Self-proclaimed and or internet Naguals

[bluedreamer]

Hearing a lot of dubious talk about the dubious nature of internet and self-proclaimed naguals.
People complaining about spending a some thousand bucks only to find out that their nagual wasn't up to snuff, well, take it as a lesson learned and enough with the complaining! A thousand bucks for volunteers! Is that the new rule?
People belly aching because they won't proclaim themselves--sovereign unto thySelf!
People that don't know they are naked too, its not just the emperor as Nasrudin says!
Thing is at this site there is no charge! Thing is Wolf is lucky when he gets a donation to help keep this site add free for all us posters and posers! Thing is I am getting wiser here while staying aware that I am a mere fool! Proof is tasty pudding! Sometimes sour, sometimes sweet!
It doesn't matter that I can't see to prove the correct # of compartments, personally I don't even care.
One compartment, two compartment , three compartment four, five compartment six compartment 7Nagual knocking at your door--humans of all compartments! 
There is always more to learn!
Thank you for this place to gather Wolf.

[bluedreamer]

I feel I was a little sharp on the thousand bucks part but the Nagual you can't buy or sell

[bluedreamer]

this is a dance

[Nagual LoneWolf]

The term selfproclaimed is one that came into use at Sustained Reaction forum and was used to attack anyone who believed in naguals and or said they were one. One who has the link with the nagual spirit is not proclaimed nor self proclaimed. This description doesn't fit unless the proclaimer knows he/she is false. When the realization comes it is not proclaimed and in fact is hidden by most for fear of being judged as crazy or worse. If a nagual seeks a party of warriors it will soon be found out by the party if the nagaul is false or not. If one seeks money based on being a nagual well that speaks for itself. Naguals are not saints or better, they are most often tortured individuals. The best confirmation would be one tonal and one nagual sides, that of a warrior, for this has the best chance to attain freedom.

[Death Defier]

Mulla Nasrudin, as everyone knows, comes from a country where fruit is fruit and mean is meat, and curry is never eaten. One week he was plodding along a dusty Indian road, having newly descended from the high mountains of Kafiristan, when a great thirst overtook him. "Soon," he said to himself, "I must come across somewhere that good fruit is to be had." No sooner were the words formed in his brain than he rounded a corner and saw sitting in the shade of a tree a benevolent-looking man with a basket of fruit in front of him. Piled high in the basket were huge, shiny red fruits. "This is what I need," said Nasrudin. Taking two tiny coppers from the knot at the end of his turban, he handed them to the fruit-seller. Without a word, the man handed him the whole basket, for this kind of fruit is cheap in India, and people usually buy it in smaller amounts. Nasrudin sat down in the place vacated by the fruiterer and started to much the fruits. Within a few seconds, his mouth was burning. Tears streamed down his cheeks; fire was in his throat. The Mulla went on eating. An hour or two passed, and then an Afghan hillman came past. Nasrudin hailed him, "Brother, these infidel fruits must come from the very mouth of Sheitan!" "Fool!" said the hillman. "Hast thou never heard of the chillis of Hindustan? Stop eating them at once, or death will surely claim a victim before the sun is down." "I cannot move from here," gasped the Mulla, "until I have finished the whole basketful." "Madman! those fruits belong in curry! Throw them away at once." "I am not eating fruit any more," croaked Nasrudin, "I am eating my money."
--Idries Shah's "The Pleasntries of the Incredible Mulla Nasrudin
Comment:
If you ****, it's ok. Everybody makes mistakes, but cut your losses and move on. Don't take them with you.

[rosygyro]

I love this site!

And i apologise if i sound arrogant or sarcastic...

i do not use will to move my assemblage point!

and it is always a happy medium between expressing power..

and the position no-one else would occupy!!!

so i can be extreme! apologies!"

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Rosygyro the mysteries of the universe and its many types of beings inorganic and organic creates so many different intents. We all are here to discover, wonder and absorb. The laws are ever changing and nothing remains but energy.

[rosygyro]

Do you see EVOLUTION in the inorganic world?

do the inorganics have a sensation of east west north and south?

If the inorganics run side by side with humans...

it must be in their best interests for eternity.. for mankind to survive its current awarness struggles..?

I wonder how an inorganic being DIES.. or is transmutated into a different waveform!

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Evolution? Yes, they evolve and we are not always their topic of interest. The universe is predatory and food is of two types: awareness and energy. We have both and thus attract feeders like the flyers. As for a sense of direction? They travel and have a need to know. Some run side by side and have been with the human species since the beginning. Most shun us. If mankind were to disappear they would repopulate like they did in the ancient times. An inorganic can die. I've killed a few..

[rosygyro]

Oh i didnt wonder if you could kill them!

I wondered if they die!

OLD AGE!

not of murder!"£

[Nagual LoneWolf]

There are old inorganics...they mostly remain in one spot and disguised themselves to avoid being eaten or killed by other inorganics. There are powerful ones that grow stronger after each human they have fed on. They go from body to body and lived for many thousands of years.

[Lunoor]

Hey. this thread is taking an interesting turn, i want to hear some more about Ib too.

[rosygyro]

These are of the style that convince human philosophical types that they are time travellers ..yes!
and also the ones that form a bolus of awareness in the westerly woman..
essentially giving them awarness of collective.. but ultimatley only for the purpose of feeding the inorganic at their centre of their mind group!..
Ive had relationships with two westerly women ten years and a hundred miles apart...
yet i find it infuriating that they think they are the same sorceress...
The tradegy is that the style of subconsious fear an inorganic can produce in the feminine mind is so wrenchingly difficult to comphrehend.. that it seems only serious warrior women will ever escape..
"SHE".
 i have met ONE NAGAL WOMAN.. who preffered to warrior her way through "SHE".. and retain her strength... she just stayed her ground eyes wide open.... because she knew it was the most amazing gift she could make to her friends and family.....
but still this inorganic i describe...could still be attenuated..
the fact that it does inhabit two women i know.. ten years and a hundred years apart...
makes it perfect for time and space theorem ! as well as sexual history re-capitualtion!
Ultimatley.. ithink even the inorganic that seems to create the westerly mans focus.. is still able to be attenuated... but the westerly man must shift the focus himself!.. which is not an easy teaching to convey..
Do these very old humans.. who have lived for so long do so with the aid of inorganics.. or do they do it pureley by assemblage movement?

[rosygyro]

they both in seem to think they are the same sorceress.. yet i see the inorganic that lives between them..
i dont know why it does this ..
i presume so that people such as myself will tear their hair out at how infuriating it is..
and hence give the inorganic.. energy in the form of "common sense" about the structure and relative placement of worldly events...
essentially this inorganic.. feeds on ME.. but in the process forces me to make concrete statements about TIme , the feminine, and geography!
its almost like its trying to make me tear it into SEGMENTS!.. so that it ceases to be a single thing anymore!
i have never killed an inorganic.. but i have definatley walked one to death...or at least walked it until it didnt have enough other human minds to carry it! so its food source dried up..( as i was in a liminal warrior area of the assemblage that no man in his right mind would occupy by choice.. it just swayed.. like a hybrid semi transparent football mascot costume.. and sort of fell through me onto the floor! which is what i wanted to do.. but it fell first! hee hee!
i also once wrestled a giant Jellyfish creature for about three days in waking reality.. to start with its electric driving centres terrified me utterly... but eventually... after spending an afternoon trying to physically shapeshift into a  23foot jellyfish.. to see what my parents thought when they found it in the kitchen... it just died.. and stayed in place all wet on the tiles.
its still there in "the otherworld kitchen" . it wont seem to disintegrate... and no-one really knows what to do with it!
absoluteley mental!
I sort of presume its now a form of otherworld strength! It cant feed on me anymore can it! I wouldnt exactly call it a flier!" but what the hey!
if it was a flier it would be funny...but the flier i met when i was early castaneda studying.. was at night and was a quick dark dark green shadow.. it had only a spiritual form.. but still reminded me of a panther or something! It was next to a vintage white car with dark tinted windows at night in a field.. and to be honest i sort of rebelled against my own power to stay in control and half hopped and half "jogged" away in mild panic!".. ..but that was the first one i met.. so standing my ground was possibly not expected of me!" "tensegrity in wilderness locations"
followed by liquid mescaline...... ahh the folly of youth.. when you imagine these things wont alter you intrinsicly forever!... basicly i spent a day and half talking to meadow grass smoke burning on geometrically perfect log fires and watching eternal patterns in the synchronised patterns of midges ( little mosquitos)...contemplating the strange eagle, stars, crescents and parrallell linesof reality material as they converged accross our milkyway! I then tried to elope accross country with strangers but couldnt quite relegate the fact that my then girlfriend was looking really pissed with me for not really having a clue what reality actually was! I then accidently found someone elses thrown away wet clay "disposable fetish" and picked up a huge amountof unnecissary spiritual pain while being chased by angry bees. That was the start of my warriorship! The next day i spent jumping accross rocks like don genaro.. trying to get my tentacles to operate and being laughed at by my mates for being weird..
Since then i would have to say... that crushing all your negative energy into a ball of wet clay and chucking it at a rock to get rid of it is particularly irresponsible when there are kids around!.. and if anything eating the clay would be much more ZEN!
equally... some people may look like shaman, act like shaman and speak like shamen....for which i am ETERNALLY gratefull!"
Ping!

[rosygyro]

because i am an easterly SEER.. i dont have the same proclivity to harbouring experience and personal power as other seers... I see energy as forever new..and i frequently find that the TIMELEY expression of experiences.. allows influx of new experience...hence if you are disturbed or offended by my very frequent postings on this thread.. i assure you i do it out of expressive need rather than to troll or bamboozle!
nine years ago.. i was almost drowned by a spiritual creature in portugal \i am uncertain wether it was a dead sorceric entity.. or an water based inorganic...
i was quite niaive at the time.. and had been travelling for several weeks...
portugal has many man made lakes.. consisting of dammed up quarries... they rareley contain bio-diversity.. as they are less than a century old..
in reterospect i was extremeley nervy several times swimming in different lakes.. pureley because they seemed so barren beneath the surface...
not that i am scared of fish, or monsters.. but something was evil about the nature of these artificial waters..... like the land.. didnt understand how they came to be!... and so didnt recognise their contents....
i was partially aware of the same flier in a particular lake... with huge cubes of quarried stone underwater in steep slopes toward its almost bottemless depths.. as usual i scrabbled out of the water as i became nervy...as happens with me and scary things..
further down portugal in a place called zambujeria... we came accross a washing and swimming opportunity in a man made concrete canal...
needing to be clean.. and being quite foolish... i stripped to shorts and covered myself in soap... offered myself to the spiritual world for cleansing.. and dove into the canal... I had swum.. possibly three metres along a 30 degree angle toward the canal bed.. when a sorcereric ghost hit me!...>>>
Blinding colours... patterns and deafness consumed me totally... as its awareness wrestled my being and i lost consciousness!
SOME TIME LATER... There existed a creature... it was composed of patterns, and colours and awareness,, it had been like this for an eternity.. it was happy...... then all of a sudden oneday it heard a noise.. like children chuckling!! then it heard a splashing sound!!!!!then to its surprise... it opened "eyes" and dicovered it was ME drowning in a canal......
I was sort of spasticly swimming with my body... but yet again my friends were watching and laughing at me,,,as they just thought i was doing a "funny swim" just for them!... My lips were blue.. after possibly 30 seconds in warm fresh water... I had to scull on my back along the concrete canal wall to a flute i could use to climb out again!""
I was in shock for several days.... and yet again i am gratefull that i synthesized the creature into my sorceric MEST BOLUS.. rather than the other way around..
which would have had me dead!".
I had met an eighty year old sorcerer earlier that day called peter... he painted mandalas on postcards for a living! It is possible the entity that hit me was an aspect of his awarness.. as we collided in the sorcerers world..... the fractal patterns were a clue.. I will post one of his pictures..

[Lunoor]

I am not disturbed or offended by your posts rosy, usually find them very interesting.



That's a beautiful mandala, rather somber...

[rosygyro]

he had a son who lived locally he mentioned him!

[HerbaMatey]

Its good to know SR will never win.

Hah, I remember battling in that plce years ago!



That's about when I learned in regards to the shamanic teachings one can totally falsify them in their mind and find tons of supporting evidence and one can totally validate them in their mind and get tons of synchornicities in their life to support it.



I've never felt required to believe in anyone or anything, and in point of fact I don't, and so this has allowed my life to be full of inexplicable events supporting the truth of shamanic powers for over 9 years now.

[SelfHealedMadman]

~
Life itself is the guru, existence itself is the guru.  
When life calls you, don’t remain frozen. Listen to the call, be adventurous, and go on the unknown, uncharted ways of life.  
As Brother Jed says, “Further.”  
Only a brave wo/man is courageous, because s/he goes on the most uncharted journey – without any maps and without any paths – and nobody to lead you! Nobody is there in front of you to lead you! – only life... and life never shouts, it only whispers. Unless you are very attentive, tuned in, and turned on, you will not be able to understand the little, small, still voice. It is the guru, it is the Nagual.  
If you find a wo/man and you feel that you have found your Nagual, that simply shows that in his voice, in his being, there is a reflection of that still, small voice of the Spirit. The guru outside you is but a mirror.  
S/he reflects you, reflects the Spirit. And the real Nagual will throw you back to yourself. The real guru will not bind you to himself, because the real guru is life itself, the real guru is the Spirit itself.  
You are shopping for a guru, and it is a supermarket. There are many gurus in the world, and how can you just decide that this wo/man is the right one?  
When you are pulled towards guru’s, you have a strange feeling. The feeling is that you are being pulled towards them and at the same time you are being pulled inwards – a very strange paradoxical phenomenon as the closer you come to your guru, the closer you come to yourself. The more you become attracted towards the guru, the more you become independent. The more you become surrendered to the guru, the more you feel that you have freedom you never had before.  
If you are pulled towards a wo/man and that pull creates a slavery, that is not the guru. That wo/man may have charisma, may have magnetic power – maybe his great intelligence, his physical beauty, or his sheer vitality pulls you – but you will be going away from yourself. It will be an infatuation. You will be obsessed with this wo/man, and you will be off your center.  
Avoid such people; these are the greatest mischief-mongers in the world. Adolf Hitler, Napoleon, Alexander – these are the people who have created great havoc, because people feel tremendously attracted and people feel like surrendering.  
Remember, if your surrendering gives you freedom, then the man is a guru, a Nagual. If your surrendering makes you a slave, makes you a robot – as all the followers of Adolf Hitler were turned into mechanical robots.... They lost their souls; he simply exploited their souls. They lost all their awareness.  
This happens in the spiritual world also, because these charismatic people are everywhere. So make it a criterion inside: if by the presence of your guru, of your Nagual, you are becoming freer and freer, more and more independent; by surrendering, the paradox is happening – that by surrendering you are gaining more Power, by surrendering you are becoming powerful not impotent – then you are near the guru.  
The guru is one who pulls you towards himself just to throw you back into your own being. He functions as a mediator; via the guru, you arrive at your own self. Because you cannot go directly, he helps you via him. But his whole effort is to make you yourself.  
A true guru will never impose himself upon you. He will never impose his life-style on you. He will never give you any rigid discipline. He will not enforce anything on you, regiment you. He will not try to create soldiers of you. No, he will help you to become yourself. He will help you to be yourself, whatsoever that is. He will help to give you more and more understanding about yourself. You will become more and more centered, rooted, near him. More and more you will feel he has given you back to yourself – that which was lost or forgotten, he has made you aware of it.  
Let me mention one thing. In the East they have been making a distinction between a teacher and a Master or Nagual. The teacher is one who teaches, of course; and the Master or Nagual is one who does not teach.  
Then what does a Nagual do? A teacher teaches; he believes in teaching – he believes that truth can be taught. Of course this is basically wrong. Truth cannot be reduced to language, truth cannot be reduced to concepts, so how can it be taught? Truth cannot be expressed, nobody has ever been able to express it, so how can it be taught? The teacher himself has not known yet. The teacher is as unaware as the taught. With the teacher, you become a student, so whatsoever he has accumulated, he goes on transferring it to you. It is transference of information.  
A Nagual never teaches, but you can catch something from the Nagual. Truth cannot be taught but can be caught. The Nagual.... His very being, his very presence. His every gesture – the way he looks at you, the way he walks. The WAY he talks – not what he says, not the content – but the way he talks. The way he keeps quiet, the way sometimes he falls silent. Something between the words and something between the lines.  
The teacher exists in the words; the Nagual exists between the words – the gaps, the intervals. The teacher has something to teach you; the Nagual has something which if YOU want you can take but he cannot teach.  
If you are ready you can partake of it.  
If you are thirsty you can quench your thirst. It is not a communication. It is a communion. Between a teacher and a student there is communication; between a Nagual and the disciple there is a communion, transference of energy.  
Something mysterious passes, and the disciple become pregnant with the unknown.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Very nice post SHM..I'm very impressed with the magnitude of your posts. Such advice should be well heeded by those who seek teachers or naguals to be more specific. A nagual will always learn from a person who seeks him/her.

[HerbaMatey]

So are ya'll really searching for this nagual/guru? Or is it just perhaps that sheisty ones keep showing up so your warning people off? Perhaps it is one of these things can never arrive while you still search.



I've traveled the country and scanned the web for years. There are none. Just us.

[rosygyro]

Ive been tackling that inorganic being i mentioned earlier...

It is rife where i come from.. within the witchy women of Britain!

It seems SHE... " as an aspect of the death defier... has an immense capacity to love... and is a well grounded being in intent!

however she gets jealous of herself through the eyes of her followers....

hence although all these people share a spiritually powerful base in this lifetime...

they themselves as corporeally concerned individuals.. are constantly thwarted by aspects of the deathdefier as it seeks to understand

time , space and sexuality better!

Pretty much innerspace is a sentient god,,, but the mannikin mortal or witch is at the behest of intelligent co-operation with the central being to prevent clashes within personality types...

when the death defier gets jealous of herself SHE,,infuriatingly breaks "loving connections" so they can be re-built again...

only this time incorporating her contentment!

[Eilias123]

How's this for a quote Self Proclaimers:
"A nagual never lets anyone know that he is in
charge. A nagual comes and goes without leaving a trace. That freedom is what
makes him a nagual."-----Don Juan





 Hahaha! there you go!!!

[snowblind]

"The guru outside you is but a mirror. "

The guru outside you is but a mirror....the God outside you is but a mirror, a mirror reflects you and who you are....The mirror already IS you....which means that all you have to do is recognize it, embrace it, live it. Easy words said, not easy words understood...Namaste my brother

[Gonzo]

Just keep the Windex handy.