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Carlos Castaneda
"No more than was my vision of the wild dogs . . ."





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The Art of Reality



Bruce Wagner remembers Carlos Castaneda



October 1, 2007



http://www.tricycle.com/feature/art-reality
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"Sorcerers understand discipline as the capacity to face with serenity odds that are not included in our expectations. For them, discipline is a volitional act that enables them to intake anything that comes their way without regrets or expectations. For sorcerers, discipline is an art: The art of facing infinity without flinching, not because they are filled with toughness, but because they are filled with awe. Discipline is the art of feeling awe."



Any manifestation of the universe, any way in which it behaves toward us, isn't merely about us, isn't merely psychological, but is a movement of the universe, and as such what happens to us, no matter what it is, connects us to everything, and in that connection what can be felt but awe? "A live world," he wrote, "is in constant flux. It moves; it changes; it reverses itself." We try to defend ourselves against that, but we cannot. The only freeing response is awe.



When I saw him years ago in that cellar, an unhappier man than the dying man at lunch, I wrote: His presence was an admission that every truth is fragile, that every knowledge must be learned over and over again, every night, that we grow not in a straight line but in ascending and descending and tilting circles, and that what gives us power one year robs us of power the next, for nothing is settled, ever, for anyone.



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The father or grandfather, Carlos Castaneda, will be removed to a better place this year. Maybe, some of you here will have the privilege and will be recruited for the operation, only if you are good enough.
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scout1 wrote:
The father or grandfather, Carlos Castaneda, will be removed to a better place this year. Maybe, some of you here will have the privilege and will be recruited for the operation, only if you are good enough.

I'm curious as to why you make comments like this, seemingly out of the blue, and then attempt to hook others into your agenda.  If the spirits are whispering in your ear, perhaps the whispers are for your ears only.  Food for thought.
What annoys me with this kind of post is that it uses blatantly manipulative language - "only if you are good enough", and "privilege" and "recruited".  All of these words are potential energy hooks, yet hooks to... what?  What is it you are really attempting to accomplish with posts like this?  I'm asking not in anger but genuine curiosity.  You post these statements as if they are fact, yet... ???  What do you hope to gain? 
Recently, you were off on a toot about don Juan telling you that Tensegrity would eat your soul.  Okay - maybe it will.  But... has it ever occurred to you that your hallucinations may NOT be coming from "on high"?  Has it ever occurred to you that some of the "messages" you are getting could just as easily be reflections of your own mind, or the foreign installation, or the flyers (about whom you seem very concerned)???
When attempting to disseminate information to others, it's vitally important to understand the SOURCE of your information... and I'm not the least bit sure you do.  Sorry - not intending to offend.  But OTOH, when someone shouts "Fire!" in a crowded theater, I'd better look up and see some smoke.
So... who told you Carlos is being moved, and why would you believe them?  Carlos is dead.  And all things considered, I strongly suspect the old boy can look out for himself. 
(Or maybe I'm just not good enough...)  Heh.
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QS: Carlitos will be moved from the DF world/plane to a more sunny-like plane with a bigger stone-house than he has currently and with all his dalmatians. Period. This is a special operation, i ve got a good intel on that, its teknically possible. Further details classified to general public.



You are not a good believer QS, neither me is, so Carlos is his afterlife landscape there - read Dreamways or Songbirds report on that, but sweetheart, do not go to that world on your own, they know about this operation already, so they are really lurking at that world with special measures to capture the visitors-dreamers or kill them on the spot.



But no problem for our operation "Carlitos new home".
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scout1 wrote:
QS: Carlitos will be moved from the DF world/plane to a more sunny-like plane with a bigger stone-house than he has currently and with all his dalmatians. Period. This is a special operation, i ve got a good intel on that, its teknically possible. Further details classified to general public.
You are not a good believer QS, neither me is, so Carlos is his afterlife landscape there - read Dreamways or Songbirds report on that, but sweetheart, do not go to that world on your own, they know about this operation already, so they are really lurking at that world with special measures to capture the visitors-dreamers or kill them on the spot.
But no problem for our operation "Carlitos new home".Fairy tales don't impress me.  You're right.  I'm not a good believer - and that is the result of years and years of work.  Believe nothing.  Follow no one.
Beyond that... you DO realize that what you are saying here is certifiably whackadoodle?  Dreaming is about building YOUR world, not trying to rearrange someone else's. 
*rolls eyes*
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Just because you dream something doesn't mean it is real.
Just because 2 or more people dream the same thing doesn't make it any MORE real.
A lot of dreaming occurs on the same frequency as telepathy, and as a result, a powerful dreamer may "pull" others into his/her dream, and inadvertently convince them that because they all dreamed the same thing, it is therefore reality.  Far more likely, it is a shared telepathic "movie" - projected by the most powerful dreamer in the group, and then experienced by others as "reality", when it is actually just special effects playing on a telepathic screen.
Sorry to cast doubt on whatever fairy tale you are attempting to peddle, but just because some powerful dreamers may have dreamt the same thing... doesn't make it real, and also doesn't mean their conclusions are "correct."  No offense intended toward anyone, but please keep in mind that what we EXPERIENCE in dreams often has very little to do with the CONCLUSIONS we draw when we wake up.  It's why dream interpretation is such an inexact science.  A cat may be just a cat in last night's dream, but a cat may be an ally last week.  Knowing the difference is never easy, despite what a lot of dreamers would have you believe. 
Bottom line:  dream YOUR dreams, not someone else's.
Carlos told me that.  And don Juan was playing a guitar in the background, singing old Mexican ballads with Genaro on drums.  Yup - I was there.  I saw it in Dreaming.  Therefore, it must be true!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OPmBImx4oA



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4XzipgqfbY



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk_VszbZa_s



I am afraid QS =))
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And I am reality estate agent myself and Carlitos can choose, also must ask him if he gives me a full authority, must persuade him, then the tactics will get more harder whats our tactics anyway.
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quantumshaman wrote:Just because you dream something doesn't mean it is real.
Just because 2 or more people dream the same thing doesn't make it any MORE real.
A lot of dreaming occurs on the same frequency as telepathy, and as a result, a powerful dreamer may "pull" others into his/her dream, and inadvertently convince them that because they all dreamed the same thing, it is therefore reality.  Far more likely, it is a shared telepathic "movie" - projected by the most powerful dreamer in the group, and then experienced by others as "reality", when it is actually just special effects playing on a telepathic screen.
Sorry to cast doubt on whatever fairy tale you are attempting to peddle, but just because some powerful dreamers may have dreamt the same thing... doesn't make it real, and also doesn't mean their conclusions are "correct."  No offense intended toward anyone, but please keep in mind that what we EXPERIENCE in dreams often has very little to do with the CONCLUSIONS we draw when we wake up.  It's why dream interpretation is such an inexact science.  A cat may be just a cat in last night's dream, but a cat may be an ally last week.  Knowing the difference is never easy, despite what a lot of dreamers would have you believe. 

Scout1's conclusion are not necessarily anyone else's opinions.  FYI



Also, dreams occur on a different timeline than waking reality, so how can we say what is 'real' and what is not real?  Sometimes a dream has the potential to become real and never does.  Other times, the potential is realized and we see the dream manifesting in our future.  Really, (pun intended) there are endless variations of dreams and waking realities and when the two merge, that is a magic that nobody can predict!
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songbird wrote:


Scout1's conclusion are not necessarily anyone else's opinions.  FYI





Also, dreams occur on a different timeline than waking reality, so how can we say what is 'real' and what is not real?  Sometimes a dream has the potential to become real and never does.  Other times, the potential is realized and we see the dream manifesting in our future.  Really, (pun intended) there are endless variations of dreams and waking realities and when the two merge, that is a magic that nobody can predict! 
My main caution here was to point out to Scout1... "Don't believe everything you dream", just as the old cliche... "Don't believe everything you think." 
I do agree with you that dreams occur in a different modality, which is why I think certain cautions MUST be observed, particularly when someone decides they are going to go charging into someone else's "afterlife", as Scout1 was suggesting.  And, as I pointed out to him, it was his use of manipulative language that really got my attention, even moreso than whatever he was proposing to do.  "If you're good enough" and "privilege" and so on... maybe entirely innocent on Scout1's part - I realize English is not his first language - but it just seems to me that there is a need to examine the difference between what we really KNOW about Dreaming, and what we THINK we know.
Having done some rather extensive dreaming myself, I have generally found that there is "dream logic" and there is "waking logic."  Trying to apply either one to the other generally doesn't end well.  Undecided  Sobriety is the keyword, but something I see very little of on most of these forums.  Someone "dreams" that don Juan told them to go jump off a bridge, they are just as likely to GO jump off a bridge as not... and that ain't an act of sobriety, especially because it involves giving one's Power away to what MIGHT be nothing more than the mental machinations of "ordinary" dreaming, or even the foreign installation.  So, taking that one step further, what happens when don Juan tells them to drink rat poison or kill the neighbor's dog?  The warrior who practices sobriety would obviously not be at risk, but how many "warriors" are REALLY warriors, and of those who ARE, how many are sufficiently "sober" to know the difference between "don Juan" and don Whacko?  There really IS a difference - which I'm sure YOU would know, but not sure 99% of folks on these forums would know. 
One of the functions of stalkers is to keep dreamers from running off the cliffs like eager lemmings.  *smiles*  One of the functions of dreamers is to keep stalkers from getting their feet permanently stuck in the mud.  LOL.
All things in balane.
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discourse is important
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QS: seesaw has asked DJ recently ask him
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scout1 wrote:
QS: seesaw has asked DJ recently ask him
Much as I like Seesaw, much as I like you, much as I like songbird... I don't accept anyone else's Dreaming as fact. 
You don't need to prove anything to me (or anyone else).
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QS: mkay. we will prove nothing here.
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scout1 wrote:
We will kill all new agers. PurgeJust gotta ask...
Do you have ANY idea how crazy you sound when you post things like this?  It is a disservice to the forum, to NLW, and - most of all - it is a disservice to yourself.
Do you EVER stop to think before you post?
This is EXACTLY the kind of whackadoodle posting that turns people OFF of Toltec nagualism altogether - too many fruitcakes playing too many games.
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QS> mercilessly. and DEA will help us with those taking drugs hh
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Lets eat them all !
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scout1 wrote: http://www.youtube.com/v/OGk2qmDmvT8?version=3&hl=en_US Lets eat them all !
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Dont blame everything bad on grandfather..
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scout1 wrote:
Dont blame everything bad on grandfather..
Not that you asked, but I'm going to offer you some friendly advice, from one warrior to another.  You really need to take a deep breath, slow down, and find your center - BEFORE you post every thought that goes flying through your mind.  This is an exercise in cohesion, and being impeccabe with your word. 

Not necessary for you to believe me or even to consider it.  But it's a challenge I put before you, because I think you MIGHT have some interesting things to contribute, but when your energy is all over the place (which it is), no one can take you seriously. 
Offered with open heart.  Do as you Will.
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QS: yes, i am in therapy with that.. i have told You already
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