New Seers and Old Seers

[Nu Lang]

The worse thing one can do is perceive they have burned from within when they haven't. Why? Because then they stop seeking it.
In the end, all that matters is if one actually did it...not if others perceive it so, but that its been done.

[Guest]

Nu Lang wrote:The worse thing one can do is perceive they have burned from within when they haven't. Why? Because then they stop seeking it.
In the end, all that matters is if one actually did it...not if others perceive it so, but that its been done.
Once the fire is lit, it never goes out.

[Nu Lang]

Hey I was thinking the same last night Epigwynn. There's a quality to such people and I just cannot get the right word for it, and not sure even if I put a word down it would even convey my feeling to another. Maybe its easier to say that we can all tell when someone has not burned from within. Self importance, even in subtle form, is tangible.

[Guest]

True that!  Epi and Nu!
a person like that would hardly be offended by a challenge...
especially if what they claim is true...Now, I wonder, since there are degrees to everything, if we aren't getting confused.  Maybe the person is saying they are undergoing a Kundalini awakening, currently.  So are in the process of burning from within, as opposed to having burned, (meaning that the awakening has occurred in its fullest sense).
If this were true, that they are still in the process of awakening, or burning from within, then they still have issues which are coming to the surface, that the fire will help to burn up.  Perhaps we are witnessing this process, and not, as was sort of insinuated, a full blown realized awakening. 
I would agree, as you both said, that a fully realized being, an awakened soul is easily visible by his energy alone, but certainly also by his words.

[Bob May]

Enchantra wrote:
True that!  Epi and Nu!
a person like that would hardly be offended by a challenge...
especially if what they claim is true...Now, I wonder, since there are degrees to everything, if we aren't getting confused.  Maybe the person is saying they are undergoing a Kundalini awakening, currently.  So are in the process of burning from within, as opposed to having burned, (meaning that the awakening has occurred in its fullest sense).
If this were true, that they are still in the process of awakening, or burning from within, then they still have issues which are coming to the surface, that the fire will help to burn up.  Perhaps we are witnessing this process, and not, as was sort of insinuated, a full blown realized awakening. 
I would agree, as you both said, that a fully realized being, an awakened soul is easily visible by his energy alone, but certainly also by his words. 

I don't know if you girls are talking about me or Wolf or Lex.
But you are correct Enchantra. It is a process.
My teacher had it full blown back in the 70's and it almost killed him. So it was with Gopi Krishna. I was doing the same meditation and it hit me very hard but not to the level of those two men.
Still it is something that is always there and I have to limit my meditations. I still have to function, making a living etc.
My teacher had a hard time controlling the energy and even said a few times near the end of his life that he was experiencing whole new levels of it.
Gopi Krishna, on the other hand never did learn to control it. It blasted him twice and almost killed him both times and then he stopped doing that particular meditation.
With all of the discussing these things on this forum and a few meditations lately it has been waking up a lot more. I will see how far I can safely take it this time.
For a good description of a full spontaneous awakening of the Kundalini the book "Kundalini; the Evolutionary Energy in Man" by Gopi Krishna gioves a very good description.

[Nu Lang]

Hey Bob...yeah, I guess I'm talking about all of us And I agree with En and you about it being a process. Words rarely capture so well or precisely our experiences because our very expereinces are not even so precise, and its often in retrospect we even begin to make sense of them.



For my part...I was just trying to warn about one thinking they have fully burned within (when not the case) and thus they stop making the effort to rid the FI. In fact, thats what the FI would do to us. I see how we can get so advanced, we are almost there...but almost isn't good enough. We need to be there period.

[Bob May]

Nu Lang wrote:

Hey Bob...yeah, I guess I'm talking about all of us And I agree with En and you about it being a process. Words rarely capture so well or precisely our experiences because our very expereinces are not even so precise, and its often in retrospect we even begin to make sense of them.
For my part...I was just trying to warn about one thinking they have fully burned within (when not the case) and thus they stop making the effort to rid the FI. In fact, thats what the FI would do to us. I see how we can get so advanced, we are almost there...but almost isn't good enough. We need to be there period.The process does not end as long as we have a physical body as far as I know. The experience can be recognised in other's writing once you have the experience. 20/20 hindsight.
The FI can be gotten rid of but that void must be filled.


Mt 12:43
When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.




Mt 12:44
Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.




Mt 12:45
Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.



And then it returns.
That is why people tend to say it cannot be gotten rid of.
On the other hand we also have a human body that draws to negative influences that we don't always do such a good job keeping our desires on higher things.


Ro 7:15
For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.




Ro 7:16
If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.




Ro 7:17
Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.


 

Ro 7:18
For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.


 

Ro 7:19
For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.




Ro 7:20
Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.


 

Ro 7:21
I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.




Ro 7:22
For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:


 

Ro 7:23
But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.


 

Ro 7:24
O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?




Ro 7:25
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.




It is a puzzle that even Paul wrestled with.

[Nu Lang]

The mind is freed. However...the battle continues ... My view anyway.

[lex icon]

If a person has burned from within, they would have to be a most impeccable warrior...
someone of the utmost accomplishment...
a person like that would hardly be offended by a challenge...
especially if what they claim is true...Epiquin
I have tried to face any and all challenges, heck I have even provoked most lol.
Epiquin I answered your questions and then posed question to you which you have not answered. Is there as reason for this?
Is it that you cannot answer or that you avoid answering or that you just consider it beneath you which would be fine to.

[Guest]

Nu Lang wrote:.I was just trying to warn about one thinking they have fully burned within (when not the case) and thus they stop making the effort to rid the FI. In fact, thats what the FI would do to us.Yes, that can be annoying.

[Guest]

lex icon wrote:If a person has burned from within, they would have to be a most impeccable warrior...
someone of the utmost accomplishment...
a person like that would hardly be offended by a challenge...
especially if what they claim is true...Epiquin
I have tried to face any and all challenges, heck I have even provoked most lol.

She said you wouldn't be offended, not that you weren't up for a challenge.  I'm butting in here, because I can see what she is saying, and I can also see from your responses often that, either you are offended, or you are just plain arrogant, which idicates a lot of SI.  Either way, I agree with epi's words above. 






"Think about it: what weakens us is feeling offended by the deeds and
misdeeds of our fellow men. Our self-importance requires that we spend
most of our lives offended by someone."
If you are wondering, I am stalking the part of me (that would be the Lex in me) that gets annoyed by this conversation.  fyi
PS:
I know I look like a big ass in this thread lol stalking that, too.

[lex icon]

If you are wondering, I am stalking the part of me (that would be the Lex in me) that gets annoyed by this conversation.  fyi
PS:
I know I look like a big ass in this thread lol stalking that, too.  Enchantra
But why does the Lex in you get annoyed by such conversation?  Yawn.

[Guest]

lex icon wrote: I am stalking the part of me (that would be the Lex in me) that gets annoyed by this conversation. 
  Enchantra
But why does the Lex in you get annoyed by such conversation?  Yawn.
Umm, I just told you I am stalking that.

[Nu Lang]

Lex,



By your 'Yawn' I take it you mean 'bored ***' a phrase you often use...btw, I never did know the meaning of that term nor why you use it. explain?

[ninth octave]

Carlos Castaneda (interview) .. "bored ***" http://www.nagualism.com/carlos-castane ... iew-2.html

[Nu Lang]

Thanks for that Ninth.



He [Castaneda] explains: "I'm a bored ***. Don Juan turned me into an energy miser. I don't spend it. I don't do anything. But I do everything."

So this is really just another way of describing controlled folly. In light of realization that nothing matters, there is experiences this mass sameness. It does not mean one does not feel, but rather does not grasp at what one feels. One can be happy, feel it to the fullest. One can be sad and feel it to the fullest. Its hardly 'bored' but its not being trapped by what one feels. So what is trapped? Its an idea. What are ideas? In many cases the FI.

[ninth octave]

This "mass sameness"is what contributes to the "mold of man". DJ described the moment at conception as being the point that determines our energy configurations. Mostly everyone in this world is conceived in this sort of "boredom" maybe because the parents minds were 'out to lunch' during the moment of conception. Who can know the split second the chromosones begin to subdivide and multilpy.Even DJ called himself a BF.

Being conceived in this bored *** syndrome makes one one born needy , over-indulgent or in search of that subconsious excitation that was never ever there to be gradified in the first place. Maybe that is why there are so many addictions to contend with in life. Sustained controlled folly would be its remedy- to reinvented and revigorating the mind. Emptying the mind and putting on a new mind were lasting freedom is sustained.

[Nu Lang]

Ninth,



I agree with some of what is said here. I don't think its so much that we are born bored...possible, but not convinced of that. I think, based on my own expereinces, that its the FI or rational mind given to us as children that slowly pulls us away from our sensual experience of the world. Then we crave it back but the mind fights us. This gives rise to all our ideas of sin or unwholesomeness and guilt...all this is like the toxic waste that builds up and zaps our energy 'bored...can't feel, numb', but still we crave the sensual as its very natural and what animals seek too, with much less hibition. We are an animal too. And the world is exciting to be in it and experience. And must also note animals sometimes look bored too, lol.

Maybe animals get bored becasue they lost their link to sorcery too. This one looks like she's in a zoo. Just like most humans are.

[Nu Lang]

I Just wanetd to add, that you interpreted/decoded Carlos very well Ninth...I didn't get that exact meaning out of that interview until you mentioned it. I just don't understand why he, Carlos, calls himself a bored ***? Unless he meant during that time with DJ.

[Guest]

ninth octave wrote:

Being conceived in this bored *** syndrome makes one one born needy , over-indulgent or in search of that subconsious excitation that was never ever there to be gradified in the first place. Maybe that is why there are so many addictions to contend with in life. Sustained controlled folly would be its remedy- to reinvented and revigorating the mind. Emptying the mind and putting on a new mind were lasting freedom is sustained.
Also, on this note, being conceived in a 'bored-***' manner dictates the sort of energy we are born with, the Chinese refer to this as prenatal Jing.  (jing is life force energy stored in the kidneys).  When our prenatal jing is tainted, so to speak, at the time of conception by parents who are absent life-creating love, but just going thru the motions, we can struggle our whole lives to overcome obstacles as a result.   Qi gong (Chi Kung) has also been said to help un-do this 'curse'.

[glance left]

"splitting of the polarities between east and west
past and future" Rosy

West....The old seers predilection for cultivating power over their fellow men to bolster their derangement of self importance. East...the new seers predilection for reclusiveness and secrecy in abhorrence of power gained without dispersal of self importance, attempting to find total freedom via the abstract core by utterly withdrawing from the world....to the extent that the pursuit became rhetorical, as CC put it, given the fact that something of the self remains (at least until we die) in spite of that abhorrence and attempt in withdrawing from it, I'm guessing.

A balance between the two, maybe A suspension of the awareness of inward connecting link with intent, which to me dispenses with self importance because its ridiculous and perverse in the face of it, and the awareness of/interaction with the world at large while upholding that inner state to the extent that the outer action/interaction becomes a simple extension of that inner state.

My job is to continue to dive deep, inwardly, to clear up the connection with intent/infinity (meditation helps with this )...and then to get up and act, outwardly, while stalking myself to see where I lose the plot in terms of maintaining that connecting link inwardly. Acting while balancing between self importance and self abhorrence.

Unity amidst cohesion.

[Guest]