Teachers, should they charge?

[Nu Lang]

I'm the general moderator so that's one reason I am very active here. You have a lot of opinions about me. I see though that its not about me, its about you and something that gets triggered, the same thing happened with you when you were interacting with Sedna, your syntax was the same with her. Its better just to see it, drop it and move on...we really don't have time to waste.

[Guest]

This thread has taken an interesting turn, what happens after we die? I read about CC, I have seen some things be confirmed (esp in dreaming) that the Toltec path is a valid path.
Does anyone remember the story CC told of the two cats going to be put to sleep? One blindly and trustingly went, the other clawed its way to freedom and took off.
A warrior will not trustingly and blindly go to their execution. They will claw their way to freedom, because they know that death is the end. That is all folks, the end. However, there is a cubic centimeter of a chance, they can pull off a miracle, and for that it requires being impeccable, losing self importance, and erasing personal history. ANd a host of other things. When it comes to a warrior party, it would be preferable, sure. I can understand Nu's desire to not be alone. For a whole eternity? Hell is an eternity in solitude. it would not be enjoyable. Doing absolutely nothing? Am I busting my ass in this life, to do absolutely nothing in the next? Give me something to do.
However, what happens after we die? Who can honestly speak with authority, what that really is? I can say from my own experience, there are many who wont make it. And you don't get to gain your awareness just by being a good person. It will take a lot of hard work to be able to make it. I agree with Alien, it's not about 'another side' you make it to. You just somehow, get the ability to go on without a body. How about pulling that one off? it takes a superhero to do that.
I cannot say if I will be able to pull it off. I will try my best, but I may be flattened when I die. I cannot, with assurity, say for certain I will make it/ All I can do is devote my life to trying to make it. its just not an arguable deal with me.
But I can understand Nu's desire not to be alone. If I had to choose between being alone, or oblivion, I would choose oblivion. Because to be alone for an eternity without communication would be utter hell. That isn't heaven. That is hell. So I hope where I'm going involves other warriors who got their cubic centimeter of a chance too.

[Nu Lang]

Hey, great post about unyeilding purpose...woo hoo, coming from a woman even. And the timing too, I love it...read my latest thread in Inner Landscape. Its about unyielding purpose. We need this and then combined with intent, warriors always get what they seek because they intended it. Spirit also always tempers a warrior's desire so that what they seek is the nagual rather then tonal, so getting what they want in the end is toward the nagual, thus not 'self'.



I know there's no 'other side' but we use language to define the path. So other side means a shift of what's known into the unknown.

[ninth octave]

Nu Lang wrote:
I'm the general moderator so that's one reason I am very active here. You have a lot of opinions about me. I see though that its not about me, its about you and something that gets triggered, the same thing happened with you when you were interacting with Sedna, your syntax was the same with her. Its better just to see it, drop it and move on...we really don't have time to waste.I agree with NL here.  Alien seems like you crave to have a bone to be picked with someone over something as if there is some kind of territorial persuit at stake. Same with Enchantra lately!
 What is up with this she-wolves??

[Guest]

Well, i am very sorry that you both see my disagreeing and asking questions so that

I can better understand as having bones to pick.

[ninth octave]

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This thread has taken an interesting turn, what happens after we die? I read about CC, I have seen some things be confirmed (esp in dreaming) that the Toltec path is a valid path.
Does anyone remember the story CC told of the two cats going to be put to sleep? One blindly and trustingly went, the other clawed its way to freedom and took off.
A warrior will not trustingly and blindly go to their execution. They will claw their way to freedom, because they know that death is the end. That is all folks, the end. However, there is a cubic centimeter of a chance, they can pull off a miracle, and for that it requires being impeccable, losing self importance, and erasing personal history. ANd a host of other things. When it comes to a warrior party, it would be preferable, sure. I can understand Nu's desire to not be alone. For a whole eternity? Hell is an eternity in solitude. it would not be enjoyable. Doing absolutely nothing? Am I busting my ass in this life, to do absolutely nothing in the next? Give me something to do.
However, what happens after we die? Who can honestly speak with authority, what that really is? I can say from my own experience, there are many who wont make it. And you don't get to gain your awareness just by being a good person. It will take a lot of hard work to be able to make it. I agree with Alien, it's not about 'another side' you make it to. You just somehow, get the ability to go on without a body. How about pulling that one off? it takes a superhero to do that.
I cannot say if I will be able to pull it off. I will try my best, but I may be flattened when I die. I cannot, with assurity, say for certain I will make it/ All I can do is devote my life to trying to make it. its just not an arguable deal with me.
But I can understand Nu's desire not to be alone. If I had to choose between being alone, or oblivion, I would choose oblivion. Because to be alone for an eternity without communication would be utter hell. That isn't heaven. That is hell. So I hope where I'm going involves other warriors who got their cubic centimeter of a chance too.There are people that have had near death experiences or who have been dead for longer than three days that can tell you the tales of the where they went after their temporary death. Whether theses NDE persons had  a faith or a non-faith background , this does not factor into if there will be an after life or awareness after death. The field of noetics deals with consciousness // conscious awareness.
 I believe what you still believe at the moment of your death will determine your destiny.
In these NDE cases say they were also given the decision to return to their body if they chose to.

[ninth octave]

Near Death Experienced      http://www.freechristianteaching.org/mo ... x.php?id=4

[Guest]

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This thread has taken an interesting turn, what happens after we die? I read about CC, I have seen some things be confirmed (esp in dreaming) that the Toltec path is a valid path.
Does anyone remember the story CC told of the two cats going to be put to sleep? One blindly and trustingly went, the other clawed its way to freedom and took off.
A warrior will not trustingly and blindly go to their execution. They will claw their way to freedom, because they know that death is the end. That is all folks, the end. However, there is a cubic centimeter of a chance, they can pull off a miracle, and for that it requires being impeccable, losing self importance, and erasing personal history. ANd a host of other things. When it comes to a warrior party, it would be preferable, sure. I can understand Nu's desire to not be alone. For a whole eternity? Hell is an eternity in solitude. it would not be enjoyable. Doing absolutely nothing? Am I busting my ass in this life, to do absolutely nothing in the next? Give me something to do.
However, what happens after we die? Who can honestly speak with authority, what that really is? I can say from my own experience, there are many who wont make it. And you don't get to gain your awareness just by being a good person. It will take a lot of hard work to be able to make it. I agree with Alien, it's not about 'another side' you make it to. You just somehow, get the ability to go on without a body. How about pulling that one off? it takes a superhero to do that.
I cannot say if I will be able to pull it off. I will try my best, but I may be flattened when I die. I cannot, with assurity, say for certain I will make it/ All I can do is devote my life to trying to make it. its just not an arguable deal with me.
But I can understand Nu's desire not to be alone. If I had to choose between being alone, or oblivion, I would choose oblivion. Because to be alone for an eternity without communication would be utter hell. That isn't heaven. That is hell. So I hope where I'm going involves other warriors who got their cubic centimeter of a chance too.There are people that have had near death experiences or who have been dead for longer than three days that can tell you the tales of the where they went after their temporary death. Whether theses NDE persons had  a faith or a non-faith background , this does not factor into if there will be an after life or awareness after death. The field of noetics deals with consciousness // conscious awareness.
 I believe what you still believe at the moment of your death will determine your destiny.
In these NDE cases say they were also given the decision to return to their body if they chose to.  
 
 
The near death phenomena does give hope but I still dont bet my life on those experiences either. Some may be delusional dreams one had and weren't quite dead. So I can't say for certain. I don't want there to be an end, but if life were just me in solitude in a black void I don't think I'd want to exist.

[alien]

datura8 wrote: 
 
The near death phenomena does give hope but I still dont bet my life on those experiences either. Some may be delusional dreams one had and weren't quite dead. So I can't say for certain. I don't want there to be an end, but if life were just me in solitude in a black void I don't think I'd want to exist.
  
  The cool thing is that even IF you should find yourself in a black void, remember this:  "Thou art God."  Didn't "god" supposedly exist in a void before uttering the words "Let there be light"?  I like to think of it is as the ultimate opportunity to create, make your own world(s) and fill them with magickal beings.  The void is just a blank canvas... at least that's what I choose to believe.    From the darkness, we say... "I-Am."

[Guest]

alien wrote:
datura8 wrote: 
 
The near death phenomena does give hope but I still dont bet my life on those experiences either. Some may be delusional dreams one had and weren't quite dead. So I can't say for certain. I don't want there to be an end, but if life were just me in solitude in a black void I don't think I'd want to exist.
  
  The cool thing is that even IF you should find yourself in a black void, remember this:  "Thou art God."  Didn't "god" supposedly exist in a void before uttering the words "Let there be light"?  I like to think of it is as the ultimate opportunity to create, make your own world(s) and fill them with magickal beings.  The void is just a blank canvas... at least that's what I choose to believe.    From the darkness, we say... "I-Am."
That would be nice, Well my wish is to have it like the movie What Dreams May Come. Create my own reality. That would be very cool. If I have the power that would work. *smiles*

[ninth octave]

I Am That I Am....this is what God's name is. Full awareness to be everywhere, anytime, anyplace. This is the totality of oneself.

[Guest]

ninth octave wrote:
I Am That I Am....this is what God's name is. Full awareness to be everywhere, anytime, anyplace. This is the totality of oneself.
It would be nice to achieve that. But at the same time I'm just little old me so I don't know, LOL.

[Guest]

I've had a couple of near death experiences .... there was nobody else around.  Was nice and peaceful though.

Here's a good quote for the topic:
The average man is hooked to his fellow men, while the warrior is hooked only to infinity."

~CC~

[alien]

ninth octave wrote:
I Am That I Am....this is what God's name is. Full awareness to be everywhere, anytime, anyplace. This is the totality of oneself.
   Total agreement.  
I once went to a little place called Marfa, Texas.  There have been so-called "mystery lights" appearing there since before the white man came to America - recorded way back into Native American history.  Anyway... on the night I was there - and I admit I was skeptical - we were privileged to witness a phenomenal display of these lights, which start off looking like a motorcycle in the distance, but rise up into the air, turn all sorts of brilliant colors, appear and disappear, and generally defy the laws of physics & logic.  Magick, in other words.  No swamps nearby, so not swamp gas.  No logical explanation anyone has been able to come up with.  Some simply appear in the air, well above ground level, then wink out again... coming and going like beautiful dancers.
As I sat there in awe that night, I opened my mind to one of these lights that had been hovering for a few minutes, silently wondering... "What are you?  Where do you come from?  Where are you going?"
Although I expected no answer, I was immediately embraced by a wave of silent knowing, and the words... "I am a singularity of consciousness."
I can't describe the feelings I experienced as a result of this, nor the profound effect it had on my life.  Sure, I could choose to explain it away, to believe it was just my own inner dialog having a laugh, but the reality of it was that I felt and simply knew this to be true.  This being which manifested briefly as a "mystery light" was everywhere and nowhere at the same time, outside of time and beyond time's end.  It simply was... I-Am.
A short while later that night, some film students showed up and began filming the lights for a documentary they were making.  One of them met my eyes and we spoke briefly about the Marfa lights, speculating as to what they might be.  There was something so raw and humorous in that young man's eyes... and I know now that the singularity was looking out through his perception in that moment, as if to say, "Hello.  I'm here, too."
I'll never forget that night.  I want to say the light was mySelf, having a bit of fun in the middle of nowhere at the edge of the All, trying to see if my mortal/human self could even fathom my immortal/eternal Self... but for now I'll just say I was forever changed by that experience, that silent Knowing, witnessing the I-Am which chose to show itself as a light.

[Guest]

Nice story.

[alien]

datura8 wrote:
That would be nice, Well my wish is to have it like the movie What Dreams May Come. Create my own reality. That would be very cool. If I have the power that would work. *smiles*
You have the power.  I have no doubt of that.
And I loved What Dreams May Come!!!  Painting on the canvas of the infinite...

[Guest]

alien wrote:
datura8 wrote:

That would be nice, Well my wish is to have it like the movie What Dreams May Come. Create my own reality. That would be very cool. If I have the power that would work. *smiles*
You have the power.  I have no doubt of that.
And I loved What Dreams May Come!!!  Painting on the canvas of the infinite...
  Yes that is my all time favorite movie. To be able to be an artist when I die would be wonderful. I also liked the twin souls thing they had in the movie too.

[ninth octave]

"What Dreams May Come".. I had forgotten the title ..  I thought it was the most uniquley awe inspiring movie I had ever seen.
Great tale of power, Alien

[Guest]

ninth octave wrote:"What Dreams May Come".. I had forgotten the title ..  I thought it was the most uniquley awe inspiring movie I had ever seen.
Great tale of power, Alien  
I haven't seen this movie.  I'll have to look out for it!

[Guest]