The Nagual Manuel

[Grand Speculator]

Revenge is oblivion coupled with a good life, me dear Rosy. Heh... my recapitulation must be getting better... I actually like you know. 


Have a nice evening Rosygyro.

[rosygyro]

DASTARDLY and MUTLEY.. never could "STOP THE PIDGEON".

[rosygyro]

Grand Speculator wrote:rosygyro wrote:Ok.. so whos a nagual then..
if he can answer my prayer!???? HMMMMMMMMMM
You seek a nagual, "crazy" seer? Mares isn't good enough? What for?


Sometimes I feel like a nagual... but I know better.

OH.. right... why another nagual!
WELL.. you see within the stalker/dreamer structure of awarness.. ASIDE from predisposition of directions..
There exists a subject called "courier to power"
The courier himself never learns specific directions life after lifetime.. but instead seems to alternate in incarnations.. never developing personal accululated power in a single direction.. BUt instead networking the directions within his or her incarnational knowledge of past lifes..
A courier to power has an exceptional understanding of the power interrelationship within a UNIT of warriors..
but as natural byproduct of this.. also sees how variuos UNITS connect.. regardless of dreaming intent!
AS such and as a COURIER TO POWER..
My JOB.. is to STALK different methods of power or spiritual path>>>
But somehow prevent energetic contamination between different factions of my spiritual learning..
UNTIL such a time as i can CONNECT the TOLTEC UNITS in a manner which relaease the best potential for inntelligenbt co-operation...


So NO i do not seek ONE nagual man...
I seek ONE LINK between all nagual men..
That is beyond the solution to the three riddles..
or at least mandatorily ruled by TIPARET.. before asking forgivness!

[Grand Speculator]

[Wei Shan Yang]

Gonzo wrote:An orgasm is an orgasm - purely physical, having nothing to do with life force.
Possibly the most absurd statement I've ever read. The orgasm (whether brought on physically or not) is our most intense experience of energy.

[rosygyro]

yeah try no to forget that eight thousand well timed orgasms.. resulted in you being here!!!



Any way CC DJ NUT.. I thought when you have a child a portion of your energy is torn from your cocoon..or coat of awarness...



ARE you saying that if your conception occurred in a simoultaneous orgasm... that your coat of energy from birth is undifferent..

to if you were concieved via an artificial method in a fertility clinic..EWWWW!



Maybe thats what you are! An echo of the artificiality of our future!

sexless reproduction within the known..

having existence.. but absolutleey no understanding of polarity!



But hey... You touch my woman again i kill you.. hows that? SINCERITY!

[rosygyro]

But on a serious note!Male infertility in the sorcerer.. and how to deal with life energy in others without losing everything to their youth and vitality!
You see.. You really should listen to my words..


If for instance you actually STUDY the cODEX NUTTAL.. you will find "small penis's" dotted throughout the otherworld sections..
These REPRESENT the sexual energy of DEAD SORCERERS that still lives in our time..
those who have leapt to infinity.. but arnt really technically driving anymore..
YOU MUST if you wish to stay VITAL.. ensure that these energies do not CLASH with your TONAL..


relegating the life of the dead.. on to paths that do not conflict with your own or anyone elses .. i.e. facillitating their leap through time.. by being HOLLOWED OUT by their power...
or to put it bluntly.. being PARSITICLY USED!


. is VITAL if you wish to contact the awarness of the ancients without losing the functions of your sexual power!


sorcery is a fucking minefield of pain and challange..... and you cant duck out once its begun.. but you CAN choose to listen to my ADVICE!

[rosygyro]

sorcery is a fucking minefield of pain and challange..... and you cant duck out once its begun.. but you CAN choose to listen to my ADVICE!......



the dead sorceres mind sees itself as a reflection of the living.. but cannot touch or understand sexual energy becasue it is in the living not in the mind!



You cannot just spend your life being USED by dead entities.. its a tragic waste...



If i was to classify..

Sexual energy.. in the EUNUCH.. or in the castrated.. and where it belongs in a physical body that has no longer any sexual function...



I would have to say..



APPRECIATE- the portion of your heart which WAS involved in sexuality..

APPRECIATE a million hearts are pumping that same blood this very moment..

CONNECT your heart via TIPARET to thsi flow...

and dance climb, paint, sing, play, cook, hell you could even do the SADDHU thing and start winding your cock around a stick in the middle of the high street...

It DOES NOT MATTER!

As long as you facillitate the energy you have tried to deprive yourself of through the challenge of old age and death.. and facillitate it well.. THROUGH the endzone and into the leap to infinity...



otherwise we will all just end up jealous old men! Fuckless twats.. scowling at teenagers..

being called weird and quite possibly smelling a bit like vinegar!

[Guest]

Rosy: If for instance you actually STUDY the cODEX NUTTAL.. you will find "small penis's" dotted throughout the otherworld sections..These REPRESENT the sexual energy of DEAD SORCERERS that still lives in our time..



@Rosy, hahaha I don't know whether to hop on board your crazy train or run away screaming. Just the indecision alone makes me have to ask... so you're saying guys with small penises are dead sorcerers? So by extention would that make large penises a good sign of potential? hahaha this board is getting way off topic but I have to ask, that's just such a far out theory that it begs to be addressed.

[rosygyro]

I would say that..

men with small penis,s tend to get locker shy..

and that the very privation of their own genitals from other men, through keeping them out of sight.. leads to a very weird intelligence..

I would say that men with large penis's have an intelligence which has less genius and more stupid!

becasue their blase-ness in locker room scenarios.. tends to leave themmore expressive than their intelligence necissarily suggests...

but are equally less likeley to be driven to cruelty by their own genital shame!

However this is an analysis.. not taking into account..

actual people who think for a living or who study awarness for the greater good...



personally and as a sorcerer..

I only want my girlfriend to see my cock..

and to be honest im not happy about ex girlfriends even having a memory of it!

(energetic attachment what it is!)





NO the reason i said little penis's is becasue they are about a centimetre long in the codex...

and also as a seer im sure you would rather the energy was retracting hence "little" than "EXPANDING" into your beingness!

but hey thats my opinion through observation! haha..

[rosygyro]

besides.. and heres an interesting thing for you!

Aside from the obvious social connotations of penis size..



the massive social conditioning that piggy backs it in our civilisation IS due to those sorcerers of yesterday who managed to centre themselves in the sexual section of their awarness before death!



poeple have been bombed and blown up vapourised and shot while fucking...

It makes some weird after effects... GHOSTS can do terrible harm if in the wrong place..



Particularly as a ghost is only good at watching! if you get my drift!..



SERIOUS!

[Guest]

I am cracking up. That's such a great explanation. I'm still left a little indecisive on the entire matter but it's funny as hell. Thanks for the laugh, this is the ideal way to start a morning... with laughter. lmao.

[rosygyro]

would you like me to **** in you? or have you had enough?

[Guest]

wtf I had to reread that three times before I got it. No I would not like you to **** in you. PFFT that just sounds horribly dirty. But sure I'd like to see how much more you can destroy this thread before anyone notices. Please, by all means, pave the road of spiritual enlightenment by propping up a seemingly endless display of funny roadsigns. LOL.

[rosygyro]

I really dont see what the problem is!I will explain.. the second coming to you..
or the second innocence as its called..
or even "the age of reason" 


basicly...
if potential intelligenc eis aligned with the east on the habitual position...
in one of the ten worlds termed "the world of assessment"
Then it has the capability.. of shifting SEXUAL FORCE to the east.. i.e. the future...
Future sexuality is ruleed by the children yet to be born..
and as the east is more accessible by the feminine its gates are also ruled by female unknown counterflows to known logic..
I am an easterly seer...
My path was the self destruction of all aspects of myself..
until all that remained of my past was dead.. and all that kept me alive was energy from the future in the form of potential!
It is my purpose and always has been since a child to activate these sexual gates within the habitual position..
THE NET RESULT.
is direct feedback into the HUMAN MIND in the mass known..
allowing a causal adjustment of individual TONAL.. in a sort of AUTOMATIC way!
what this means.. is.. that..
The rapist mind is a magnet for causality in the form of the three riddles mandatory>
as is the peodophiles..
and as is the hypnotists..


The only option within DIRECT FEEDBACK is to either bow out gracefully and accept peace ..
or to enter warriorship...


basicly im a seer and i can see...

[Wei Shan Yang]

The only option within DIRECT FEEDBACK is to either bow out gracefully and accept peace ..

or to enter warriorship...



I say you missed one...which is just to not care, and trust one's own seeing.

[rosygyro]

My seeing says that human spirituality is hapered by the greater need...evolution of seership is dragged back everylifetime by culture itself..
so all research must be directed at the global cause to classify as warriorship for freedom!

[Littlepaw]

heluka wrote:I guess it is cool to have more nagals around. However , I see that most of these nagals, will be hoarding towards the nagal with the most accumulated power.
There is a new Toltec forum headed by Theun Mares. This forum costs money, but is an ultimate trick of the spirit. Also, it is tottally owned by the nagal,
decorated to perfection, and thus permeated by the nagal. The cry of the eagle . awe .
Hello Heluka,
This whole statement was a little cryptic for me.  I wonder if you could explain more about the trick of the spirit?

[shamanka]

. i was a nagual before i did anything else, but in my exploration of different vibrations, i must say the tibetan symbols in tibetan Reiki really resonated with me. You may like to research.could have been the intent of course but for me they glowed violet and gold and I felt them in my 'being'.

[dreamways]

I finally got a reply back from Victor (Manuel) and I was shocked to find out that his middle name is Manuel, which really shows how accurate dreaming can be.  So, the fact that I knew his middle name seemed to impress him, but his view of Nagualism is your average catholic brainwash propaganda, in that he thinks it is strictly for the purposes of "turning into an animal."  Kind of hard to believe I know, that with all the information out there that some people still have views from Spanish Inquisition days, but there it is.  He thinks that the only way to harness his healing energy is through this Chinese methodology trip he's on, and all I could do was tell him that it was him and not the method that was behind his remarkable talents.  It is really shocking to me to think that somebody with his amount of energy would be completely suckered by the Tonal, but he is.  He seems to think that his power is not really available to him if he does not jump through a bunch of hoops and that Nagualism is just some kind of spooky black magic.  I did tell him that the energy of the nagual and that of the heart are the same thing, which is why healing and nagualism go hand in hand, so maybe he will wake up to this fact someday, I guess everybody does this at their own pace.  It seems to me that his Chinese teacher is taking advantage of him though, my guess is he thinks that he can steal some of his power, which is an old Chinese superstition that Howard Lee even believes.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Thanks for the update Dreamways...nagual beings are plentiful, naguals are not.

[Wei Shan Yang]

"nagual beings are plentiful, naguals are not."



I understand this! Put into words so simply what I've been saying in more lengthy ways...that I see many who access the nagual but with ego entanglement which communicates a diluted message still attaching to consensus values, and those who communicate purely from the nagual, are the nagual...so there's a difference but its easy for a nagual being to lead some astray becasue s/he may say truthful things. All in all if we just take time and decide for ourselves I don't think there will be any problems...its all learning. There's no one to follow, true naguals know this, don't lead us astray. And if we know this we will never be lead astray. Its about accessing the nagual, a beingless state.

[Guest]