realized that people were actually waiting to come in tho the room. I actually had to realize what they were coming to do before it was allowed to happen. It was a party night. I wondered if I would ever be normal again and then I was. So I then I wanted to be back in my new perception again and I was. The pub was a dream and I could feel the entire thing! It was heaving and moving. Things have gone a little down hill for me since. life is so massive its not difficult to get lost or worse.

[Lea]

oh, I never said how the spirit motioned me,lol. It started with the song that came on. The song told me what challenge I was about to experience, It was an accompaniment. I saw the songs mood not as separate from the situation. It turned out that just outside was an old friend of mine who was out to get drunk after being dumped by his girlfriend. The song was an ozzy ozzbourne tune, i dont know the title but in this situation the song was the situation or like a map for the situation. For me the place of no pity is an incomprehensible mystery.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Interesting Lea...the place of no pity is to me a solemn place where the heart cannot be touch except by the nagual.

[Gonzo]

In "The Power of Silence" don Juan has this to say:
"The place of no pity is the site of ruthlessness,"


In dictionay.com, "ruthlessness" is defined as follows:


without pity or compassion; cruel; merciless: a ruthless tyrant.



feeling or showing no mercy; hardhearted


You can't have it both ways.

[koomw]

an ordinary person thinks one who is emotionless is like a robot. To an emotionless one an ordinary persons emotional reacting seems very robot-like too.

[koomw]

an ordinary person thinks one who is emotionless is like a robot. To an emotionless one an ordinary persons emotional reacting seems very robot-like too

[koomw]

an ordinary person thinks one who is emotionless is like a robot. To an emotionless one an ordinary persons emotional reacting seems very robot-like too

[Lea]

Hello Lone wolf,



I did not really introduce myself, but then I am a little rude. Interesting wolf, I don't think I know what solemn means or at least what solemn might mean to you lol. I understand the heart quite well or perhaps hardly at all, but I think I know what you mean by the heart being touched only by the nagual. I am not sure why I have dubbed my experience that evening as being the place of no pity. The person I look to for guidance on technical issues described in one of his many books the place of no pity as being so far in left side awareness that there is no longer any rationality atall! He goes on to say that although rationality is in effect temporarily suspended, the amount of clarity yielded in such a position, coupled with a remaining sense of purpose makes a warrior feel crystal clear and even more rational than ever. The truth is though, that their is NOTHING rational about feeling lol. Also a Warrior in this position can feel every move of his opponent. He becomes, in effect, at one with his opponent. In my experience there is no seperate me from my surroundings or other people. This is more accurately what I myself experienced this time, and I have not been quite right since lol!!!!!!!!!!!! I am interested to hear if anyone has had a similar experience to this? I would be just as interested to know if it was grammatically correct to place a question mark after that last sentance? lol,.

[Wei Shan Yang]

Gonzo wrote:In "The Power of Silence" don Juan has this to say:
"The place of no pity is the site of ruthlessness,"


In dictionay.com, "ruthlessness" is defined as follows:


without pity or compassion; cruel; merciless: a ruthless tyrant.



feeling or showing no mercy; hardhearted


You can't have it both ways.
I think DJ later said ruthlessness was not the best word. Anyway, for me pity means 'concern for self" and does not take into account the whole. So to have no pity is to be free of that, a freedom which can bear many positive feelings... unconditional kindness, love, joy...or it could be just clear mindedness. What is detached is the social view, so the place of no pity does not understand, identify nor want to, the socailized perspective, dual perception, and labeling of things good and bad, us and them etc.

[Gonzo]

Wei Shan Yang wrote:Gonzo wrote:In "The Power of Silence" don Juan has this to say:
"The place of no pity is the site of ruthlessness,"


In dictionay.com, "ruthlessness" is defined as follows:


without pity or compassion; cruel; merciless: a ruthless tyrant.



feeling or showing no mercy; hardhearted


You can't have it both ways.
I think DJ later said ruthlessness was not the best word. Anyway, for me pity means 'concern for self" and does not take into account the whole. So to have no pity is to be free of that, a freedom which can bear many positive feelings... unconditional kindness, love, joy...or it could be just clear mindedness. What is detached is the social view, so the place of no pity does not understand, identify nor want to, the socailized perspective, dual perception, and labeling of things good and bad, us and them etc.
Indeed.  That is, there is no place for morality, although I suspect you had non-duality more in mind. 
Two characters from movie productions come to mind which embody utter pitilessness, imo: The Joker, in "The Dark Knight", and Blue Duck in "Lonesome Dove".  In don Juan's illustration of the state, he drives Castaneda to it by publicly denouncing him as I recall.  It seems truly to be a state no one chooses because it is amoral and we are all taught "to be good".

[Lunoor]

Good point wei, I like the clarity you bring to it here.



Gonzo, you feeling judged lately? Never saw Lonesome Dove or that particular batman movie.

[Wei Shan Yang]

Gonzo, the Joker, yikes! That character represented one who was totally imbalanced and had self-serving dreams of grandeur. I would say he pitied himself, felt the world was against him which made him enjoy seeing others suffer. Their suffering was his reward for his inner pain and resentment towards them (feeling unloved), which he hid behind his smile.



There is a difference between kindness and morality. You seem to associate the two as the same thing.



Kindness is a feeling. It is sincere and just comes from whence it comes (mysterious).



Morality is feeling obligated to pretend you feel any emotion you deem appropriate, and doing so so that any social consequences will be adverted or achieved depending on their being considered bad or good.



I have found through personal experience that when I let go of self-concern, all self-concern (not seeing the world composed of selves), there is the flow of unity that carries feelings with it and they are positive. The feelings don't discriminate, they just exist. I'm not talking about being in this state long term, but apparently some people, Buddhists, have claimed to have seen this occur in people.



One thing important to remember. Any pleasure derived at another's expense is linked to a personal emotion of retaliation. If you are happy to see others suffer, then its not that you have reached the place of no pity, but rather that you get enjoyment out of thinking you have conquered them in some way which is born from some fear you associate with them (some self-pity you have), buried very deeply, that makes you hate them for whatever reasons.



I think as children we start out not this way but socially acquire self-pity via the things that occur that cause us pain. We learn to maneuver around them and develop schemes so well that it takes years for us to see it, and more years to change it. Some try to change it by stopping having emotion. And Carlos aided this movement by how he wrote about things (which maybe he recanted later). So many people today view not having emotions as warrior-ly. But its not that such people have actually achieved an emotionless state, just they think its the answer to all that ails, but inside they still have lots of biases about the world and the people in it, so they leave an emotional trail when they speak and you can see it.



To me the challenge is to get to a place where nothing bothers you, that's the place of no pity. When you arrive at this place you do not have any complaints with the world, it is all as it should be. I'm not there yet, lol. Occasionally I do access this state as I think we all do, its just staying there that is the bigger challenge. I think Juan Matus achieved this. Remember he practiced controlled folly, and his words often contradicted, but basically I don't think he judged anyone from a place of self-pitying emotion.