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Nagual LoneWolf wrote:
Don Juan had power spots to make the nagual connections. Most naguals within their cities with pavement and disconnected people all around them would barely
perform. The nagual is out there..in the quiet spots, where there are no cars, no smog, no evils of mankind, only by accessing the power spots can a nagual
achieve higher evolution...and after saying that..I know the spirit is everywhere but to achieve inner silence seek it within and without.
Yep, I can't see how anyone would not benefit by intending to find their power spots.
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Bob May wrote:
So this plane, the physical plane, is the beginning of the "Infernal Tree". And ruled by a world system which is governed by demons. Which, by the
way, explains somewhat why Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world."
The belief is that because of the Fall, the universe is "out of balance" but that the lower planes will at some time be absorbed, so to speak.
Energy being what it is, nothing will be lost, just changed. This will restore the balance. The lower planes and their inhabitants will also be absorbed.
And so there are "permanent" and "temporal" planes. The permanent planes are referred to as heaven or heavens and the temporary as Earth.
The Goal, in effect, is to escape the temporary planes. Demons do not have that choice because they were cast out because of pride (self-importance) and lost
their first estate. That is why they hate humanity. Because they know that they have but a short time, whereas humanity has a choice.
...what is your source of Power?" ... When I stopped the world, many years ago it was a frightening experience. Reaffirmations became constant and the
main question on my mind was, who is sending the messages?
This may be the crux of the issue here.
Who is sending the messages?
What is your source of Power?
It may very well be that the answer may be different for different individuals.
It may also be different for the same individuals at different times of their lives.
Later on in another reply you mention:
More like, Be careful what you wish for because you may be getting something different and thinking you are getting what you asked
for.
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You are very wise, for very few ever reach this point of understanding and knowledge. I believe many, once they have left this earth, will be surprised when
their spirits are alligned with those things that they worshipped as their "God" while here on this plane. It is in effect, the law of restoration
at play, through our own individual choices. We will be in a familiar surroundings with people who thoughts and choices are like ours. In this plane (earth),
it is also what we chose to side with. We will be with the thought systems and values we cherish and uphold. Quite simple really. But many do not understand
the eternal repercussions of this simple truth and yet is simply where we would feel most comfortable.
Add to all of this your quote "Your line about Be careful what you wish for because you may be getting something different and thinking you are getting
what you asked for." And two eternal counsels come to mind. When Jesus said: "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth
unto life, and few there be that find it." "Woe unto them that call evil good and good evil; that put darkness for light and light for darkness,
bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! It takes true and sound wisdom to be able to discern these things. Many will be deceived and will pass into the next
realm unprepared!
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Bob May wrote:
"My opinion is that all magic comes from the physical/hell realms. The power of angels is not magic based. So, if the Qabala really is a "system of
magic", then it woulf have to have crawled out of the same hole as nagualism. Not that it's bad, I'm just saying that magic is not taught by the
"beings of light," at least not the ones who want to stay lit. "
The Qabala is not a system of magic, but can be used in that way. It is the study of the "Tree of life" a glyph that maps out the universe so to
speak, relationships between powers so to speak. The physical/hell realms as you call them are but the lowest rung of the ladder, there being ten in all with
the unknowable beyond that. The realms of Magic are included in the entire scheme but are a small portion of the entire Tree.
There are different forms of magic and different souces of Power. There is Mysticism which attempts always to go "to the source of things. There are
higher and lower Astral light Realms. There are realms of physical and lower realms.
I do not mess with magic. I meditate and seek understanding and wisdom. My teacher was a healer, he was interested in power for that purpose and also wisdom
and understanding.
The value of the study of the Tree is to know where to go to find what you are looking for. I seek answers and experience. Without that how would I know what
to do with power?
"As far as energetic transmissions go, I think that if you just let yourself feel the nature of the message, your body knows who sent it."
I think that is true to some extent, but I also use the stories of the Patriarchs, the teachings of Jesus and Paul as guides.
If all things don't "jibe", I know there is something wrong.
My teacher was an aeronautical engineer before he was a minister. He used the analogy that the Bible was the engineer's handbook and the Qabala was his
slide rule.
It is actually one system, each explains and enhances the other.
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I am glad that you are on this site as your words speak truth to my spirit. I too believe that a variety of forms of power exist, but have chosen to use and
side with the power of God and of light...ONLY! Though written words on the page, I feel spiritually alligned with the words you have penned. Thank you.
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the nagals a force that makes evolution possible! without it we would still be munching berries off the stalk!
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Blue totem wrote:
You vision of things is kinda dark. To say that we are part of hell is very negative.
But in a way it`s not completely impossible, when we consider all the suffering and pain on this earth...
Are you saying the nagual is a jinn? Isn't the nagual God in essence?
Yes, I'm presenting a side of things in a manner that is not sugar-coated. (Since I'm not selling anything, I don't have to worry about packaging
my message in way that has "mass appeal.") The pre-Islamic pagans of Babylon are the people that I admire most in history, as I believe they had the
clearest understanding of the Nagual, so, really, one man's hell is another man's heaven. Sorcery, like that Nagual, is inorganic(inorganic beings are
what are referred to as "Jinn" in the Middle-East.) The difference between the two is that Sorcery is the combination of Human and Inorganic energy,
whereas Nagualism is the melding of Inorganic and Divine energy, pretty much leaving the Human part out of the equation. Don Juan said "The old sorcerers
were after the human unknown. We are after the nonhuman unknown." and I don't believe he was kidding at the time. Here, below, is a symbol of
inorganic beings and their energy, a black upright triangle. If it was a white upright triangle, it would represent Angels, or even the Human Soul.
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Glad to see you found your way here Voicemorph..welcome to Shamanic Warrior.
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don't think i'll visit often, i'm on my own board now, and have found the avatar chane chge change
btw aisha or so, is she nice?
or just stupid?
and why all those animals, flies and rats, in the people?
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I read that remark about the 'Infernal Tree'. As a former Christian, I learned the idea that Earth is enemy territory, due to Satan being sent here
after rebellion.
The question is, who, or what, created Satan and the demons? Can there be any existence outside of God, and if there is, does that not diminish the power of
God, meaning that there must be some other entity , besides God, with at least some power to create and oppose God?
Did don Juan address these things, such as good and evil? What did Castaneda write on the subject? Was Castaneda a demon? don Juan?
I do agree that one should be careful in what is wished for, as you may just get it. Speaking of Satan, I learned that truth is truth, regardless of the
source. So , if Satan speaks the truth, it is no less truth just because Satan said it.
Satan, hmmm. Is that a second, lower level god? A pretender to the throne, perhaps.
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I think the story your looking for.. relates to the origin of the current awareness mankind has!. It is obvious we do not share the mindstyle of either the
ancient tibetans, the ancient egyptinans, or the ancient aztec and mayan people...
stories such as relating to the twelve tribes of isreal speak of an initial divide that came from a common origin!...cave paintings of men in spacesuits.. and
remarkable engine style glyphs point to an ancient form of supertechnology on our planet!
All we can say for certain is that mankind has a form of mind today, from which something has been lost or hidden for a purpose unknown!
It is mans natural tendency to achieve totality of the self ... so a natural part of his learning is not only to evolve as say knowledge would through a
lifetime, but also to sift his inherant awareness for knowledge as to how we came to be marooned in this world we inhabit!
our search for knowledge is always answered by the nagal.... demons give us clues to our origin... we cannot explain them as they come from the arcane past!
but their presence stirs mankind into learning new tricks... how to evolve beyond the mud and straw of the underworld for instance....
maybe oneday we will have the technology to understand from where we came... and the demons... will become the known force they are .... rather than a topic of
superstitious nonsense!
The trouble with Satan is IT is stupid beyond measure! IT only takes a bitter man to access IT for IT to become a painful force on the lives IT has no real
concern for!... IT may speak the truth as such... .. but IT does fall under the same category as the saying!..
"Its not guns that kill people, people kill people,"....
the trouble is satan is an evolving force as well!.. and although ITS force has been tapped by the bitter and the weak for thousands of years...!
it only takes the lightest of touches for IT to become intelligent!.A touch which is now due.. i believe!...
I doubt at this point satan will suddenly and without warning start dragging HISOWN worshippers under the earth with claws of magical steel or anything! that
would be kinda creepy!....I just doubt IT will support the evil doers anymore! meaning they will have to walk on their own two feet! (something they have not
done since the tribes split).
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Actually, I don't believe in satan or demons. What I was speaking to was the nature of previous posts. My view is that, for instance, if somone wants to
kill me, whether as a sacrifice for an Aztec god or whatever, I am still dead, I still suffer the pain of such a death. So, I was being a bit sly.
Don Juan, according to Castanedsa, said that all things are equal, no good, no evil, just energy, functions. This is actually an old arguement; the idea
being that it is US, and our use and relationship to that energy, that determines good and evil. The cat kills a mouse, the wolf kills a rabbit, that is how
it is designed, without moral purpose. As living beings , it is OUR purpose to survive. This universe is full of predators; the good stalker learns the habits
of predators and prey in order to find sustenance and not BECOME sustanance. Hunter/Prey
Certainly, the misunderstanding of our place in reality diminishes our ability to survive, leads us into disasters. A Seer knows. He has no questions as to
what is what. So, one adjusts his Assemblage Point away from false beliefs, and towards clarity of existence.
As I said, I am a Former Christian, a serious Bible student, who came to an end of such things. I enjoyed DJ's remarks about avoiding Morbidity, and
have found the Bible to be much too Morbid. There is another way, another place on the energy configuration of the 'luminous egg'.
Oh, my question still remains. If there is a Satan, if there is evil, where did it come from? Conventional belief says the God created all, so did God make
mistakes? Did God create Satan? Or is Satan from another universe, an alien intruder?
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Satan ... the one who takes the blame for what the Flyers get people to do. 'He' seems to be the essence of all that is not in harmony with the path
with Heart
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Satan can coexist with our beliefs. Is there Demons incluing one named Satan? I believe so and have encountered demons many times. As for Satan, I asked one
night for him to come and he did. Fortunately I survived the encounter. Evil exists, but in a predatory universe evil can be misunderstood as to its intent. A
animal kills for food, a human will torture and kill for no other reason than being evil.
Did God create all? That pushes us into a discussion of is there a "god"? I believe there are many unseen beings, forces, spirits, demons,
angels/protectors, allies, aliens etc. in our universe we share with them.
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The question to me is, what do people want out of Nagualism? What would be your preferred outcome, as a result of following this path.
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Ah Nagualism...words come like "freedom, awareness, ability, new ways to learn and grow, worlds to explore, understanding human beings..etc"..What do
I expect? Self awareness and answers to my search for what I am.
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Oh yes..OUTCOME...surviving death has always been the reason I study nagaulism.
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Nagual LoneWolf wrote:
Oh yes..OUTCOME...surviving death has always been the reason I study nagualism.
Yes, the afterlife and nagualism seem to go hand in hand. Probably because nagualists have the potential of seeing the afterlife in the most concrete way
possible. Being in the nagual gives one the opposite view of death that one has while using reason, in that reason does not comprehend surviving death. But,
unlike the usual religious perspective, the nagual does not require faith, as everything it is about can be experienced. So, if somebody is taking nagualism
on faith, then they don't actually have any connection to it at all.
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The question to me is, what do people want out of Nagualism? What would be your preferred outcome, as a result of following this path.
Okay Dreamways, for me?
The adventure of exploring the Nature and Realities.
Mastery of Being and Communion with Spirit and the 'Eagle'
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Nagual originates from the term nahualli usually referring to a person with magical powers or practicing sorcery. It also happens to refer to the animal spirit of a certain human after the birth date using Tonalpohualli or Tzol'kin for the first derives from the second as it remained preserved orally amongst the meso-american inhabitants. For they were mostly hunters - gatherers and lived in harmony with the nature just as early civilisations everywhere. Important to such calendar is mostly that it also may help calculate the date of a conception, for it represents human gestation. Opinions as it derives form dark magical practices and dark sorcerers is not accurate but people usually fear what they do not know or understand do not even try to see if they are right or wrong. Yet most discoveries on this path were made by those that used magic in the wrong way, well if you can get something easy regardless of what why should you bother take the long hard way basic human psychology.
People want out of nagualism retty much they seek it out for the same basic reason, mostly for it seems another way to be "better" or above the rest, since Carlos Castaneda made it public it gathered many followers. But that is what who wrote them intended in my opinion at least, which was also the intent of those that preceded him: make what a few were hiding, public so everyone will have an opportunity to understand and live a way of life long forgotten. For it is part of what i know and previously suspected many wanted even before the writings well about at least a century back, many searching around the initiates in some sort of magic, illumination and knowledge had it's boom after the massive industrialization early 1900. Kinda the twisted version of superman and wonderwoman available to all, especially if it helps get a nice long life with energy body's energy preserved, which will automatically lead to maintaining a healthy physical body as consequence.
But as it is a strange path like all the others many read it some understand it yet almost none lives it so at the and is just another major bshit. The spirit, the nagual, the eagle, the world itself destroyes the reality and sometimes even the life of those that search nagualism for the wrong purpose. Humans normally react to it depending on their basic personality which is consequence of their energy body's configuration some must be lured then left alone to manage and fight some must be tended to. There are only for basic human types and the books Carlos wrote address all of them in different passages , he spoke to everyone every type of humans not really thinking about having tons of followers but because it was his task, his destiny, his meaning, his reason to exist on this planet.
Afterlife oh yes, humans aspiration since the dawn of time well if we screw this one up we reincarnate and make it all better, this is what a friend told me he is on another knowledge path i will not discuss here some yrs ago. What a change from the old already well known path of Christianity so they become even more interesting " better" the "Lambs" of god the nice ones from Jesus's flock. Well being nice and kind is so past date, do whatever have no regrets in case it does turn out crappy you reborn no more heaven no more hell no demons burning you for being naughty. Yet what comes out from the book it is that never once the teacher Don Juan dis-considers other paths he actually recognizes their merit and skills that may develop as consequence of real heartfelt practice. Always discourages young Carlos's "leave it on another day" attitude such he calls him "Insolent immortal creature" and asks him to act now for there is no tomorrow you screw up today it won't be one. There are no bad guys no good guys either you follow the spirit or you don't which second alternative will mean the end of everything you have thus death sooner or later, mortal death you did all in vain for the eagle does not give second chances you lost one farewell, you will get another chance reborn you start a new one. I prefer this one and now, i do not seek anything out of nagualism to be honest since for me it worked, i just hope i can live with it for it changed me to the core of my being. I do not seek life i do not seek death i seek the now and me, i do not even seek knowledge it comes by itself not pleasant most of the times, i do not seek awareness since the eagle ate mine nasty bird, i seek only now and myself always for me changes as now changes.
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I liked Carlos very much his books are a constant link to power and the spirit. Well i have some answers, but not sure anyone cares i personally don't give a damn.
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PerSyd wrote:
I liked Carlos very much his books are a constant link to power and the spirit. Well i have some answers, but not sure anyone cares i personally don't give a damn.
Heh. I would think if you truly didn't give a damn, you would not say so publicly. That being said, I care. You've posted some insightful stuff on other threads and I'm interested in what you have learned.
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Knowledge can be a like a double bladed sword. It does not matter to me, believe it or not i do not care i posted cause some might have find it useful. Since the amount of aberration posted on forums as this one and others like it is huge well, thought maybe someone would like to know. Why so much interest in my knowledge i wander, but i will still continue, ask specifically what and i tell last thing i was searching was Chac Mool.
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There are many divisions in the dreamworld in between them two
large fractions of males and two large fractions of female whom some
may know as the black fist and another whom many may know as elves.
Black fists males whom i call Fedaykin and their female
similar the Shedim all this have a mark on their left hand or their
left wrist most commonly dyed black that is how dreamers perceive them
and call them Black fists. They do not live together: male live in some
sort of a cavern on a mountain cliff and women live in a huge bee hive
like structure that is purple to me. This is their world of Niflheim of hell as most humans know it.
The other large male division
is hands of god for their hands are like rays the males i call Einherjar
and their female similar whom i call Valkyrie all this have their hand
white or well bright that is dreamers perceive them and call them Hands
of god, Elfs, atlants, asgard. This do not live together either, males live in some
sort of structure that looks like a hut dark brownish and women live in
a huge beehive that is golden amber to me.This is their world of Asgard or heaven as most humans know it.
The difference between
them is that the first group worships the female power of the Kali or
Hell , regardless of their reason to do such while the others worship
the male power of Odin or Marduk. Neither are right and most of the
times their occupation is to fight one another for reasons just as
foolish as their worship. Most end up there for taking sides and
wanting more that they need and also have the same habit of scratching
and hurting whomever is in their way.
The naguals path excludes
both from the start as untrue and just another version of each other.
That is my path also i do not take sides but whomever does falls in
their paws eventually. They are the a real version of good and evil
both fight mostly, both kill by intent both do more harm then help. As
nagualists we are neutral thus we do not end never will assist them
otherwise then spectators to avoid eb harm and physical body harm. The wounds they create looks like a scratch if done by a black fist and looks like a burn if created by the elves. Each can be healed in different ways The wounds they cause can heal differently the ones cause by the "devils" with deciduous tree if one wants to help, and the ones cause by "angels" with small aromatic plants if one wants to help and also sometimes a healer may help in fixing hurt ebs.
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