SUMMITS

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"We as human beings live in constant thirst and with fear to free ourselves" - Carlos Castaneda





Interviews



http://www.nagualism.com/interviews-articles.html

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I have met new seers, young sorcerers from nagual group. That was 8 years ago.



In the same year, 2002, Armando Torres account book appeared.





Its a pretty clear message.





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"What is expected from you is that you say to those who surround you: 'You are free, you can

fly by yourselves! You have the necessary information, what are you waiting for? Act

impeccably, and see how energy finds a way.'





"Warn everyone that with the culmination of Don Juan's lineage, the knowledge is wide open.

Each warrior is responsible for himself, and can provide himself with the minimum

opportunity, which is to organize his own party."





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In order to navigate into the unknown like a
shaman does, one needs unlimited pragmatism, boundless sobriety and
guts of steel





Sobriety is the essence of impeccability.





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“ For don Juan Matus, a pragmatic and extremely sober shaman,
‘Spirituality’ was an empty ideality, an assertion without basis that
we believe to be very beautiful because it is encrusted with literary
concepts and poetic expressions, but which never go beyond that.





Shamans like don Juan are essentially practical. For them there only
exists a predatory universe in which intelligence or awareness is the
product of life and death challenges. He considered himself a navigator
of infinity and said that in order to navigate into the unknown like a
shaman does, one needs unlimited pragmatism, boundless sobriety and
guts of steel.





In view of all this, don Juan believed that ‘Spirituality’ is simply a
description of something impossible to achieve within the patterns of
the world of everyday life, and it is not a real way of acting.”

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The worst has already happened. We’re dead already. But don Juan’s idea was,



‘Let’s put up a fight before they find and prove that we’re dead.’ Let’s deprive the Flyers of their nourishment. We can dry them up. If we deprive them of their nourishment, they’ll go away."



http://www.sustainedactio.../Notes/Sunday_091596.htm



Castaneda asked, "How can we be morose? Talia," he told us, "was very morose this morning." He claimed he’d never seen her looking so down. He imitated her frowning, and looking downward. All the way to class "I was singing tangos to try to cheer her up," but got only a weak laugh. So when they finally got up to the door he told her, "Now, tell me what’s going on, or you can’t come into the class." She said, "Oh, I read a sad story." His response was, "*** that. How ‘sensitive’ to get down about some sad story. She read ‘David Copperfield.’ Come on! We can’t be morose.



The worst has already happened. We’re dead already. But don Juan’s idea was,



‘Let’s put up a fight before they find and prove that we’re dead.’ Let’s deprive the Flyers of their nourishment. We can dry them up. If we deprive them of their nourishment, they’ll go away."

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Scout acts and he responds to you members...do you let it go or do react?

[Wei Shan Yang]

Yes, pertinent question...I don't react (to scout) because I am battling my flier 24/7. If I wasn't doing this, I think his words would piss me off or upset me in some way, but since its between me and my flier, I can't be at all upset with scout. Truth is, when we don't recognize our flier, we see it in other people instead.



When we do recognize our flier and see it... not as part of us, but somethign competing for our power, our energy and life force, and doing it by getting access to us via our mind and emotional residue of past, we realize all our energy must go to this battle within self and expel the foreign substance.

[Turin Otzaki]

Im really enjoying Scouts contribution, love the zeal and energy and focus on focus!

[Wei Shan Yang]

Wei Shan Yang wrote: Yes, pertinent question...I don't react (to scout) because I am battling my flier 24/7. If I wasn't doing this, I think his words would piss me off or upset me in some way, but since its between me and my flier, I can't be at all upset with scout. Truth is, when we don't recognize our flier, we see it in other people instead.



When we do recognize our flier and see it... not as part of us, but somethign competing for our power, our energy and life force, and doing it by getting access to us via our mind and emotional residue of past, we realize all our energy must go to this battle within self and expel the foreign substance.I just wanted to add...I do 'react' (respond) to the intensity he pushes upon me...but that's a good thing, has to do with his intent... though its a bit harsh and I have to remember balance too. So as not to become morose. His focus is good, but I still like to laugh. If my flier slips in while I'm laughing and being at ease...it has before, I will notice it and respond. I'm not as Spartan as I could be, but getting better each day at it and scout is certainly helping this.

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Dear readers and friends,





scout1 mission is in the end here.





Swear to beat the Flyer for good !! :-)))







We should all know where we stand. With our time...





with our ****.. with the Flyer, with our Death, under The One Spirit, within the Universe.





The Universe only wants us: To be sincere ! And to be responsible men and women.





SO LETS CONCENTRATE









We are on the Tour of Awareness...







CHEER UP !!!





We are all WARRIORS-TRAVELLERS HERE !!!









All The New seers, Warriors and Buddhas WE ARE HERE !!!







This is an exquisite adventure, THIS THE INFINITY...





THIS IS THE COSMOS, THE UNIVERSE !!!!





LETS BANG ! Take a ride!



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See Ya !!!!!

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Hey Wei, dear one





We are very lucky here that we know it as it is. We are very lucky we can fight it at face value.





Actually, The Buddha says the same: This is The Hunter ( in pali canon).





The Zen tradition says: This is the Demon from Black Mountain...





Gnostics say: They are the Archons ( Rulers)





Jesus says: They are evil...





So lets fight = LETS CONCENTRATE





:-)

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http://www.oldnagualnet.c...INTERVIEWS/KINDRED1.HTML


Question:

Don Juan Matus describes the world as being predatory in nature, which is at
variance to perhaps all other mystical, shamanic and esoteric traditions.
Can you comment on this?


Answer:

In the tradition of the sorcerers to which don Juan belongs, it is maintained
that the universe is predatorial in nature. For sorcerers, this is not a
matter of speculation or of metaphorical predilection - they know for a fact
that it is predatorial. Throughout the ages they have described the
condition of man, which is about the bleakest description we know. As time
goes by, this description gains more and more ground. Sorcerers say that
just as we keep chickens, or gallinas in Spanish, in a coop, or a
gallinero, some entities that come from a universe of awareness keep us in
human coops. Sorcerers make a joke and say that those entities, which they
call flyers, or voladores, keep us human beings, or seres humanos, cooped
up in humaneros.


The flyers of the sorcerers' tradition are black shadows that we sometimes
detect and explain away as floaters in the retina. Sorcerers know for a
fact, by means of their capacity to see energy directly, that those shadows
are predatorial and that they keep us alive in order to devour our
awareness. Sorcerers say that our awareness is like a sheen around our total
field of energy that looks to them like a luminous ball. To them, this sheen
of awareness is like a plastic cover that would make the luminous ball shine
even more if it were not for the fact that it has been eaten away down to the
level of our heels.


Here is where the sorcerers description gets very disturbing to us;
sorcerers say that the only sheen of awareness left in us by our eaters is
the awareness of self-reflection. Therefore, all we are left with is the
concern with me, myself and I. In our personal lives we have corroborated
that the only force left in the immediate world around us is the force of
self-importance, which comes disguised in the form of humility, compassion,
altruism, kindness, you name it.


This sorcerer's description is of course our ultimate nemesis; we don't want
to believe that we are being raised for food. In this sense, naturally, the
sorcerers' tradition is at total variance with any other kind of spiritual
tradition. Sorcerers say, and believe me, not out of cynicism, that every
ideal we deal with in terms of spiritual traditions, religions, etc, is a
device concocted by the flyers to keep us in a lull. Imagine our disquietude
upon examining, weighing and pondering this proposition.


Question:

What is the 'jump for freedom' and what is 'death' to those people who have
not made this 'jump'?


Answer:

We understand that the jump to freedom is equivalent to evolving in a
premeditated way. For sorcerers, the natural reason for our lives, aside
from being eaten by the flyers, is to fend off our attackers in order to
allow our awareness to grow to its full capacity. To complete this task is
an evolutionary step which sorcerers call the jump to freedom. We haven't
reached that state so we truly don't know what it means.


Your question of what death is to people who have not made this jump can be
answered by sorcerers very simply by telling you that people who do not allow
the regrowth of awareness die by being eaten by the flyers.

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Run

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What exactly is the 'second attention'?
http://www.oldnagualnet.c...INTERVIEWS/KINDRED1.HTML

Answer:

We have been taught that the second attention is the consciousness of human
beings who have not been devoured by the flyers down to their heels. If a
natural regrowth of awareness is allowed, the level of consciousness of that
awareness that rises up allows the person who has it to enter into something
indescribable. Since it has been impossible for us to get an idea of what
this awareness is from a great number of people, all we have is our four
wards; Florinda Donner-Grau, Taisha Abelar, Carol Tiggs and Carlos Castaneda.
We haven't been able to really deal with this subject. From our own
personal experience we draw a near blank. We have changed, yes, but our
consciousness cannot verbalise what we experience; it seems like the world
we used to know but we know that it isn't. We hope that a moment will come
when it will be possible for us to verbalise what the second attention is
beyond saying that it is a consciousness of heightened awareness. As we have
already told you, by heightened awareness we mean awareness that has not
been eaten by the flyers. Our insistence on this point may be very
displeasing to you, it is to us, but we are convinced that there is no other
way to explain bona fide change in human beings. Consider this point: in
the world of everyday life, no matter what we do, we never change. So what
are we going to do? Remain the same while we talk and talk about unrealistic
idealities? This is the point where the sorcerers squashed us. They said to
us, if you really want to change and be different you must fend off the
flyers. If you do not do this, forget about change - all you will do
throughout your lives is talk about how wonderful you are.

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So lets practice



I do use Zazen.

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We are here !



So lets concentrate

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if you really want to change and be different you must fend off the flyers. If you do not do this, forget about change - all you will do throughout your lives is talk about how wonderful you are.

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you are on your own..

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To begin to understand you must cut off knowing and seeing, forget gain and loss, and become purified, naked, and perfectly at ease; each and every one must investigate on his own.

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He repeated that, "This is a prison planet. When you really realize the
horror of it -- how we are stuck here, that the worst has already
happened," that is when we would need the "hot line" [to
him], because "that’s when you will be screaming." Our
"energy bodies have already been pushed away from us." He claimed that
if don Juan had "accessed my energy body before dealing with me, my energy
body probably would have said, ‘Let’s get rid of this guy.’" He said
it "doesn’t take much to tune the energy body," and described it as
"this beautiful thing." He said, "You can do all kinds of things
with it . . . don Juan just did everything with the energy body. To get out of
the prison, though, you can’t take your dolls with you. You have to leave it
behind -- you’ve got to go naked."
http://www.sustainedaction.org/Notes/Sunday_091596.htm

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So the World, Infinity is opened for us..





:-)))))

[Gonzo]

and beyond

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Gonzo wrote:and beyond
Hey Gonzo, we are in Modern Nagualism forum, what the hell are you doing here son ?? )

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We need strong practice everyday. We need concentration.



It could be Yoga (asanas) and other exercises, Zazen...



Tensegrity, recapitulation...



and to work everyday.. concentration...

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I have noticed, the vast majority of people here are not practitioners at all..





Why dont You practice ? Why are You posting here ? Thats really insane..







do not post here unless you are practicing !!!

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Here is the Reality... Cosmos.. Universe..



Its sentient.. It senses everything you do..





The Cosmos, God sees everything and is very displeased with you...





Take the path



Do Yoga, (Zen) Buddhism, Nagualism...





practice hard, concentrate on that





Do not bother me in this thread..



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