Carlos Castaneda

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Helm is lee QS )) you have got me here )

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scout1 wrote:
QS: yes, i am in therapy with that.. i have told You already
If you're already in "therapy" with that, then I recommend you start to practice it.  Just stop and think, breathe, wait before you post every thought that goes through your mind.  Collect them all at the end of the day into a cohesive commentary about... anything.  Otherwise, it starts to resemble what happens when a ping pong ball gets caught in a wind machine... it tends to bounce off the walls until, eventually, it rolls under the desk and becomes lost.
Do as you Will (not as you "wish").  There is a vast difference.

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That forum is ful of treasures ))



like that



http://sustainedreaction....id-Dreaming#.T1JcBnK6Vw0



Of course Carlos provided a great illustration of how fanatical obsession even with a good thing like 'freedom' can be very unhealthy. In addition to freedom from country, family, and one's own right mind, Carlos also offered freedom from truth, freedom from reality, freedom from science and reason, freedom from genuine responsibility, freedom from love, freedom even from death. Carlos was practically psycho on the issue of freedom, to the point where almost everything else in a balanced life went into the toilet at the expense of some perfect, absolute, idealized freedom. Carlos became the superhero of those who know "the price of everything and the value of nothing".



A con needs a good hook to lure marks. Carlos offered absolute, supernatural freedom as the magical antidote to all of life's problems. That was his hook. But like any con, what Carlos offered and what he truly delivered were two different things.



The grandest freedom Carlos offered was to be the ability to 'go free' from the very world we live in, and at a minimum live for perhaps millions of years in the 'parallel universe' with the Inorganic Beings. He told us that. But when speaking to our class, Carlos also contradicted himself from day to day on this matter of 'leaving the world'. Some days Carlos would say he had 'lost the bird of freedom' and act like he had no hope. A week later he'd speak of how he had been 'out there navigating' all by himself and started thinking of how he might just go ahead and take off into infinity, then and there, all alone. So which was it, had he lost out, or could he just go??



Sometimes he would talk about how he supposedly had to be careful not to get together in a certain spot with Carol Tiggs, because they might both just burn from within right there without being able to stop it. Other days he would he would act like he had no hope at all, and tell us he didn't have enough energy to do anything but sit on the couch. Sometimes he'd say 'I'm gone' in a tone you'd think meant 'hey, I can leave this world any time I want'. Other times he'd say 'I'm gone' in a tone like '****, I'm a dead man.' No one ever knew for sure what he was talking about, including him. It was all bs.



Carlos went on too many times about how he had started burning from within and had to stop himself because didn't want to go yet. He told our class the same story Amy put in her book about his big toe starting to burn once and him having to stop it. Too often he lectured about how ordinary humans just decay and die, but not him, oh no, he had various options for an alternative freedom - even if he didn't succeed in going all the way and only got 'stuck in the second attention'. That was his continual claim. Heck, boys and girls, even if you don't make it to 'inconceivable freedom', you can still live in one of those '600 worlds' out there for centuries, millennia - whatever, it's better than just dying an ordinary death! Follow me to freedom!



Too many times Carlos talked about how you should free yourself by blowing your own head off rather than die a slow death from some disease like any ordinary a-hole'. Too many times he talked about how all the witches were 'ready to go' to 'freedom' now and how he was the only one who really wanted to stay longer just so he could teach us. It was like hey, if it wasn't for me, we'd all burn from within tomorrow and all have our amazing freedom right now. Too many times he talked about how he was going to try to take this or that person with him. He even talked to us this way sometimes, seriously, like he really thought some of us might be able to 'go with him'.



In any case ... the moment he learned he had cancer, since he wasn't teaching us any more, his alleged reason for staying ... then he should have gone ahead and burned from within to show us all his amazing freedom was all true. Right?? Or even if he could not, then at least one of the witches should have showed us how to take off into 'freedom', right? But Carlos only burned for the nice people at the crematorium, and did not take a single other person with him. Did Carlos even blow off his own head like he always preached would be better than dying an ordinary death? No. Like any ordinary man would, he stretched it out for months until he was decrepit, weak, and raving. He didn't walk any part of his talk. After all the endless talk about various possible kinds of 'freedom' from death, what's the point of sticking around and dying slowly of cancer? The point is: he was just a man like any other, only quite a bit crazier and more creative, that's all.



And did any of the witches or scouts then 'burn', since now they could finally 'go' like they always wanted to? Well, it's a lucky thing Cleargreen decided not to give us too big a lie on that one, because Patty Partin eventually turned up dead in the desert. And the rest of the women simply ran away (and may even be dead too). I can see why watching Carlos decay and die instead of attaining any kind of 'freedom' at all terrified the women and made them run away.



Why am I drumming this again? To make the point that it went way beyond Carlos. Let's not forget, there were supposedly four disciples of 'don Juan' here. Supposedly one of those four was also a nagual woman, and in addition there were a couple of alien 'scouts' who supposedly could go further into 'the unknown' than anyone. What's more, Carlos had repeatedly claimed they were all 'ready to go' at the drop of a hat, and he said the women were 'better' than he was. But none of them 'went'. Carlos went slow by cancer, the most talented 'scout' died in the desert, the other 'scout' got herself a colostomy bag, the four other leaders of Cleargreen including two 'witches' ran away (perhaps killed themselves too for all we know), and the only one of the original 'disciples of don Juan' left hides and does nothing for a decade. One might imagine that any of those 'disciples of don Juan' could have done something to make it apparent that the claims about 'amazing freedom' were real. But none of them did.



None. That's obviously because the 'amazing freedom' wasn't real. It was a grandiose illusion. The claims were lies. Perfect freedom was imaginary. It was all fiction all along.

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Have You Armando Torres book Encounters with Nagual ?



very good book



as an expert on Castaneda i say its only one book with Castanedas teachings, the books written by Dr. Castaneda ( he did it in sorceric manner - dreaming the texts and rewriting it in english in the morning, thus imbuing the text with intent, you can guess what an intent, as viewed as device deviced by DJM, i.e. that the books were the tool of the DJM to penetrate Western world via academy/university, so the ideas could not be dismissed easily. So the books are DJM, not CC, except of the last one.



I recommend reading the Torress book, the book is a catalyst.



If i had the book all those years ago, or had the balls or rather imagination or continuity of a sorcer, i would have my own Nagual group today or have been a member of a nagual group i have met those years ago, and also proufoundly contributed to renewal of nagual lineages on global scale. Lost years.



The book contains this plan of reneval of nagual lineages on global scale.





I think like that and for example consider these two forums, NLWs and Dreamways, as a good paragon, and in this regard,



there is this possibility that all these information (contained in Torress book)



will take an acculuturation motion thru social information channels - meaning acculturation of dreaming attention into the West and the developed world.



I have conctuted some soc-ing or info-psychological experiments on larger groups of people (cca 1000-2000 at once) - with the Flyers or predator info campaing, and the results were very interesting. What a pity its not patentable )) - Frankly, its still possible to earn millions of dollars on that, via movies, even the Hollywood. PM me if You are interested in this byz =)



So the basic way is the acculturation of dreaming attention. Otherwise, its human evolution.



I have seen a great decline in the West in this regard of evolution and also the evolution itself, its running now, i have seen very promising trends and i feel like i am obliged to help.

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We can sum it up in one sentence, in one syntactic command imbued with intent:
Be warriors !!

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It was two years before Torres s catalyst book was published as Carlos Castaneda asked him to do it, 4 years later (due to detractors), in 2004. (there is in reality no such bullshit as its presented on Sustained action or reaction, there is either impecable practice or nothing.

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evolutionary intent of renewal of nagual lineages..they wont use that nahuatl word nagual anymore anyway
the matrix of intent and got the interference

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not sure if this was Bob, but i really wonder if they are on warrior path as of today..
 

CC predicts in Torres book everything

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scout1 wrote:Carlos s landspaces of death in afterlife seems to be pretty gloomy destination in the active side of infity like a graveyard you wrote.





Pretty individual destination for everybody it seems to be.





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some basic notes on topic of the afterlife landscapes from world literature.





All the afterlife landscapes are basically gloomy, if your not headed in spirit to heavens (in kama-loka) or Gods realms (rupa-loka) or in the sphere of pure mind (arupa-loka). Buddhist cosmology overview:



http://www.accesstoinsigh...f/dhamma/sagga/loka.html



I recommed this book about this topic by Stan Grof full of data:



http://www.amazon.com/Ult...tery-Death/dp/0966001990





And Armando Torres s book with first class quotes on topic.



Journey thru bardo is very well described in the tibetan thanatological texts (+Sogjal R. book Tib.book. on death and Nam. Norbu R. books on dzogcen phowa)



You should always consider "dependent co-arising" or continuation in that.





The classical view is recorded from ancient Egypt leading to Mesopotamia and Greece Underworlds. Maya has a good elaborated incubators for unborn. You can map and see it for yourself with energy body (Soul). Its all located in the Cosmos.



Its the view that our being has components and there is some degree of continuity after the death.



Compare Egypt: 2 components of soul ( Ka and Ba in Egyptian original), so, the ka - spirit continues thru bardo and the memory the shadow ba withou will goes past acheron to Hades (underworld where its like hollow memory remainder the shade).



But in fact, its only one component of continuity of afterlife although there could be a remainder or emanations, but simply said the counsciousness continues to 6 realms of existence... hells, ghost-shades, demons(Jinn), organic life, titans (asura), kama loka Gods, rupa loka Gods and magnitudal states of pure mind (arupa loka).



In nagualism you have either some degree of coherence it the active side of infinity (the afterlife) or its Graveyard....





A nice shot of Ancestors world is in the end of Gladiator film
clever boy

[scout1]

The only real failure in life is not to be true to the best one knows.



- Buddha

[mocomoracho]

Thank you Scout1

[Senear]

scout1 wrote:the books written by Dr. Castaneda ( he did it in sorceric manner - dreaming the texts and rewriting it in english in the morning, thus imbuing the text with intent, you can guess what an intent, as viewed as device deviced by DJM, i.e. that the books were the tool of the DJM to penetrate Western world via academy/university, so the ideas could not be dismissed easily.

If i had the book all those years ago, or had the balls or rather imagination or continuity of a sorcer, i would have my own Nagual group today or have been a member of a nagual group i have met those years ago, and also proufoundly contributed to renewal of nagual lineages on global scale. Lost years.



The book contains this plan of reneval of nagual lineages on global scale.

i have made a choice - insane choice - 10 years ago in 2002,
and i have not joined or rather co-laborated with a Nagual group
(lineage). But i have seen this evolutionary intent of reneval of
"nagual" (we wont use that nahuatl word anymore anyway in the West)
lineages, the matrix of intent 10 years ago and got the interference.






On a cold winter morning in a time before the light

In flames of death's eternal reign we ride towards the fight

When the darkness has fallen down and the times are tough alright

The sound of evil laughter falls around the world tonight



Fighting hard fighting on for the steel through the wastelands evermore

The scattered souls will feel the hell bodies wasted on the shores

On the blackest plains in hell's domain we watch them as they go

In fire and pain now once again we know



So now we fly ever free, we're free before the thunderstorm

On towards the wilderness our quest carries on

Far beyond the sundown, far beyond the moonlight

Deep inside our hearts and all our souls



So far away we wait for the day

For the light source so wasted and gone

We feel the pain of a lifetime lost in a thousand days

Through the fire and the flames we carry on



As the red day is dawning and the lightning cracks the sky

They'll raise their hands to the heavens above with resentment to their eyes

Running back through the mid morning light there's a burning in my heart

We're banished from a time in a fallen land to a life beyond the stars



In your darkest dreams see to believe our destiny this time

And endlessly we'll all be free tonight



And on the wings of a dream so far beyond reality

All alone in desperation now the time has come

Lost inside you'll never find, lost within my own mind

Day after day this misery must go on



So far away we wait for the day

For the light source so wasted and gone

We feel the pain of a lifetime lost in a thousand days

Through the fire and the flames we carry on



Wha-o-o! Whao-o-oh! Whao-o-oh! Wha-o-o! Whao-o-oh! Whao-o-oh!



Now here we stand with their blood on our hands

We fought so hard now can we understand

I'll break the seal of this curse if I possibly can

For freedom of every man



So far away we wait for the day

For the light source so wasted and gone

We feel the pain of a lifetime lost in a thousand days

Through the fire and the flames we carry on
.

[scout1]

One important note i could have reduced all the words to this note, and stress it repeatedly:



Warrior is epitome of being in the world, but the mode is inner silence, authenticity. If you are not living in inner silence, you are completely losing your life time. Silence is primary, original nature, your own being. So without being in silence, everything is a nonsense.



The best method to get to original nature is zazen (in japanese), in sakrit dhyana in asana, sitting meditation in a physiological posture, meditation-concentration. You can use any other teknic, but whats really important is to get there to silence, so you can live fully, not losing the beauty of your life with internal babble/commenting/obtrusion...



You inner silence means to become deeply friend with yourself. Silence is the authenticity of your own being itself. Without being in silence your are wasting/losing your own being, it means only complications without silence.





The best for inner silence is zazen, for zazen. Buddha sits zazen. Buddha is the one who is practising inner silence, authenticity, deeply. You are that, being that, so you are not separating the ego from the universe, there is simply no difference, ego, the beggar, the thief has dissappeared.



This is freedom. Inner silence is freedom. The return to paradise. The cornerstone.





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I am sorry if you get confused from my posts formerly.







Thanks Senear and have a nice day/night Mocomoracho =)

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Thanks QS for feedback/support.

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I am sorry if you get confused from the posts here, i am abstract philosopher, phenomenologist, doing experiments with syntax, its an exercise, in applied hermeneutics.

[quantumshaman]

scout1 wrote:
I am sorry if you get confused from the posts here, i am abstract philosopher, phenomenologist, doing experiments with syntax, its an exercise, in applied hermeneutics.
What happens if you are just yourself, without all the labels?

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scout1 wrote:

Thanks QS for feedback/support.

You were pointed out to me by Power.

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quantumshaman wrotecout1 wrote:

Thanks QS for feedback/support.

You were pointed out to me by Power.

[Guest]

"We don't need no education

We dont need no thought control

No dark sarcasm in the classroom

Teachers leave them kids alone

Hey! Teachers! Leave them kids alone!

All in all it's just another brick in the wall.

All in all you're just another brick in the wall." Pink Floyd

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wider aspect of Great Spirit

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If you think i am your litte tyrant with my abusive posts here gimme know )

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[Guest]

scout1 wrote:If you think i am your litte tyrant with my abusive posts here gimme know )I wasn't thinking of you at all. I mean that in a good way. Its about silence, the only teacher we have.

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Ravenmoon wrotecout1 wrote:If you think i am your litte tyrant with my abusive posts here gimme know )I wasn't thinking of you at all. I mean that in a good way. Its about silence, the only teacher we have.

Nope girl.. its about living in silence, from the silence, from your center. its about being there, not to conceptualize. its your woman side, your intuition, silent knowledge. just get deeper into your silence, into your being. spirit has already descended. you just need the power of silence. authenticity =))