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Nagual Church
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07-14-2010, 12:00 AM
I love dreaming too. Not sure about lucidly aquiring inorganic energy as of yet. I'm still stalking my follies one by one, with the aid of dreams and signs of the spirit. Especially since inorganics use yourself as a gauge. I better be prepared for that.
07-14-2010, 12:00 AM
dreamways wrote:Anybody who has spent any time reading my Nagual forum knows that I have two
primary interests, dreaming and inorganic energy. I'm all for including every part of Nagualism in the Nagual Church, but excluding dreaming and inorganica from the focus would be the last thing that I would ever consider. Ahhhh... I'm not saying excluding dreaming altogether but downplaying it, for Don Juan said that dreaming and recapitulation were secundary aids (for one) and for the other that people are willing to kill to secure knowledge and individuals that could serve their tonal purposes. The Dream Hacker leader was murdered by Russian Intelligence and the next one in "rank" had to flee the country, for she was next. Their sin? Having an open, free-for-all dreaming based volunteers training. Coming out like that IS dangerous. The Volunteer-Tonal Recapitulation Cult of Dianetics (Scientology) had to fight endlessly just to survive the onslaughts of the Psychology/Psychiatry Mafia that saw such knowledge as a menace to their dominating state. What I said is about learning from other people's mistakes, for people has not changed that much in the last 4000 years. I'm certainly NOT sorry for caring about the life of sorcerers of today and tomorrow Dreamways. You are the one asking for opinions and asking how to do things right. Try to see that next time you get into a tonal tantrum. Besides that, my opinion about you has not changed. I certainly can live without entering your forum again, if it comes to that. Regards. PS: I would suggest you take your idea to Don Juan, since his opinion is the only one that has any weight on you. I can imagine what he will say, though.
07-14-2010, 12:00 AM
im starting a TOLTECENERGYSHRINE if anyones interested!
it states.. that 1) Inorganic beings only exist in ratio or direct response to organic perception! and therefore the inorganic realms are flexible.. the connected inner nature of the inorganics being a NEXUS we as humans cannot control! 2) Many want to be sorcerers mistake allsorts of things for being inorganic beings... would you believe that some people dont recognise their own partners without their "clothes" on!.. 3) It also states that the inorganic energy realm, including its orientation of the NEXUS is the property of the NAGUAL! 4) Its purpose is to align the Nagual or the central nexus of the inorganic realm... with the Nagual at the central time bolus of humanity today.. the single Nagual force operating a "backdoor" between the inorganic and organic realms... 5) as we shift into the post technological era... it is likely this door will be guarded by a mixture of energys from both realms in order to ensure toatals ecurity for the infinite journeys of those able to make the grade!
07-14-2010, 12:00 AM
ChattyNobody wrote:I'm not saying excluding dreaming altogether but downplaying it
I don't intend on downplaying any of it. ChattyNobody wrote:The Dream Hacker leader was murdered by Russian Intelligence and the next one in "rank" had to flee the country, for she was next. I don't recall Don Juan talking about "Russian Intelligence," I'm not interested in this at all. ChattyNobody wrote:Coming out like that IS dangerous. Just keep hiding in your closet then.
07-14-2010, 12:00 AM
ChattyNobody wrote:
You are the one asking for opinions and asking how to do things right. Advising that I don't do it is not an opinion about how to do it, it is an opinion against it, so quit your trolling.
07-15-2010, 12:00 AM
I'm with dreamways on the dreaming thing. I'm not afraid to dream, whatever risks there are... I'm down. Even if i get killed from my dream pursuits. I know that my death is not the end of my life... in one form or another I will live on. I am not afraid to die for my dream pursuits.
07-15-2010, 12:00 AM
Eilias123 wrote:I'm with dreamways on the dreaming thing. I'm not afraid to dream, whatever risks there are... I'm down. Even if i get killed from my dream pursuits. I know that my death is not the end of my life... in one form or another I will live on. I am not afraid to die for my dream pursuits.
I'll quote DJM on this one: "Don't fear the creatures of the Unknown, FEAR THE MEXICANS" Dreaming is not the problem, dull flyer ridden asses are the problem. Personally, I'm not going on the martyrdom road any more.
07-15-2010, 12:00 AM
I'm not going to argue with you. You are seeing things through your own interpretation. I see things different through mine.
07-15-2010, 12:00 AM
Eilias123 wrote:I'm not going to argue with you. You are seeing things through your own interpretation. I see things different through mine.Cool.
07-16-2010, 12:00 AM
"A nagual never lets anyone know that he is in charge. A nagual comes and goes without leaving a trace. That freedom is what makes him a nagual."-----Don Juan
im fairly certain he is refering to... "leaving a trace in your perception" that he is a nagual! The fool would not be any good as a fool.. unless people believed him to be one! by this i am reffering to the stalkers rule" "A stalker never reveals his identity even to himself!" A warrior doesnt lie to himself as he wants his perception of reality to be clear. i believe a stalker is a mystery to himself even though he is honets with himself.. hence it is his deeper mystery... his obscurity to others comes through his deeper mystery to himself! he doesnt try to be innaccessible to their perception through disguise ...he is innaccessible through brutal search for his own deeper nature syncretising with their own... and hence moving the focus to their own issues and lessons ! fake stalkers.. who try to hide in fluidity or in shadow.. are not honest with themselves... they only seek to hide from the perception of others..... and so their central core is still crystatline!
07-22-2010, 12:00 AM
rosygyro wrote:"A nagual never lets anyone know that he is in charge. A nagual comes and goes without leaving a trace. That freedom is what makes him a nagual."-----Don Juan
I don't see the Nagual Church conferring the "Nagual" title on anyone. I believe that one's lineage and one's nagual leader are personal affairs, and only a nagual can entrust another nagual, it is not something done by a committee. Probably something along the lines of "Nagual Minister" or something would be more appropriate for church leaders, as it would only apply to the workings of the church and not to anyone's individual path. If the church was to recognize anyone as a true nagual leader, it would probably be best to do that posthumously, as it is sort of like "sainthood". Sure there are many "double beings" out there, those people who have the potential to become a nagual, but the one's who actually succeed are very rare. The Nagual Church would be an interface between the tonal of nagualists and the tonal of society, a missing link that would serve a particular purpose, it would not try to be everything.
08-11-2010, 12:00 AM
As you know, I am trying to establish anon-profit Nagualist organization
in the united states, and began by calling it the "Nagual Church." Many people have suggested that I change the name to "Nagual Center" or something similar. Please take a moment to voice your opinion on this matter. Thanks, John
08-12-2010, 12:00 AM
The church reference may be negative in reference to a study of mutantism and sorcery.
I would advise a different reference to this new direction Dreamways.
08-12-2010, 12:00 AM
wise ass.. the chiascuro of your picture is almost identical to chattynobody...
08-12-2010, 12:00 AM
Question!
Does a nagual have a position of the assemblage point!? I dont understand if he does! I thought a nagual was a severed being!.. i.e. a being who has been CUT from the tonal.. primarily.. becoming a puppet of the naguals universal focus.. and then becoming severed from the nagual... and becoming a force in action..... neither of these "positions" is actually a position at all.. they are both flows of power! inherant within them is knowledge of assemblage positions.. but i dont remember the nagual having an assemblage position of the nagual!
08-12-2010, 12:00 AM
Nagual LoneWolf wrote:The church reference may be negative in reference to a study of mutantism and sorcery.
I would advise a different reference to this new direction Dreamways. I would say that the CHURCH is only as old as the oldest man or woman who inhabits it! and that all else is death and decay... or indoctrination and prescribed focus... within the problems the word CHURCH brings.. is also a chance to use it as a differentiation point to find inherant awarness within our sorceric focus that precedes the church along different avenues... besides i think that the word church is used because the death defier famously can be found in them.. as well as the fact that until 100 years ago... a vast quantity of men of power.. took on secular religion and positions within religion... in order to be able to seek power .. without being hung drawn and quartered, burned at the stake or hung from the neck until dead.., or tortured etc.. etc... the fact many despicable men of nearly power also joined in order to become above the law, and beyond reproach for crimes of peodophilia, theft, and tyranny.. is another avenue.. the church is full of good and bad.. but thinking is what makes it so!
08-12-2010, 12:00 AM
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08-12-2010, 12:00 AM
rosygyro wrote:Question!
Does a nagual have a position of the assemblage point!? I dont understand if he does! A nagual has a main position of the AP in a place of heightened awareness, though he shifts willingly at any time he wants or sees fit.
08-13-2010, 12:00 AM
Wiseass wrote:
rosygyro wrote: Question! Does a nagual have a position of the assemblage point!? I dont understand if he does! A nagual has a main position of the AP in a place of heightened awareness, though he shifts willingly at any time he wants or sees fit. ~ LOL! Is that so? Kris
08-13-2010, 12:00 AM
That IS the rumor. Those fuckers can lie and be really convincing though. Fuckers.
08-13-2010, 12:00 AM
dreamways wrote:
As you know, I am trying to establish anon-profit Nagualist organization in the united states, and began by calling it the "Nagual Church." Many people have suggested that I change the name to "Nagual Center" or something similar. Please take a moment to voice your opinion on this matter. Thanks, John As stated from Nagual lonewolf, church is not a term with a coherent connection to which we are talking about. Church remember an insitutional organisation based upon centralized power. Church with these meanings remember us also the ancient sorcerers, and their issue for absolute power. Is that you want? if it is no problem. If it is not, change name, Simply. Or...if one day someone will use a morequiet name to *** others....i think that name is nothing if we are able to disconnect form the invetory to which words are chained. You could use also church if you (as a community which use this term shared) are able to think and connect a tomato to church for example, and not only power vertical power, dgmas and any other element related to centuries of years of "churches".
08-13-2010, 12:00 AM
Why dont you make it the NAGUAL THORN INSTEAD!
Forget about buildings inside or outside, physical or cyber space... just have the nagual at the fat end of the thorn where its connected to life...( and further up the yellow rose of tiparet) and matter connected to the only single point..(malkut) that way.. its just a nagual matter point! it leaves no room for negotiation.. it is what it is..! trouble is.. the thorn is the warriors way i suppose! the nagual cant move his assemblage point.. there are many dimensions which the nagual occupies.. but such is his interrelayionship to life... it is not possible for him to use WILL.. only INTENT.. and as his intent is aligned with life .. his assemblage moves like a force of nature... which is why when people try to use will to *** with the nagual... their sorceric body.. depending on wether the nagual can learn anything from their continued lack of intelligent co-operation or true fluidity.. will be torn to ribbons.... each moving with the areas of the naguals focus that he himself has clarified through intent! naguals are really fucking dangerous.. sorcerers are just a nuisance,,,,,
08-13-2010, 12:00 AM
rosygyro wrote:Why dont you make it the NAGUAL THORN INSTEAD!
Forget about buildings inside or outside, physical or cyber space... just have the nagual at the fat end of the thorn where its connected to life...( and further up the yellow rose of tiparet) and matter connected to the only single point..(malkut) that way.. its just a nagual matter point! it leaves no room for negotiation.. it is what it is..! trouble is.. the thorn is the warriors way i suppose! the nagual cant move his assemblage point.. there are many dimensions which the nagual occupies.. but such is his interrelayionship to life... it is not possible for him to use WILL.. only INTENT.. and as his intent is aligned with life .. his assemblage moves like a force of nature... which is why when people try to use will to *** with the nagual... their sorceric body.. depending on wether the nagual can learn anything from their continued lack of intelligent co-operation or true fluidity.. will be torn to ribbons.... each moving with the areas of the naguals focus that he himself has clarified through intent! naguals are really fucking dangerous.. sorcerers are just a nuisance,,,,,Nods. |
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