3rd Attenion and Burning from within

[lex icon]

I have extracted this from another thread to start as a new topic. Lex

you burned from within, i find this hard to believe, then why are you still here??? Epicwynn
So
you believe that when someone burns from within they automatically and 
physically leave the planet and disappear into other realms of
existence. This is precisely the sort of thinking I have rallied against
for years now. The physical disappearance option is a possibility but
the lesser of the possibilities available! Your attachment to this
particular interpretation of burning from within will probably keep the
option well out of reach for you. Would it surprise you that this is not
what DJ was advocating. I cannot answer for why LW is still here after
he says he burned from within but I can point out DJ's view on the
matter if that helps.
He
said, that the old seers, being masters of awareness, applied the
expertise to their own glows of awareness and made them expand to
inconceivable limits. They actually aimed at lighting up all the
emanations inside their cocoons, one band at a time. They succeeded, but
oddly enough the accomplishment of lighting up one band at a time was
instrumental in their becoming imprisoned in the quagmire of the second
attention.
      
"The new seers corrected that error," he continued, "and let the
mastery of awareness develop to its natural end, which is to extend the
glow of awareness beyond the bounds of the luminous cocoon in one single
stroke.
      
"The third Attention is attained when the glow of awareness turns into
the fire from within; a glow that kindles not one band at a time but all
the Eagle's emanations inside man's cocoon."
       
Don Juan expressed his awe for the new seers' deliberate effort to
attain third attention while they are alive and conscious of their
individuality.
       
He did not consider it worthwhile to discuss the random cases of men
and other sentient beings who enter into the unknown and the unknowable
without being aware of it; he referred to this as the Eagle's gift. He
asserted  that for the new seers to enter into the third attention is
also a gift, but has a different meaning. It is more like a reward for
attainment.
       
He added that at the moment of dying all human beings enter into the
unknowable and some of them do attain the third attention, but
altogether too briefly and only to purify the food for the Eagle.
        "The
supreme accomplishment of human being," he said,  "is to attain that
level of attention while retaining the life force, without becoming
disembodied awareness moving like a flicker of light up to the Eagle's
beak to be devoured." FFW
Epicwynn,  did you catch that?.................without becoming disembodied awareness!
There
are other references to this if you know where and how to look. For you
to think that when this is accomplished you physically disappear from
the planet is understandable, especially after some of the other stuff
Carlos wrote and the preliminary conclusions he wove around his
findings. But this is the same problem that plagued DJ for years and he
he said it should be avoided at all costs!
From
then on, he (DJ) had no problem in dealing with the reality of the
third attention. The only obstacle in his way arose from his being so
thoroughly convinced that the Rule was a map that he believed he had to
look for a literal opening in the world, a passageway. Somehow he had
become needlessly stuck at the first level of a warrior's development.
Don Juan's own work as a leader and a teacher, as a result, was directed at helping the apprentices, and especialy me, to AVOID REPEATING THAT MISTAKE!
Don
Juan said that he spent irreplaceable time pondering the existence of
an actual passageway into that other world. He view such concerns as a
pitfall to be avoided at all cost.   Eagle's Gift.
So you
can see you are in good company at this first level of a warriors
development. DJ himself spent years there. Reducing third attention
realizations to the limits of physically leaving this world and viewing
third attention through such a limited lens will just open the door wide
to the intricacies of 2nd attention and you will miss how the third
attention is available to you right now and you will keep putting it way
out of reach for yourself now!

[lex icon]

He said, that the old seers, being masters of awareness, applied the expertise to their own glows of awareness and made them expand to inconceivable limits. They actually aimed at lighting up all the emanations inside their cocoons, one band at a time. They succeeded, but oddly enough the accomplishment of lighting up one band at a time was instrumental in their becoming imprisoned in the quagmire of the second attention.
Let me put this in terms of experience that I am sure we are all familiar with, perhaps this will bring this particular paragraph out of the obscurity in which it appears to be shrouded.
applied the expertise to their own glows of awareness and made them expand to inconceivable limits.
Have you ever had those feelings of expansion. Some times they are quite delicious other times a little nauseating. It happens within. You cannot quite put words to it but you know it is occurring. You know growth or attainment is occurring.
In sorcery terms the emanations inside the cocoon are aligning with the appropriate emanations outside the cocoon. But for most these kind of alignments don’t happen everyday. What is happening again in sorcery terms... They actually aimed at lighting up all the emanations inside their cocoons, one band at a time.
Now I am sure that most of us have not actually sat down and formed the intent...I am going to align my internal emanations one band at a time!.....right?
But if we are not informed about the immediacy of the this other option of the third attention then it is our ignorance that propels us in the direction of “spiritual growth” tediously and painstaking working so hard for our development into ever EXPANDING regions, worlds without end amen! The second attention itself lends itself to these ever expanding possibilities but they do not appear like a quagmire that can imprison us they appear like spiritual growth! Imprison is perhaps a harsh word in this regard. Although true, because of our attachment to the kind of spiritual growth highlighted above we would never view it as imprisonment. So that is why I prefer allure or glamor.

[lex icon]

How is the reality of third attention available to us right now. Is this another meaning for the "glow of awareness" ? Ninth



What does your God tell you, why not ask him?

[Guest]

Also known as The Fire Within, or the Serpent Fire within,  lots of people experience Kundalini awakenings, some dont even know what is happening.  There is a ton of info on the net as well as forums and discussion groups.  I found many to help me thru mine, years ago.
Kundalini is innate for
all people: At the base of the spine,
subtler than the physical body, lies the Kundalini energy, or spiritual
energy, in a latent form. Regardless of what religious, spiritual, or
meditation tradition one follows, the awakening of this energy, by
whatever name you call it, is a most innate and essential part of
spiritual advancement, unfoldment, or realization.
Kundalini (kuṇḍalinī, Sanskrit: कुण्डलिनी) literally means coiled. In yoga, a "corporeal energy"[1] - an unconscious, instinctive or libidinal force or Shakti, lies coiled at the base of the spine.[2][3][4]
It is envisioned either as a goddess or else as a sleeping serpent,
hence a number of English renderings of the term such as 'serpent
power'. The kundalini resides in the sacrum bone in three and a half coils and has been described as a residual power of pure desire.[5]

http://www.reiki-for-holistic-health.co ... ening.html
http://www.swamij.com/kundalini-awakening.htm

[Nu Lang]

The ability to leave the Earth at will...yes I have heard that too. And of course the ability to travel to far places in a flash etc. These are things the rational mind just rages over...it can't handle it, lol. So again...first the rational mind must be surpassed. Then its easy to see how such feats are possible. I'm not sure if its 'so easy', because I heard also there is residue of the flyer even after burning from within...and in Buddhism this is recognized too:



I posted this in emptiness and objects thread...it outlines the "five Mahayana paths--the paths of accumulation, preparation, seeing, meditation, and no more learning--that a practitioner develops sequentially."


3. "Peaceful" indicates the path of seeing. That's the point when one has direct, non-conceptual realization of emptiness and becomes an arya--a noble or superior one. At this point one begins to free one's mindstream from the aquired or artificial afflictions--those learned from erroneous philosophies--and their seeds. These are eliminated entirely so that they never return (flee). The innate afflictions and their seeds haven;t yet been eliminated, but they manifest very weakly, if at all, because one has the direct perception of emptiness when in meditative equipoise, and after meditative equipoise, one sees all phenomena like illusions and so doesn't grasp them as inherently existent.



4. Although not explicitly mentioned in the verse, the fourth of the five Mahayana paths, the path of meditation eliminates the innate level of afflictive obscurations that prevent liberation. These are the disturbing attitudes and negative emotions that have been with us since beginningless time. On the latter part of the path of meditation, one removes the cognitive obscurations that prevent Buddhahood. So there's a lot to do on the path of meditation. ~From Tara the Liberator

I did not quote on paths 1, 2 and 5 here...because my main point was that even after burning from within, and also recognized in Buddhism, there is residue to work out that is of an emotional nature I guess. What this means to me is...one who burns from within doesn't become super human or 'above us'... humility and work on self are still factors, though,... they could possibly just leave this world if they wanted to...but its likely in their benefit to stay to do more 'work' and in toltec terms, assemble a warrior party.

[Nu Lang]

lex icon wrote:How is the reality of third attention available to us right now. Is this another meaning for the "glow of awareness" ? Ninth



What does your God tell you, why not ask him?
Lex, are you saying you do not listen to/hear a 'higher voice' regardless of what we call it...God, Spirit, Intent, God-self? I hear a voice...I don't care what we call it, but I'm not going to deny that there is a channeling of an 'outside' into me, lol. More than one actually. In fact, I am realizing how easy it is to enter a body...which again...so few humans understand the flyer and how it so easily can be 'like us' by being in us. But that's another topic, my point is we have many influences around and sometimes within us ...some helpful other not....invisible to us. But tangible.We also can enter into another.
The way you talk its like you don't believe in any of this, or find it limiting. But if not all these individual awarenesses enacting upon each other, plus a 'higher voice' what would there be to 'reality'?

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lex icon wrote:
How is the reality of third attention available to us right now. Is this another meaning for the "glow of awareness" ? Ninth
What does your God tell you, why not ask him?Could you re-word this question, Lex?

[Bob May]

lex icon wrote:
How is the reality of third attention available to us right now. Is this another meaning for the "glow of awareness" ? Ninth
What does your God tell you, why not ask him?
Ok. I asked. Here's what I got.

John 1


Joh 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.




Joh 1:2
The same was in the beginning with God.




Joh 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


 

Joh 1:4
In him was life; and the life was the light of men.




Joh 1:5
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.


 

Joh 1:6
There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.




Joh 1:7
The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.




Joh 1:8
He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.


 

Joh 1:9
That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.




Joh 1:10
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.


 

Joh 1:11
He came unto his own, and his own received him not.


 

Joh 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:




Joh 1:13
Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.


 

Joh 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Everything is made of Light. That is God manifesting all of the planes from the top down.
We live in a plane of darkness and are unable to see the light. It is also a plane of deception.
A latteral shift of the assembalge point enables us to see just outside of this plane of darkness. The "lower astral light." (the sorcerer's world.)
A tremendous achievement but not a big deal in the entire scheme of things. Still a plane of deception.
In the "upper astal light" (and there are no hard fast lines here, it's a continuum) we begin to see that everything is made of light.
To experience the purer forms of light can be dangerous because it "lights up the Darkness" within us.
To touch with the highest light without getting rid of the darkness within us would be instant death.
Paul met Jesus on the road after he had been crucified and rose again and returned from where he came from. Being that Jesus is the greatest example of one who's "Glow of Awareness" was complete he was free to come and go as he pleased. He could come to earth or return to the Father at will. Paul was actually physically blinded by this encounter. For three days, if I remember correctly until a healer came and layed hands on him.
In touching on the higher planes a cleansing process begins. The Baptism (cleansing) of fire. This is a process that makes it possible to safely reach the higher planes.
But it is a process. Not only the mind and emotions have to change, but the body also has to change in order to safely contact the higher light.
Grace and Truth are the key points that are necessary in order to change the mind to be able to safely touch the higher Light.
These two are the ingredients missing from the Old Covenant and which are the Foundation of the New Covenant.
The veil separating mankind from the Holy of Holies was torn at the Crucifixion.
This is the Sphere of the Holiest of all. Pure White Brilliance. The Sephirah (Emanation) Kether "The Crown" of which it is said that if you become "One With" this Sephirah (Emanation) you will unmanifest.

[Turin Otzaki]

"To experience the purer forms of light can be dangerous because it "lights up the Darkness" within us.

To touch with the highest light without getting rid of the darkness within us would be instant death".



Yes Bob, well said. We gotto leave no stone unturned. Iveoften imagine how Id be face to face with some full on pure teacher....and have had fun imagining how Id squirm like hell!!! all those resistant bits would surface instantaneously lol and I may just run away fast! or maybe dematerialise on the spot So....on with the work of ferretting these things out of their hiding places....

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Thanks Bob May.
That was a marvelous expression of the power of The Word.  Grace and Truth. Poor Saul/ Paul before his instant conversion was a terrorist plotting and planning to round up and kill more Christian Jews. Paul is a prime example of how God's grace,  truth and mercy are available to whosoever. 
I often think of how it would be being literally blinded by the Light of Truth and the undeniable instant transformation occurs.

[Bob May]

Turin Otzaki wrote:
"To experience the purer forms of light can be dangerous because it "lights up the Darkness" within us.
To touch with the highest light without getting rid of the darkness within us would be instant death".
Yes Bob, well said. We gotto leave no stone unturned. Iveoften imagine how Id be face to face with some full on pure teacher....and have had fun imagining how Id squirm like hell!!! all those resistant bits would surface instantaneously lol and I may just run away fast! or maybe dematerialise on the spot So....on with the work of ferretting these things out of their hiding places....
You have no idea how right you are about that. John was a scary guy. Also there was the "Kundalini Bath." If hisKundalini energy was "open" people would not just get uncomfortable but sick. Expecially women for some reason. Different "polarities" he used to say.
I found this on the internet today.
It is a short blurb and doesn't give a lot of detail on the subject. He actually wrote a book on Kundalini. It is unpublished. I have a copy but I can't share any of it because the rights belong to his family. Hopefully his daughter will finish proof reading it and publish it one of these years.

John Scudder

In the 1970's, an Illinois healer who is a very down to earth fellow named John Scudder, thought he had some indigestion. He began to undergo such intense symptoms that his heartbeat could be heard by the person next to him. He began to feel pressure on his head, see waves of color, and hear a roar like Niagara Falls. "There was nothing that could be done for me medically, and there was nothing that could be done psychically. All I could do was hold on, waiting and hoping for an end to the terror.

It was then that I thought of a quote from the Book of Job, 'Though he slay me, yet will I trust him.'" John has written, "My mind became so sensitive that I could actually sense the thoughts of anyone in the room with me. If there was more than one person, I could sense their individual thoughts.

My third eye became so sensitive that even while sitting in my chair in my living room, I could see every room in my house as if the walls were made of glass. If my children were watching television downstairs or studying in their bedroom, I could see them without any difficulty at all."

John was burning up. He would wrap his head in cold wet towels, but the intensity of the internal burning was torture for three weeks. When it was over, he felt clean. He was clean inside and out. Indeed, his force was so intensified, that when he put his hands on someone to heal them they usually lost consciousness for a short time.

"I may sound melodramatic," he says, "but if you have had the experience, you know that your life hangs by the thinnest strand of thread. It is as close to dying as a human can come and still survive."
Scudder would not have invited an orthodox doctor to treat him.
Kundalini can bring us into sublime experience and can run us through the ringer, leaving us gasping. It may be as dramatic as this experience, and it may seem relatively bland. No matter how uncomfortable we feel, it is not necessarily a sign of pathology. We are awfully quick to assign pathological labels.
Winston Churchill, speaking to the anxious British population during World War II, said wisely, "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." We need to apply this wisdom to our contact with the process of kundalini. Fear is the one thing that can make it more difficult.

[lex icon]

ok i get your point that burning from within doesn't necessarily mean you must leave the planet (I don't necessarily agree with this, I have to look further into it)Epiq
Why do you not agree with this?
but since YOU claim to have burned within, you must have the ability to leave if that is your choice Epiq
Actually it was LW that first claimed this. He was the first one I saw claim this publicly. I do not doubt the possibility and would find his explanation very intriguing. I also claim this but I am not sure we would be talking in terms you are familiar with as you cling to the outward meaning of such an event as presented by CC.
are you saying that you could leave if you wanted to? because if you can't then you didn't burn from within Epiq
I am saying that once my bubble of perception was cracked and I entered the nagual, I left the planet, just not physically that I am aware, but I cannot be sure of that the physical part. What came back was not the same as what left.
my understanding of the 3rd attention is complete mastery of perception and experiencing all that is humanly possible... are you saying you could jump off a cliff and survive? Epiq
Why do you think 3rd attention is complete mastery of perception and experiencing all that is humanly possible? Those are two very broad statements?
personally i think you make a false claim but please prove me wrong if i am Epiq
Such things cannot be proved, but we can talk about them in more depth and precision if you are are able and willing.

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Such things cannot be proved, but we can talk about them in more depth and precision if you are able and willing.

Please share it with us Lex.

[Guest]

Epiqwynn wrote:

'Burning from Within' is a type of DEATH...
You can die a death of a normal mortal... old age, sickness, violent death, etc.
Or if you are a WARRIOR, SOURCERER, NAGUAL, SEER, (ie. One with/of SPIRIT) then...
you may be able to BURN FROM WITHIN...
it is as final as DEATH...
and it takes impeccability, ENERGY, and the will and awareness and INTENT to do it, after a lifetime of battle and struggle
but to get to that level of mastery takes much training and dedication
your physical body has to be perfect in tip top shape and your mind must be in harmony and in alignment with the designs of Spirit
then the Teachings will come and the NAGUAL will reveal itself to you through all means
and the gifts of perception and inner power that the Spirit bestows upon you are yours and yours alone, no one can take them from you
each moment you grow in experience and consciousness, if you are a master in each moment you are healing and moving on, forgiving, being in the PEACE that is SPIRIT...
Nice!  Epi, I am enjoying your posts and your perspective on things.

[Nu Lang]

Yeah, I agree, awesome use of words Epi. Spoken with the true power of a warrior!

[Bob May]

Ac 2:1
And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.




Ac 2:2
And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.




Ac 2:3
And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.


 

Ac 2:4
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.


1co 3:9
For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.




1co 3:10
According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.




1co 3:11
For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.


 

1co 3:12
Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;




1co 3:13
Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.


 

1co 3:14
If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.




1co 3:15
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.


Heb 12:29
For our God is a consuming fire.


Mt 3:11
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
The last verse is John the Baptist speaking about the baptism that Jesus would bring.
In the verses of Acts above they were filled with the Holy Ghost.   
No one unmanifested!!! It was not the end of something it was the beginning of a process. That is what Initiation means. The start of another level of instruction. That was what John's water Baptism was. Both are "Death" to something and "Rebirth" to something else.
Specifically, as Peter points out, a few verses later, what was happening was a fullfilment of a prophecy by Joel, an old testament prophet.





Ac 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:


 

Ac 2:18
And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:


 

Ac 2:19
And I will show wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God.
Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.  
So there is an initiation here. A person going from being taught by men to being taught by God.
A cleansing that makes it possible for Spirit to come in without killing them.
But the cleansing is ongoing and  what they allow into their house
is now more regulated by the right thought that they are now able to discern. 
So the question here seems to be do we become a house or temple of Spirit here in Earth or do we become pure Spirit?
And is the choice even ours at the time of the experience?


2co 12:2
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.

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lex icon wrote:

ok i get your point that burning from within doesn't necessarily mean you must leave the planet (I don't necessarily agree with this, I have to look further into it)Epiq
Why do you not agree with this?
but since YOU claim to have burned within, you must have the ability to leave if that is your choice Epiq
Actually it was LW that first claimed this. He was the first one I saw claim this publicly. I do not doubt the possibility and would find his explanation very intriguing. I also claim this but I am not sure we would be talking in terms you are familiar with as you cling to the outward meaning of such an event as presented by CC.
are you saying that you could leave if you wanted to? because if you can't then you didn't burn from within Epiq
I am saying that once my bubble of perception was cracked and I entered the nagual, I left the planet, just not physically that I am aware, but I cannot be sure of that the physical part. What came back was not the same as what left.
my understanding of the 3rd attention is complete mastery of perception and experiencing all that is humanly possible... are you saying you could jump off a cliff and survive? Epiq
Why do you think 3rd attention is complete mastery of perception and experiencing all that is humanly possible? Those are two very broad statements?
personally i think you make a false claim but please prove me wrong if i am Epiq
Such things cannot be proved, but we can talk about them in more depth and precision if you are are able and willing. Lex,
Your answerings here sound too ambiguous and presumptuous as you ask back with another question.  Please get to the meat of your rendition of "burning from within."

[lex icon]

No ninth,
It is now Epiqwynn turn to answer my questions.  Then I am also awaiting a response from LW.
I will answer after their responses. But you might consider it a "dud" lol.
Oops I see Epiqwynn has responded, my bad.

[lex icon]

If we are to use don Juan's terminologies and ideas then we should use
his definitions for those terms, for the sake of clarity, and not make
up our own...Epiqwynn
Well yes you have a point. But when I also point out to you from those same writings by CC,  that also point to a different understanding concerning this, using DJ's words and terms, then you, you don't necessarily agree with that, because you were not aware that DJ also spoke in this manner. So it appears that you are just picking and choosing which version you wish to believe, no matter what the authority source is. Now that is ok for you just understand that is what you are doing.
I have had experiences that correspond to the meaning given by DJ, the one you discard. So in respect to the version of burning from within that you exclusively subscribe to, I have not had that accomplishment. I am still here as is LW.
So Epiqwynn why do you think DJ would talk about this "seemingly other" version of this event?
Ah but you see that is part of the problem. We view 3rd Attention as an event marked by burning from within and physically leaving the planet, that is the entry point for you, that "cosmic vagina".
But the 3rd attention is not an event anymore than 2nd or 1st attention. It is present now.
His benefactor had also told him that this kind of awareness is meaningless to our compartmentalized minds. THEREFORE the crux of a warrior's (not apprentice) was not so much to realize that the crossing over stated in the Rule meant crossing to the third attention, BUT RATHER to convince that there exists such an awareness at all.   Eagle's Gift
But to offer something more in line with what you think....(but then isn't)
In that spectacular end of her book sorcerer's crossing what do you think the "sorcerer's crossing" was. I mean TA was around on this planet long after she made that crossing. Just another example at odds with what you believe about the sorcerer's world.
So we have to sort through what appears on the surface as incongruities at some point we have to start thinking for ourselves. The words and tales of others can only take us so far.

[Nu Lang]

Epi...Rainbowunicorn...Asiris

[lex icon]

I remembered when I did burn from within. When I died and what I saw or not saw and what I felt. Past the eagle lies infinity for all we know. Being this "Lone Wolf" as a warrior means living without the company of other warriors. My double knows otherwise and I would venture to say seeks forming the party over and above what my intent is. The reason for the party: To not be alone out there. LW (Rule thread)
Hi Lone Wolf, thank you for give us your tales of power. I like them very much.Please explain us in more detail when you saw the mold of man and when you were burned from whitin. Halawata
In time..in time. I will add more, this thread isn't over. LW Silvereye LoneWolf thread
I have had to deal with telekinesis my whole life. For much of my younger years I was what I jokingly referred to as a "flaming telepath". I could and did affect everyone around me with my energy whether it was good or bad. As we grow more powerful we have to learn how to constrain that power and never use it for personal gain or it would destroy us. When you can, transform it and make it burn you from within. Metamorph into a sorcerer with out human form. Its the only way to use it for growth. Fair warning is that life as you know it will never be the same. LW in response to Blue Totem Silvereye thread Making Ball of intent.
Thanks LW for getting back on this. Well Epiqwynn here’s more.  This does not fit your view. So now what? Perhaps DJ can help..
“The real impact can’t be measured until the moment when you see it yourself,” he said. “But you must bear in mind that our flaws remain with us even after we become seers.” FFW
This is the reason for impeccability. If there were no flaws to deal with we would not strive to be impeccable and keep that “ticket to freedom in mint condition”.
You see most of CC’s work serves merely as an introduction to a different world view. But if you stay at the introductory level only, measuring a fantastic world view against an ordinary world view, and think because you are privy to the world of sorcery that you have seen something then you are not applying this.
CC’s presentation might be introductory but DJ’s words within the writings have many depths and flavors and are well worth a second look. If you are not coming to the abstract cores yourself after all these years then you simply have not grown.
You see what opened for LW was his experience. After that experience he could see what DJ was getting at. You must bear in mind that even for someone like DJ these things are difficult to speak of and for us they are difficult to understand until one sees.
So LW tag your it for awhile I need a rest lol.

[ninth octave]

Duh..no more power plants!

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lex icon wrote:You see most of CC’s work serves merely as an introduction to a
different world view. But if you stay at the introductory level only,
measuring a fantastic world view against an ordinary world view, and
think because you are privy to the world of sorcery that you have seen
something then you are not applying this.
Lex!  I agree with you!

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CC’s presentation might be introductory but DJ’s words within the writings have many depths and flavors and are well worth a second look. If you are not coming to the abstract cores yourself after all these years then you simply have not grown.



You see what opened for LW was his experience. After that experience he could see what DJ was getting at. You must bear in mind that even for someone like DJ these things are difficult to speak of and for us they are difficult to understand until one sees.Correction Lex, LW has said he had sorcery experiences first, then he read CC and 'got it' as he himself had already known, just not under toltec context. Losing his human form he did via the recommends of DJ, CC writings (silence internal dialog, state intent for FI to leave ). But, his experiences in sorcery came also prior to Castaneda.

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Correction Lex, LW has said he had sorcery experiences first, then he read CC and 'got it' as he himself had already known, NL
You see what opened for LW was his experience. After that experience he could see what DJ was getting at. Lex
NL what I am saying is that it hard to understand (the got it) without personal experience. By his own words LW says he had prior experience. That is how it was with me also. Prior experience before even reading CC.
I am not clear what you are trying to correct here????