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Carlos Castaneda
glance left wrote:I saw that second hag/ghoul about 3-4 weeks ago after I transitioned into the dreaming body beside my bed. Walked out the door and began to lift off to fly down the breezeway and out the front door to our apartment complex...and that thing was hanging, like a vampire, upside down in the doorway...humongous jet black shadow menacing which delivered me a barrage of gothic/baroque images and symbols into my dreaming eye as I flew towards it. I knew it was trying to disrupt me with fear, injecting me with a feeling of power with all the flashes of imagery and its imposing form. I didn't even slow down...just flew right through the center of it...and, sure enough, it was insubstantial. As I accelerated up and into the sky I turned and gave the beastie, still hanging in the doorway, a little curt wave and a wink...."Later, gator!"



They feed on fear it seems....strong emotional reaction. If you dont' give it...they don't get it...and then they're gone And that was not me GL )
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scout1 wrote:
quantumshaman wrote:
You may not be pulling it out of YOUR ass, but you are pulling it out of the ass of the collective/consensual agreement.
You have no knowledge that I have seen.  Instead, you have tons of "information," most of which is nothing more than false belief systems heaped onto you by all those dusty books you've read.  Just 'cuz they're old doesn't make them true.  *shrugs*
Knowledge is the result of experience - nothing more, nothing less.  Therefore, I submit to you the idea that you really don't KNOW much of anything.  You are just a conduit for books you've read, videos you've watched, **** you have accumulated in your head.
None of it is real unless and until it is processed through experience.
You try to pass yourself off as a teacher, when the harsh reality is that you are desperately in need of one.  Not me - I don't want the job, because frankly I think any potential you may have is being devoured by your self-importance.  Demanding that someone call you professor?  Almost cracked a rib I laughed so hard on that one.
Throw all the books in the trash.  Then you'll be at a good starting point.
Until then, I won't waste anymore time or energy here.Madam, we have an agreement here =)
Thanks for a kind feedback. I cant change that i am scholar, i am scholar. Scientist. Phenomenology of "religion", comparative religion, ethnography, like Castaneda. Thats my hobby.  Of course i am not pulling it out of my ass, once again just for the others: Dreamways notes are valid (e.g. he is meeting DJ), Songbird was in Castanedas homeworld, another informant has met really the Tenant, i have met the nagual group (lineage) etc. I have full membership to the knowledge. I am the sure boy. So the world of sorcers and  the world of Dharma is real - the buddhist sorcerers/yogi/boddhisattvas (i have the full experience with that, really). even the Gods. not the lesser gods, like mayan or aztec gods/demons, or the mythological heroes.
The only reason i am writing about it here is thats my duty writing for those who have doubts about the importance of their life and death and thus their own spiritual practice, ie how they live, how they relate to Infinity, the Absolute.
I stress that Dharma is the primary, the Law. If you ignore it, you are simply ignorant like the old sorcerers, and thats the stupid mistake nowadays..

Today, you say Dharma is the primary law.  Tomorrow you will say it is karma or schwarma or canned spam.  The problem is that you are disseminating a lot of false information based on nothing more than data from books.  If you are so compelled to write, why not write about YOUR experiences.
I suspect the posts would be considerably shorter.
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quantumshaman wroteConfusedcout1 wrote:
quantumshaman wrote:
You may not be pulling it out of YOUR ass, but you are pulling it out of the ass of the collective/consensual agreement.
You have no knowledge that I have seen.  Instead, you have tons of "information," most of which is nothing more than false belief systems heaped onto you by all those dusty books you've read.  Just 'cuz they're old doesn't make them true.  *shrugs*
Knowledge is the result of experience - nothing more, nothing less.  Therefore, I submit to you the idea that you really don't KNOW much of anything.  You are just a conduit for books you've read, videos you've watched, **** you have accumulated in your head.
None of it is real unless and until it is processed through experience.
You try to pass yourself off as a teacher, when the harsh reality is that you are desperately in need of one.  Not me - I don't want the job, because frankly I think any potential you may have is being devoured by your self-importance.  Demanding that someone call you professor?  Almost cracked a rib I laughed so hard on that one.
Throw all the books in the trash.  Then you'll be at a good starting point.
Until then, I won't waste anymore time or energy here.Madam, we have an agreement here =)
Thanks for a kind feedback. I cant change that i am scholar, i am scholar. Scientist. Phenomenology of "religion", comparative religion, ethnography, like Castaneda. Thats my hobby.  Of course i am not pulling it out of my ass, once again just for the others: Dreamways notes are valid (e.g. he is meeting DJ), Songbird was in Castanedas homeworld, another informant has met really the Tenant, i have met the nagual group (lineage) etc. I have full membership to the knowledge. I am the sure boy. So the world of sorcers and  the world of Dharma is real - the buddhist sorcerers/yogi/boddhisattvas (i have the full experience with that, really). even the Gods. not the lesser gods, like mayan or aztec gods/demons, or the mythological heroes.
The only reason i am writing about it here is thats my duty writing for those who have doubts about the importance of their life and death and thus their own spiritual practice, ie how they live, how they relate to Infinity, the Absolute.
I stress that Dharma is the primary, the Law. If you ignore it, you are simply ignorant like the old sorcerers, and thats the stupid mistake nowadays..

Today, you say Dharma is the primary law.  Tomorrow you will say it is karma or schwarma or canned spam.  The problem is that you are disseminating a lot of false information based on nothing more than data from books.  If you are so compelled to write, why not write about YOUR experiences.
I suspect the posts would be considerably shorter.  YOU ARE WRONG QS.
I have the experiences. I testify here its valid 100 %. Dont tell me that i cant do it. Dont be arrogant.
Just that i refuse to write about myself doesnt give You the rights to criticise me or, as You do it, You are refusing to have a discoure, to even think about Dharma.. this is because You have no experience with it. But i have both the experience of the sorcerers wordl and the world of Dharma.
You are simply wrong QS here. Not me.. What i wrote about, we can say its Buddhas knowledge and the knowledge of sorcerers like Don Juan. And i know its true, from my experience.
You are taking Yourself too much seriously QS.
I can tell You that for a modern seer cultivation of an intelect is necessary. If You ignorant of a whole domain of knowledge (dont forget that i am the first class scientist here) thats Your problem and i suggest You to have a second look. Not at me, but at the sources of knowledge, particulary the Dharma world.
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I am right 100 %. QS is wrong. I was joking about grandfather/new agers and QS does not simply got it. Its her problem.
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scout1 wrote:
YOU ARE WRONG QS.
I have the experiences. I testify here its valid 100 %. Dont tell me that i cant do it. Dont be arrogant.
Just that i refuse to write about myself doesnt give You the rights to criticise me or, as You do it, You are refusing to have a discoure, to even think about Dharma.. this is because You have no experience with it. But i have both the experience of the sorcerers wordl and the world of Dharma.
You are simply wrong QS here. Not me.. What i wrote about, we can say its Buddhas knowledge and the knowledge of sorcerers like Don Juan. And i know its true, from my experience.
You are taking Yourself too much seriously QS.
I can tell You that for a modern seer cultivation of an intelect is necessary. If You ignorant of a whole domain of knowledge (dont forget that i am the first class scientist here) thats Your problem and i suggest You to have a second look. Not at me, but at the sources of knowledge, particulary the Dharma world.
The fact that you are so quick to defend yourself only points out your insecurity.  Warriors have nothing to defend, including their own knowledge. 
It's not about being right or wrong.  It's about stalking yourself sufficiently to realize that your most precious beliefs (in this case your belief about karma and dharma) are usually good clues as to where you need to start examining what you believe, why you believe it, and why it seems so important to you that others believe it, too.
If you think **I** am arrogant, look in your own mirror, professor.    What you Know would fill a thimble.  What you THINK... fills this forum.
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I dont agree QS =)) We should rather speak about Quantum Shamanism together. I compute the quantum mechanical systems, so i have this special view of reality, where i view it as a gigantic matrix that superinteligence is computing.. its something like the hologram universe with this superinteligence computing it, but on the level of matter, our life runs on these molecular systems. As a scientist i think that the inorganic worlds of consciousness could be possible linked to the dark matter. I have posted about the distribution of baryonic/dark matter.
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take it as a fact
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scout1 wrote:
I dont agree QS =)) We should rather speak about Quantum Shamanism together. I compute the quantum mechanical systems, so i have this special view of reality, where i view it as a gigantic matrix that superinteligence is computing.. its something like the hologram universe with this superinteligence computing it, but on the level of matter, our life runs on these molecular systems. As a scientist i think that the inorganic worlds of consciousness could be possible linked to the dark matter. I have posted about the distribution of baryonic/dark matter.
Good enough - see, I have no objection to talking about dark energy or dark matter with you, because if that really IS what you know, that's a different matter.  It's when someone (anyone, including you) starts trying to cram karma and dharma down my throat that I encourage them to take a step back and really take a better look at what they KNOW as opposed to what they THINK they know. 
FWIW, I do think we live in a holographic universe, and that the "superintelligence" may actually be one of two things.
1.  The superintelligence may be a gestalt of every being who has ever lived or ever will - i.e., the combined life experience of all living things, past, present & future. 
2.  The superintelligence may be an interface between the mortal self and the immortal/eternal double - i.e., the double is ubiquitious throughout (and beyond) the space/time continuum, so it would have access to the non-local web of information.  We may PERCEIVE this as "god", but it would be our conclusions that would be questionable - not the phenomenon itself.
That's why I have no faith in karma or dharma or any of the other "ancient" belief systems.  Just because something happens doesn't mean our interpretation of it is accurate.  Garbage dump has lots of flies, but to conclude that the flies are creating the garbage... well... 'nuff said.
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quoting NLW:



There is intent and that is all. Intent is the forming of energy, thought,and power by living beings whether they be a tree, a tiger, a man. This intent usually is small but if it is present then that is enough for a answer...one must trust something in this type of study. If you say you saw me in a dream then you "saw" my dreaming body OR a self created form of me. If it was me and you felt that or that was your intent, then it was either one of the two things: me or you created me in your "dream". To dream with you and have memory of the event there is two ways for that to happen: I Lie next to you and hold your hand or touch your body , or meet with you with my double in the third attention. With intent we as can dream together, but "remembering" is another thing entirely. Doubles are the dreaming enitities of our other side or one's "nagual". Each person has two sides: Awake side and sleep side. The sleep side is mostly aware of the awake side but not vice versa. Don Juan teaches you how to access your other side. Nagual. The one that is present and loose in the world. This enitity is like god. It is a force that watches you when you think your alone. It never uses words but still communcates with you. It is the wildness of the night that changes in you. I, while growing up realized the nagual's presence all the time. It made me crazy at times. How do you tell people that there is a invisible force that is always with you??? What should you do next? Stalk that which stalks you.



- end of NLW quote.



Just another data
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Another data, Dreamways 2008. Frankly, we are here in "etnographers paradise". And partly due to/ thanks to grandfather.. i can only regret not coming here all those years ago.



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Bob May wrote: "If IB is Angels too. "



Maybe fallen angels, but I would not ask one for help. It would be kind of like letting the Mafia do you a favor.



Dreamways:



Amen to that. Plus, the Jinn rule the "fallen angels", according to the Koran. They are the jailers and punishers of the fallen, no matter how high they used to be.





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end of quote.
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scout1 wrote:
Another data, Dreamways 2008. Frankly, we are here in "etnographers paradise". And partly due to/ thanks to grandfather.. i can only regret not coming here all those years ago.
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Bob May wrote: "If IB is Angels too. "
Maybe fallen angels, but I would not ask one for help. It would be kind of like letting the Mafia do you a favor.
Dreamways:
Amen to that. Plus, the Jinn rule the "fallen angels", according to the Koran. They are the jailers and punishers of the fallen, no matter how high they used to be.

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end of quote.This is EXACTLY what I mean by the potential for false conclusions leading to false belief systems.  I'm not denying Dreamways' abilities, just pointing out that what HAPPENED may not be the same thing as what is CONCLUDED.
Fallen angels?  Aliens?  Allies?  We have no way of knowing what IS, and so we are too eager to settle for what we THINK might be.
Dangerous territory.
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Its the QS or Dreamways who have the wrong built or partial metaphysical/ontological view. Not "me", btw there is no me..



I am the Scholar. Nagual asks the scholar.



As a scholar, i have studied all the information. This not only all the books on the earth and hidden knowledge, its virtually all the knowledge you can put into words/syntax, and remain coherent. OI am coherent, You dont understand. Under-education, weak intelects and simply lack of information hh. Or the experience.. i am interested in the condensed experience, COEX systems, if i borrow the term. And these COEX systems are simply existent, you can grab for them. Also interesting term here is the word "terma", and the Terton (in tibetan) who uncovers it. Terton grabs into particular strata (e.g. jidams or archetypal/transpersonal sphere)



QS has lost debate here. she is not even familiar with Stanislav Grof. Btw its only a fraction of relations what i present here.



As to the knowledge, i am the monster here, one of the worlds top scholar. There some others professors of metaphycics, in India or China, the scholars, e.g. Ananda Koomaraswami. The scholars into ancient knowledge. And in this regard, i can have all you here for a brekfast hh. I am the Scholar.
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scout1 wrote:
Its the QS or Dreamways who have the wrong build or partial metaphysical/ontological view. Not "me", btw there is no me..
I am the Scholar. Nagual asks the scholar.
As a scholar, i have studied all the information. This not only all the books on the earth and hidden knowledge, its virtually all the knowledge you can put into words/syntax, and remain coherent. OI am coherent, You dont understand. Under-education, weak intelects and simply lack of information hh. Or the experience.. i am interested in the condensed experience, COEX systems, if i borrow the term. And these COEX systems are simply existent, you can grab for them. Also interesting term here is the word "terma", and the Terton (in tibetan) who uncovers it. Terton grabs into particular strata (e.g. jidams or archetypal/transpersonal sphere)
QS has lost debate here. she is not even familiar with Stanislav Grof. Btw its only a fraction of relations what i present here.
As to the knowledge, i am the monster here, one of the worlds top scholar. There some others professors of metaphycics, in India or China, the scholars, e.g. Ananda Koomaraswami. The scholars into ancient knowledge. And in this regard, i can have all you here for a brekfast hh. I am the Scholar.You have wandered off into the world of Quackadoodle.  Again.
If you're having me for breakfast, please slather me in milk, honey and bananas... and then...
Eat me.
Bwa.  Ha.  Hah!
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QS: are You waiting for a miracle here ? =)))))
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scout1 wrote:
QS: are You waiting for a miracle here ? =)))))When I need a miracle, I create one.  Heh.
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Thank You QS
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Dreamways has posted: "there is no karma for sorcerers." Wrong assumption.



Explanation



When the physical body dies off what you enter in and encounter is/WAS exactly what is your ACTION=karma. You enter the intermediate state (tibetan bardo).





CC has called it the aspects of oneself, without linear time and gravity, personal heavens and hells. Meaning the bardo.
BUT then the re-appearing of the mindstream/energy as a being follows.. (some degree of continuation, but impersonal, there is no-ego to reincarnate do not take it wrong its dissolution of components in nagual and reappearing, thru the intermediate state, bardo)



Toltec sorcerers dont have the another type of seeing, seeing the rebirth/reappearing of beings according to their karma. This is another type of seeing, next to seeing energy directly. A further or higher aspect. Mexican sorcerers did not not have this aspect of seeing.



In the case of toltec nagualist, post mortem, the impersonal forces (intent) of cosmos are running this transformations and continuations.
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This was about importance of spiritual practice/orientation, how we live our lives. We should be humane fully at first, to live our lives fully, or our lives are the source of pain for ourselves. You can see it here that its not simple, that Universe is a full-spectrum Universe, its not toltec, thats only one tradition. This possibility to live fully is thru inner silence - this is the real state of freedom, a paradise. Zazen can give us complete silence, complete peace. And in this silence we can be free. This is freedom.





Thus we intend freedom with our hearts, truth of our lives, authenticity, beauty, love. A path of heart. Freedom, love.
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"Genaro's love is the world," he said. "He was just now embracing this enormous earth but since he's so little all he can do is swim in it. But the earth knows that Genaro loves it and it bestows on him its care. That's why Genaro's life is filled to the brim and his state, wherever he'll be, will be plentiful. Genaro roams on the paths of his love and, wherever he is, he is complete."



"This is the predilection of two warriors," he said. "This earth, this world. For a warrior there can be no greater love."



"Only if one loves this earth with unbending passion can one release one's sadness," don Juan said. "A warrior is always joyful because his love is unalterable and his beloved, the earth, embraces him and bestows upon him inconceivable gifts. The sadness belongs only to those who hate the very thing that gives shelter to their beings."







"This lovely being, which is alive to its last recesses and understands every feeling, soothed me, it cured me of my pains, and finally when I had fully understood my love for it, it taught me freedom."
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scout1 wrote:glance left wrote:I saw that second hag/ghoul about 3-4 weeks ago after I transitioned into the dreaming body beside my bed. Walked out the door and began to lift off to fly down the breezeway and out the front door to our apartment complex...and that thing was hanging, like a vampire, upside down in the doorway...humongous jet black shadow menacing which delivered me a barrage of gothic/baroque images and symbols into my dreaming eye as I flew towards it. I knew it was trying to disrupt me with fear, injecting me with a feeling of power with all the flashes of imagery and its imposing form. I didn't even slow down...just flew right through the center of it...and, sure enough, it was insubstantial. As I accelerated up and into the sky I turned and gave the beastie, still hanging in the doorway, a little curt wave and a wink...."Later, gator!"



They feed on fear it seems....strong emotional reaction. If you dont' give it...they don't get it...and then they're gone And that was not me GL )

Now why would you think that I thought for a moment that that shadow was you, Scout? 
Where do all these words come from?  All these descriptions like a blackboard full of computations/equations..on and on and on...and then...waaaaay down in the corner is the "=" sign and then a single "eureka!" inducing symbol or gesture or word or number...maybe the number "0" perhaps...that is the answer to all of that busy work.  I was sitting on the can this morning...unloading my unnecessary **** LOL! and I overheard a conversation going on outside the door.  Two students talking...one guy was talking to a girl about a test he just took where he didn't have time to finish, apparently.  He said, "I knew all the answers...but I just took too long over-analysing the questions!"
You've mentioned Dzogchen a few times in the forum I see....with all this esoteric nomenclature describing its various peripheral features which are inherent in the lineages, like all the details of the computations on that chalk board.  The funny thing is, in my understanding and practice of Dzogchen, all of that really doesn't have anything to do with what Dzogchen is all about.  In fact, Dzogchen is really only about one thing, and you know what that is just as I do.  That one thing is no thing at all...nothing!  It's simply pure, silent, and effortless spontaneously energetic awareness that doesn't discriminate (flyer's mind) between anything in particular.  It perceives the difference in that all the manifestations/fluctuations are perennially in fluid motion around us, but it doesn't think about it...form ideas about it....it simply perceives the forever-flow of the luminous details that blaze around us all the time.  Dzogchen just silently and bravely dives into that single central unified awareness until the apparent form of things...the illusion of separate solid objects...dissolves into formlessness.  Pure, clear light that cruises effortlessly in pure clear emptiness. 
That's it...that's Dzogchen.  There are techniques upon techniques and debates upon debates and layers and layers of descriptions of various stages and thresholds of awareness as one moves down the path, but to me it all seems to spawn from that of the flyer's mind that just doesn't want to give up its seat...just wants to survive and keep talking.  *to my flyer* It's ok, bra....I understand...we all want to hang out, eat and live....but then again, for all of us there is a time to move on.  And this is your time.
Ok...time for my to step off ....and to practice what I preach
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scout1 wrote:
Dreamways has posted: "there is no karma for sorcerers." Wrong assumption.

   Dreamways is right.  Here's why:
Aside from the fact that karma itself is a humanform assignation of meaning to things that are utterly random and meaningless... the sorcerer who has recapitulated his life has already given back any IDEA of karma, by presenting "the eagle" with a complete replica of his/her life.
If you believe in karma, you condemn yourself to the limitations it places upon you.  The sorcerer who practices "the right way to live" (which has nothing to do with morality or social/cultural taboos, but which is inside each and every human being), will always do "right", and so there is no reason to live with the anvil of karma hanging over one's head.
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I agree with Dreamways and QS in a manner of speaking. The clearest path I see involves learning to deal with karmic traces as they crop up, which is really the ultimate form of the recapitulation list, in my opinion, because it reveals what is pertinent right then and there when it is pertinent and can be dealt with right then and there if one stays "on top of it as it is happening". But then again, we tend to miss things...get swept away...so I definitely see the value of the reviewal too. If this kind of silent awareness is upheld long enough, sweeping away karmic traces as they emerge when they emerge, then eventually we are clear of them...and we are just suspended in the moment..with clear presence...without interference from past reactions that haven't been dealt with yet.
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I have posted already there is difference between formal thinking/reason and being from the silence, the silent knowledge, i.e. living in the silence, whats the point here.....



GL: very good post GL. To the point. I think we must give our whole heart to this practice of present moment. Rigpa in tibetan. This is also same for the zen=zazen. Or the Now of the warrior-seer. Thank You for this post. Yes, too much formal thinking in a short period of time. But then, after we have cleared it all up sufficiently, then we submerse ourselves, dive deep into long period of inner silence. I just had this little exercise in a formal thought here, posted about what i wanted to post and then i can simply shut down.



I am aware that You view my posts. In the issue of understanding, this is a matter how we are sincere to ourselves. As the Universe wants us to be sincere, sincere. Universe wants only one sincere moment, and then.. to be sincere. And it wants us to be responsible men.



QS: frankly, when i speak about these subjects those are only ultra-short notes. Likewise You wanted to speak about quantum gravity or quantum electrodynamics, and explain it in a few sentences. Castaneda has called it "sorcery 101".



So the word karma (kamma).. in short its simply what one does.. what he/she become.. karma is the action like sow a thought, you get a deed, then habit, then destiny and this is your life. Its a very blatant fact. You get what you really do/practice/work on or not.



If we look deeper, for example at cyclic being or mutuel interdepence or connectivity of being, whats still also only an idea..



we get then to the core of issue of the "rebirth" cycle, and the corresponding term is: Pratītyasamutpāda



http://en.wikipedia.org/w...t%C4%ABtyasamutp%C4%81da



Pratītyasamutpāda is this mechanism/law in reality.





From the remainderless fading and cessation of ignorance comes the cessation of (volitional) fabrications. From the cessation of (volitional) fabrications comes the cessation of consciousness. From the cessation of consciousness comes the cessation of name-and-form. From the cessation of name-and-form comes the cessation of the six sense media. From the cessation of the six sense media comes the cessation of contact. From the cessation of contact comes the cessation of feeling. From the cessation of feeling comes the cessation of craving. From the cessation of craving comes the cessation of clinging/sustenance. From the cessation of clinging/sustenance comes the cessation of becoming. From the cessation of becoming comes the cessation of birth.





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Yes, Yoga and Buddhism (Nikaya, Zen, Tantric) are not toltec nagualism. I know these "systems", the mechanisms, the differences.



I know what a result of complete recapitulation brings for a seer.
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Yes, "karmic traces" are the unsolved issues for recapitulation, and in the term of energy, "karmic traces" are interchanges of energy/consciousness.



Exact explanations have its value, you can get very clear view then on how to work practically, where you stand, how you stand e.g. what to do exactly.



And to have this, the most possible exact view on reality is a matter of knowledge, benefit, well-being, survival. Matter of reason.



You have also the "sorcerers explanation". And the los nuevos videntes concepts. The abstract cores of sorcery. The "truths" of awarness, e.g. the energetic facts.



We should have look at it as on energetic facts. I speak only about energetic facts, the (energetic) mechanisms (laws) and the planes/layers of awareness.



Pratītyasamutpāda is the energetic mechanism of cyclical awareness-consciousnes.
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