The Origin of the Nagual

[Guest]

Once upon a time a very very long time ago, when the gods walk this
earth everything was different. There was magic everywhere in the air
earth water fire and everywhere in between. Not the pragmatic over
stuck up world of today but a world where everything was possible, just
as possible as eating a fast food meal today. Some imagine the world
was very peaceful and friendly and the predator and the pray slept in
the same place and the humans were very nice and happy and lived in
harmony with everything. Except no one would believe such **** for
whenever a jaguar sleeps next to an antilope one ends up as supper and
it usually is not the jaguar. Did anyone see pigeons fly next to an
eagle, or just the eagle chasing them until none remains, hmm call them
lunch. Well it's kinda the same with humans does anyone believe in
humans living in harmony, did humans of different types live in
perpetual bliss in any age? Not really so in the magical time when the
gods walked the earth it was pretty much the same, i feel very inspired
since i read some posts on this thread.
Once upon a time, when
the gods walked this earth well many impossible things today were
possible. One was immortality but did anyone wander how did humans or
well the old sorcerers get it? When one of the gods found one of his/her
shrine maidens raped and killed by some very bad bad humans he/she was
very angry and thought to destroy them. He/she jumped into sleep as soon
as he/she found her and took her back also with her the two offspring of
the humans but while giving birth his/her maiden died and he/she was crushed
deeply she was gone in the flesh now and well the reason for her death
was one ... to be like them god like. The other gods also lost their
favorite human around the same time so deeply hurt they thought they
might as well leave humans for good and never return to them for the
ones they love and the ones they hate keep tormenting and killing eachother
endlessly. So they at first they wanted to destroy all the bad that was in
the world but thinking better they gave the bad bad humans their curse
... immortality. How would it be too see all generations pass and born
again for thousands and thousands of years well the bad bad humans who
wanted it so bad found out eventually. Wanna know how they tricked the
gods and escaped their curse? They stayed and stayed in the dreamworld
for hrs and hrs at the time sometimes waking up for one hr a day then
one hr every two days then a week and so on until they had nothing to
come back too, their flesh was dead thus they continued to live there
that is how the two large fractions begun to exist.  
Then one
day long after they have all passed and the gods almost forgot they all
existed, and lived their lives by passing as humans well guess who they
meet. In a temple not very far away from where they were living and
where they payed respects like all of the time the gods see the shrine
maiden that was the cause of the their wrath. The nice innocent shrine
maiden was not working there, but as they followed her they found out
she was the wife a well known general in a very big army. And they
sought out the rest for they split to track all the characters from the
story and well in another small country some very poor man were in
listing for the army because there were rumors that the country near by
was to invade them. They do not interfere just watch what happens the
two man in the smallest country are captured by the general and taken
to his home as slaves. Then in an early morning before dawn they see
the woman leaving in a big rush taking only her two slaves with her and
going to the temple near the mountain where the gods stayed. They see
others dressed like the woman also with slaves and before some white
big stones, it is the day of smallest day of the year. Since the woman
is wife of a general she has to start first and the gods look
carefully, with a cruelty no one would suspect she backstabs both her
slaves pushing them one on top of the other, a big battle was to come
and to he glory of their husbands the women had to make a sacrifice,
well other slaves they will find. Go figure and this was one of the very good good humans, so they granted her what she was secretly hoping for, their bliss ... immortality. Then many years after she did not come back she passed on alone for she did not find the earth as bright as the world in her dreams not anyone as good for those beings there so she escaped her bliss just as the others did by staying all times in the dreamworld. So good good humans also found out why that is the gods bliss.



That is how the other fraction begun to exist, the gods just walked
away and they looked at the shrine maiden for she looked exactly as
she did before a very very long time ago, same face same skin except her eyes were closed for good and her body was without life " That is why we never waist
our affection on any of them". For once a predator then coming back as pray as
were the others they found and destroyed they always find eachother and try to destroy one
another. That is when immortality begun not to be a curse to them nor a bliss for
regardless of how humans behave they will always be there to watch it begun to be just what it is eternity and that is all. For a human is as everything is: one or the other, for them is just what it is. They are those none sees, they are those that would not even get one's attention for a second, they smile and walk away for they do not exist more then a second. As it passes so they vanish from human memory, for they were never really there leaving nothing behind but marks on a sand on a beach that washes away as a tide passes taking away the fact that they exist.

[rosygyro]

I think the nagal come from nothing...

lives in the living breath of loving people!

and will go out the same way(into nothingonly forwards! Ha Ha Ha!)

theres nothing i love more than love!! Hate is a contrast i cant abide in myself, but tolerate in others... in a way..

maybe i am being too selfish! Afterall you do LOVE dont you! All of You!..

Nothing is best left unsaid!

[Guest]

The nagual did not come from nothing it came from something. It came for the four directions of the void as intent wilt consciousness awareness. It exists in both love and hate being neutral in the end. It will never go away for it's meaning is life and creation and expansion and infinity.

[rosygyro]

the nagal does not exist in the mind..
and hate is not the heart in any way!
I think its you who is fullofit! persyd!
There isthe great snake ATL.. who bites idiots...
and there is the NAGUAL who the snake would like to understand...
between is nauhatl' or sexylady our planet!
Once there was an undividuated spirit in love itself flying through the universe at collosal speed... it was doing this.. to discover itself... POW! it went!
after what seemed like an eternity of lovemaking in its own black pulsating darkness...
it entered our solar sytem...it was the nagual!
it detected plant life on our world and headed to investigate...
planning on becoming fused with the plants.. and understanding the love which had created them... BUT SOMETHING WAS MISSING!
There was a loneleyness in this world that the being couldnt understand.. as it ecstaticly plopped itself around our green earth!
so it.. tried to reach out at right angles from the plants it had combined with.. and make more love inbetween them... and asexual molluscs appeared...
well that was confusing so it settled on the asexual molluscs to work out what they loved... agin splitting at right angles to them... and then another asexual mollusc appeared...
well the divine being of the universe thought "wow man, thats really far out man"
so it tried to get off (the molluscs that is.. filthy minded readers)
as it tried to get off the mollusces...
one shifted toward the masculine.. and the other toward the feminine...
and they HUMPED in the primordial soup!
the divine being was utterly gobsmacked.. and spect the next six days just jumping on things with his divine presence... making two of them... and then leaping back to see how they "DID IT" it was hilarious!
At the end of the six days.. on the seventh.. divine presence had finally made the last ever ever ever link between plant and animal and insect and arachnid and mollusc and fungal bridges .. and thought " its getting quite crowded now and im running out of space....
so the divine being summoned up all its love and engulfed the planet in totallity...
with the intention of using it as a surface to "SPROING" back into the universe...
BUT IT WAS NOT TO BE!
as the being tried to jump the being found such collosal life energy calling its name within the planet it was fused...
the divine beings memories surfaced...
and all the witness ing of snails humping, and daffodills pollinating, and copulation in general "tainted" its reality...
and as the divine being summoned all its strength for its final leap and tried to rip itself free from our galaxy.. suddenly.. it wasnt having
love in its spirit form anymore... It was just looking at another creature...
one it had never seen before... IN THAT MOMENT TIME FROZE...
the divine being was paralysed for an eternity.....
it couldnt move for it was two....... still asexual..,.. but without a divine presence to jump away from them!....
The next day was nice!
but adam and eve just wanted to jump again!
they loved each other collosally... but they wanted to be the same being again and travel the stars!!!!
And this is where the great serpent ATL' appeared!
and offered them a choice...
to spend eternity as immortal innocents, in a world full of life they understood.. and to be this divine gardens TENDERS forever..(garden of maya)
or to become sexual as the other creatures on the planet... and to oneday through this process find the way home! How this would happen they did not know!(
eve was adam and adam was eve.. they had not sexed themselves yet!
but as the story goes one of them.. discovered that rather than the spirit splitting them... the earth could split them.. so it eat an apple.. as soon as one had a bite.. the other knew.. and how could HE not share his loved ones fate! so he bit!
and the two became unknown to each other...(split in sexual polarity)
and so they kisssed for the first time!
the reflection of their sexual urge to be one...(mirror)
was their mental urge to be one...(mirror)
their hearts remained in union! (void)
love is incredible!
I know where we are?  But thre nagual didnt arrive with hate... atl hasnt got any... so it must be the mirror of your mind persyd!"

Im fairly certain the universe is a nice place.. apart from the Snake OF mAYA!......chac croon!(shadow of death))

[Guest]

The nagual is everywhere and in everything surrounding us it is mater and non mater or what many call materia and even beyond. The Eagle has four faces each watching a direction of their own, one looking east is called Life, one looking north is called Growth, one looking west is called Destruction, one looking south is called Death. When the Eagle became aware it's first creation was made it is what we call time.  The maya called it serpent or spiral or whatever for many did see it. It had feathers and they said it was a plumed serpent so they named it K'uk ul Ka'an or K'uk ul cho'on , now i see the name chac croon or was it T'Chac Cro'on in quiche maya? Name also present in norse mythology as Midgard Orm. It's featheres were counted and the ba ak'tun count started from counting them. The large period of 5125 solar year or the Sedna Cycle. Next feather gowing is the yr 2012, rush rosygyro but where? That is not my mind ,wrong stop. mine you cannot see how unfortunate. Hey but it also looks like **** damn you are funny of a virgin perhaps it has no piece missing from a sexual act. Is that the universal vagina? Or universal Virgin Vagina, if i had some skills i would draw you an universal falus in return . But here is what i can do for you still :

[rosygyro]

[Mornings Son]

PerSyd wrote:
The nagual is everywhere and in everything surrounding us it is mater and non mater or what many call materia and even beyond. The Eagle has four faces each watching a direction of their own, one looking east is called Life, one looking north is called Growth, one looking west is called Destruction, one looking south is called Death. When the Eagle became aware it's first creation was made it is what we call time.  The maya called it serpent or spiral or whatever for many did see it. It had feathers and they said it was a plumed serpent so they named it K'uk ul Ka'an or K'uk ul cho'on , now i see the name chac croon or was it T'Chac Cro'on in quiche maya? Name also present in norse mythology as Midgard Orm.
Some Druids calls it the Dragon.

[rosygyro]

i HATE COMPUTERS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkMtIsfIhiY
my only comment upon this new world..

[rosygyro]

HEY my flash privelidge has gone!that naguals a weird creature!
Power knows what to do!
and when to press the buttons , and when not to!
click! thirteen click thirteen click thirteen click thirteen!...
i obviousley cant get angry at the real nagual on account of him being a faceless void........


its an interesting concept though!
because in the computer world with our alledged ability to communicate..
we do still get sanctioned by powers that are not necissarily well intended..
"we can tell by the grin"
i wonder why! i wonder why! i wonder why!
oh nagual of the fathomless nothing void of desolation that strips men bare.. and makes them fly wingless into walls of reflection!
what pleasure do you take from cutting my freedom!
im sure it is not my frustration that makes you grin!
the nagual man is not a sadist!
the nagual man withholds with all his strength..
or his power flows useless through his lack of forebearance...
into the reality.. the ONE BIG nagual guides...
I am a good person! with good fingerprints...
good bloodwork.. and excellent potential!
so where is my flash!
or is this a glitch in the matrix!..... information overload!

[Guest]

The druids or others do not call him that Mornings Son, the dragon is other thing. It has to do with other stuff not really the time as does the snake.
The nagual is male and female like everything around us. It's absurd to think it is just one of a kind rosygyro.

[rosygyro]

well persyd..

TELL me of your sexual combination...

if the nagual is not one of a kind and is male and female..



tell me of your fathomless vagina!

[Guest]

As soon as you tell me yours i will tell you mine.  The nagual is male the nagual is female always. Are you that sure i have a vagina? I would not bet one can be right on anyone behind the screen.

[rosygyro]

yeah.. but your not "behind " the screen!

awareness does not exist in cyberspace ...

and if anything any LIMINAL AREAS of confusion that do exist due to depth perception and 3d or virtual reality!

are wasted areas of the human mind..

and if anything constitute the collective illusion...

but to call them the collective unknown...

or to consider yoursaelf living behind a screen is ABSURD!

besides the liminal areas of the NEW WORLD!

which the ancient sorcerers had no perspective on..

are actually a new realm of respectfull immpecability studies....



of course if you dont respect the liminal areas of illusion created by technology and choose to use them to obscure yourself, or to give you power over others.. then you run the risk of either being a cheat, a thief of awareness, a liiar in awareness.

a person who refuses to see the honourable interrelationship of life through deliberate self-ignorance.. for the purpose of selfish gain!

which not only constitutes a failure to "INTELLIGENTLY CO_OPERATE"

but also constitutes oppression of people who are caught in the habitual position of the assemblage poiont ..

as such you are POLARIZING and are not essentially FLUID in your awareness... instead living in

a space where no-one can clearly think... and making your OWN SPACE their as if it is a style of awareness..

WHICH it isnt!

Its just you getting in the way!

in a way which people dont understand!

but your spiritual stance is still the same!!!

person who refuses to listen out of arrogance, and chooses to get in the way as if being immovable is a strength rat5her than an obstinacy borne of FEAR of equality!

you should change your avatar!

[Guest]

As usual you do not know and you are off topic again. I cooperate do not like my cooperation by chance?
I take food and air to my cells i am the tree of life.
I take perceptions to my brain i am the tree of good.
I take air inside the body i am the tree of peace.
I clean the body up i am the tree of wish.
I take my command to the muscle i am the tree of knowledge.
I take all dirt and smog away from the cells i am the tree of death.
I am me in all i exist because i cooperate. Do you see the tree of life continuing itself with the tree of evil? The tree of good continuing itself with the tree of knowledge? Do you see that the tree of peace has a strange relationship with the tree of wish? Well until you don't it is useless to continue any conversation, sorry i did not replay i did not see you re-posted same thing another place i don't like copies.

[rosygyro]

but you still sound self obsessed about your own solitary connection with the universe!
its very insular.. or seems to be!
the tree of life.. is within every child..
the way you just described yourself..
it was like its a "shaman" tree which you have been given special access to!
this is my main probl;em with shamanism...
the only things we can possibly pursue in terms of life... must be unilaterally shared...
which is what i mean by intelligent co-operation...
the line between declaring youself healthy in the presence of someone else within your concept of the passage of time and mortality
and declaring another person cursed by resistance in line with your particular concept on time and mortality!
Is a very thin line indeed, and is only demarcated by wether you are LOOKING AT SOMEONE ELSE when you say it!
or looking at OURSELVES in tiparet!

ok mate?

[Guest]

There are some clear things you should know: i use identification i am all since those are a part of me. Did you not hear about such before: arterial system, venous system, nervous sensitive system, motor nervous system, respiratory tract and lymph system? Do you have any idea about what the human body is, how does it function? I am not declaring anything, yet when i am i will let you know. The only thing you managed to understand is, that they exist in every child. I am not even looking , nor i am self obsessed, nor i am narcissistic, nor i am alone well insular and solitary and whatever else you posted there. All is in your mind not for real.

[rosygyro]

feel good about yourself...
and dont worry that if i die before you! I will still acheive my infinite joureney
if you die ,,, i will certainly look for your shrivelled earth abyss! if only so i can help!!!
anyHoo... One of us will die! CLaws and crroked beaks hooked in the wind!
may the one who remains be good for humanity!
and the one who leaves leave forever!...
may i be followed by good people!
and may you be followed by good people!
It would be terrible to taint your remaining people with an intent selfishly designed to just propel YOU (like castaneda hence why he still has a white and green sorceric body)

its better to disintegrate in all good intentions.. and live alongside immpecability for eternity!

and the best way to acheive this is to be impeccable through life!!!! "sorry CARLOS" just MY opinion!

And to be honest ive seen gypsies who disintegrate better than carlos castaneda!

maybe its a byproduct of having a million people reading his books and he tried to live forever in that!

it only takes one WOMAN OF POWER to say...on his deathbed!

"Carlos" you will live forever in your books"... and his whole shape is changed! wonder who SHE. was?

anyway.. i think it was SHE. who knocked him off course! SHE.

Sometimes its like SHE. is so possesive of power.. it is SHE. who ruined his purpose!

probably cycles him around a series of events or something to keep him moving!

in many ways keeping his mind energy cycling within the books is a good method of preventing harm from his dead essences!!!

but ideally... it should be "comparative" living impeccable mind of shaman alive today.. that is "forced" through any avenues in media when refering to dead sorcerers or shaman!

The point being that the cycling of castenedas mind may be preventing his catapulting into the unknown...

better to disintegrate it completeley... and replace his name with comparative living purpose! so that all he leaves is scraps of paper blowing down the dusty street! 

Would you agree with me persyd?

At least on the moralistic way to free the dead mind from media!

I have a problem with spiritual theft! Ive only just gotten around to completing my research on energetic theft within the known!

Im now beginning to get to grips with the feminine! 

Women who steal sexual energy have been a massive challenge for me! The problem is that i "give" them everything! Fill them up so to speak.. with love,, totally with love! leaving me "as a dried up husk backed onto the VOID",,,,,,

They always look at me and say "well im full and your nothing , so what do i need you for?"......... consequently my Sexual Power and my desire to give,, perpetually results in me being Dumped!.....

What i need is a little TEASE of some kind! Sticking out of my split,, that inspires a FULL woman to be deflated! (so i can refill her, but this is a complex time and awareness study.)

Ive only just invented the thing but it doesnt work through computers! 

I did think for an unspecified amount of TIME that when i make my women full.. that nagual men think..

"oh look theres a woman i must contain her" and consequently become so terrified by my energy that they "steer the woman away from me at all costs!".............

So here i am "loveless" and surrounded by women.. who i have loved ... with scared little men steering them away in case i TELL THEM something Real!

Well at least i get NEW women... as more men seek these female creations i make and intend the scenarios that make it possible! (littering the world with sorceresses)

But for CHRISTS sake,,, why can i not just have "MY NAGUAL WOMAN?" And I and I can leave?

because truthfully the sorcerers world and the machinations of power play havoc on my relationships!

I contemplated having a harem..

but a) I am poor

b) There isnt another reason.

if only the individual HEARTBEAT of the individual WOMAN wasnt contaminated by the liminality of the mass feminine sexual subconsious!! Then true love would weld me and mine together for eternity! xx

They wake up in the morning look at me with love and "your something special",, and then in the next week they get twenty different men offering themselves!

agony collumn-

Dear dirtiegertie!

I cannot compete with that i inspire in the world! what should i do?

do i wish to pursue accelerated dissatisfaction for the rest of my life?

Or do i wish to Keep one for eternity?

[Guest]

Well rosygyro i think it is so much personal psychedelic vision in your post that it is not worth to see all. Farewell and good luck on your path.

[rosygyro]

If you didnt read that persyd! maybe you will read this!
The Wind has changed direction!
The stalkers cry is heard!
We are inturning the egyptians!
And removing blackened roots!
Honour, power, honour first!
The rest of you are cursed!

[Guest]

The stalkers do not cry but stalk, the wind changes it's direction every hour in the desert. Roots of a plant will kill the plant, roots of a teeth sometimes turn black and can be removed with no consequence to the body as whole.

[rosygyro]

once the stalk is over...

the stalker cries believe me!

Every tear of love and joy from a lifetime is swept out from his face.... He screams peace!

BOO HOO HOO!

[rosygyro]

The world is a stalkers world for some, and a dreamers world for others...
what if the nagual clicks his fingers...
and reverses the poles of awareness...
can you stalk the dream where the rules are undone in rythm with the divine?

[Guest]