Carlos Castaneda

[CI5]

once upon a time



in a land not far from here



there were two men standing side by side



both watching a sunset



a disembodied voice asked "what do you see?"



1st man: "everything!"

2nd man:"nothing!"



now lets see what else is going on in the world



a woman apears, she has the most beautiful cardboard cut out of carlos castenada

the most beautiful of them all



she reads his books every day and can recite quotes on command



the disembodied voice comes......but the cardboard cookie cutout truths weigh down her mind...she hears nothing

[CI5]

I have updated the relevant explanations at series of posts at Modern Nagualism-What Happens After Death? thread: check the full thread with NLWs (he is our test pilot anyway,) experiences at http://sorcery.yuku.com/t...eath?page=1#.UAmBYVIs1w0



some are reposted here:



i.e. Nagual says the the right intent for the first attention is to live a happy life, for tonal. Buddha says that truth means to be happy, to live happily. thats the path of heart. the same.



in this manner one takes a good care about the second attention body, the energy body, the soul, double



as this second attention body the energy body is a real deal of matters, the problem after death of physical body, as it goes to Space either way... a form of continuation/transference/transformation



third attention is cosmic consciousness not in assemblage point, but point of merging with universe states of consciousness.





at the point of third attention (i.e. past death) you encounter the Universal energetic facts, those are cosmic states of consciousness.. like the Clear light of the absolute basis of Universe consciousness





this is not just a plain infinite consciousness, a force of creation, a plateau from which spring the total energy fields of Universe, nevetherless it has total infinite consciousness..



it is the TOTAL UNIVERSE CONSCIOUSNESS PLATEAU, the state of BUDDHA basis. The Clear Light of Consc. and the total energy fields of Universe emanate from that.





this the difference in the orientation or attitude in buddhism/nagualism axis - the attitude to the "third attention" universal energetic facts. i.e. the Buddha is directly oriented to that basis (atiyoga/dzogchen) and Nagual is oriented only on the point of crossing in the third attention.



But i say that as we hold the knowledge, if you say that some has "dissolved", such a being either became one with that infinite base (Buddha) or emanated.



We can make a synthesis on Buddhism/Nagualism at this point of third attention - either crossing over or merging, we can describe it. Such a Nagual then becomes a pratyeka-buddha class.





we are able to write a new chapter in the history, of Modern Nagualism.



first, i can point this important distinction at two points:



1) the crossing over at the third attention intact - one leaves intact (the fire from withing only option, this is not death =) there is no death at this point, both two energy spheres merges and leaves



but this is an accomplishment. otherwise if you die, if you die and dissintegrates at your physical body energy sphere, only your energy body leaves, as a "ghost", thats the "flight to second attention". thats "graveyard" according to DJM.



2) if you leave - the crossing over at the third attention intact - you are going to the Stars.



but if you boot it as pratyeka-buddha, you can mount yourself on the infinite planes anywhere =))





So this modern upgrade to the Nagual proposal is the devolopment of deep inner silence levels (jhanic levels) - devolepment of awareness on those levels both in your bodies - thats a "meditation", jhanic growth - to be able have substantial spring-board to the Infinite Universe, to have a magnitude as a star at the point of third attention so to speak.



To have a magnitude as a star when you leave at total third attention crossing-over merger - you need the jhanic levels development, the deep states of "inner silence"/ "meditation" - that means to turn your awareness on the Infinite energetic fields of Universal consciosness still alive - thats transcendence.



Just meditate a bit on the Infinite consciousness dear friends and you will see what will happen with your nagual development, e.g. how high you can get in your dreaming.



Total freedom crossing, "the fire from within" in not destruction of a luminious sphere of physical body, but a merging luminous shere of physical body with luminous sphere of energy body together. there is no death (marana), no corpse. One turns matter of physical body into pure energy, "changing the vibrations" using the agglutinating force. (maybe some tensegrity is usefull for that focus). Otherwise this exercise is reffered under: Tögal practice http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=T%C3%B6gal It is also documented in India/Tibet, not only Don Juan.So here you can find ref. for that.



If you die in the luminous sphere of physical body, your energy/awareness is dissolved and becomes cosmic. One faces the Universe, with its universal cosmic energetic facts (Universe is Buddha). Maybe then you can "leave" as energy body, as a ghost, if you hold on. Normal people loose cons. second time and energy body is a trasference of rebirth then. If there is a memory shade remainder its possible, but certainly there is the transference/reappearing/re-arising of being (and it is not a "rebirth" in physical "organic" world, necessarily, but also "inorganic", and thats pretty vast, and can lasts for a pretty long time).



I WARN YOU, if you leave as a ghost, its a graveyard for eternity. You can end up tied somewhere to a pole of eternity as an ass, forever.



If you die, all the mechanism reffered via buddhism applies to you as reffered above.





*(check the tibetan buddhist books on Death and rebirth energetic phenomena, highly recommended, especially Ole Nydahl s last book is completely elaborated on that energetic phenomena, otherwise Lati Rinpoche and Jefrey Hopkins book)*



I must add that at the point of third attention (i.e. past death) you encounter the Universal energetic facts, those are cosmic states of consciousness.. like the Clear light of the absolute basis of Universe consciousness, it is not just a plain infinite consciousness force of creation a plateau from which springs the total energy fields nevetherless it has total infinite consciousness. these true facts are not present in Castanedas books.



*(check the tibetan buddhist books on Death and rebirth energetic phenomena, highly recommended, especially Ole Nydahl s last book is completely elaborated on that energetic phenomena, otherwise Lati Rinpoche and Jefrey Hopkins book)*





otherwise, the seeing energy directly is a very good point to start - thats really awesome.









Very important note: with sorcery, with people doing sorcery, it is very common they die and become demons, i.e. the demon class.



I.e. their energy body does not leave intact as an original entity, but it is trasformed into demon in the death, as it has acquired its characteristics.



So it is not a ghost at hold-on, but the original entity.



THE OBVIOUS FACT is that ones energy body ("soul") is acquiring characteristics and being transformed to the edge during life as a human, as a sorcerer. Then in death it is transferred like that. This is the death defier class. It is not "freedom".



not all the "death defiers" are same, like the second Indian "Death Defier"/Tenant from Castanedas books. But this is this class. (They cant get beyond kama-loka borders to realms of Gods).



Notice: transference is the term for what happens with your energy body (soul) when you die and you are not a "death defier" class.

[CI5]

i stress this:


Very important note: with sorcery, with people doing sorcery, it is very
common they die and become demons, i.e. the demon class.



I.e. their energy body does not leave intact as an original entity, but
it is trasformed into demon in the death, as it has acquired its
characteristics.



So it is not a ghost at hold-on, but the original entity.



THE OBVIOUS FACT is that ones energy body ("soul") is acquiring
characteristics and being transformed  during life as a
human, as a sorcerer.

Then in death it is transferred like that. (transformation/rebirth/re-arising/re-appearing)
in the case of the death defier class. It is not "freedom".



not all the "death defiers" are same, like the second Indian "Death
Defier"/Tenant from Castanedas books. But this is this class. (They cant
get beyond kama-loka borders to realms of Gods).



Notice: transference is the term for what happens with your energy body
(soul) when you die and you are not a "death defier" class.

[CI5]

Notice:



Total freedom crossing, "the fire from within" in not destruction of a luminious sphere of physical body, but a merging luminous shere of physical body with luminous sphere of energy body together. there is no death (marana), no corpse. One turns matter of physical body into pure energy, "changing the vibrations" using the agglutinating force. (maybe some tensegrity is usefull for that focus). Otherwise this exercise is reffered under: Tögal practice http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=T%C3%B6gal It is also documented in India/Tibet, not only Don Juan.So here you can find ref. for that.

[CI5]

"Death is the gateway to infinity. A door made to the exact measure of each of us, which

we will all pass through someday, returning to our origin (to Cosmos). Our lack of understanding

impels us to see it as a common reducer. But no, there is nothing common about it; its magical."



- Carlos Castaneda





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It is obvious that CC was aware of the trasference (it is the transference of the "energy body"), the dependent co-arising (=reappearing), dr. Castaneda called it under term "cyclicity".

[CI5]

Simplified, if the body dies (not the fire from within), the energy body travels then, and takes a rebirth (transference/transformation), or stays as an entity of a sorcerer (only double/nagual self).



E.g. normal guy dies and his energy travels in the intermediate states (up to 50 days) and:



travels and destinations, the gateways can be e.g:



1) human womb

2) animal womb

3) gateway of a ghost

4) gateway of a demon

5) gateway of a god - i.e. one wakes up as god in heavenly realm

etc.



etc. hence the "rebirth"/re-appearing/destination - it is dependent on "world" of the gateway, as exactly there travels the energy of any ordinary guy.



one unnamed skilled sorceress told me that in the case of many adult humans, energy body is already somewhere fixed, thats the afinity. but it is common the energy body flies to see its corpse of its dead physical body.

[CI5]

I am happy to announce that we have dispelled LIES.. false views.. and ignorance, in the world of sorcery, at least here on this forum, in this thread. =) Only because dr. Castaneda has deliberately fogged and twisted TRUTH in his books and public statements etc., or they simply did not know..



I hope this clarification will liberate the beings deluded by ignorant and/or lying sorcerers (but we must thank dr. Castaneda for the comparative frame, next to Tibetan buddhist heritage, so i thank both dr. Castaneda and mr. Ole Nydahl).





It is the "energy body" what travels after the death of physical body... it is a soul. hm =) so soul travels. the energy body travels after the death of physical body, up to 49 days (Earth days). (and only in the case of dead sorcerers, the "death defiers", dead sorcerers hold on the energy body as entity, or their energy body as entity is trapped in that state, fixed, or tied...tied to the pole of eternity. this is the quagmire of second attention as Nemo has noted, the stocked dreaming positions and other exotic phenomena).



So, if you die (i.e. not dying the the fire from within, the evolution, toltec total freedom, this is 1), your energy body travels somewhere.. and there is the fork:



2) a death defier, a dead sorcerer (graveyard) - hold his/her energy body as an entity (that will last millions of years, at some limitited space. according to astrophysical computations, if Earth is not moved/what is possible technologically, this is 5 billions of years left, in this option. so this is 5 billions of years (Earth years). we can also this is the demon class, but the sorcerer has set up it on his/her own energy.



3) a normal case, the energy body travels after the death of physical body, up to 49 days (Earth days).



Here the energy body (soul) really travels



gateways here: a) human womb (that is a good chance) - 120 years (this is also the result of good karma= action in a life)



b) animal womb - many repeated lives as an animal (bad karma)



c) ghost/hungry ghost - hundreds to thousands to billions of years (bad karma)



d) demon (this is the most common for people doing sorcery, dying and becoming demons). (bad karma=action with ones life)



e) god - thousands and up to thousands of billions years (this is the result of good karma= action in a life)

[CI5]

Eagle was a joke on you..





its Universe itself.





side note:



you can get much deeper into that with atiyoga/dzogchen. it is a buddhist sorcery/knowledge. its billions of years old. practised in the 13 galaxies in this physical universe (known by science/telescopes) according to ancient scriptures.



http://sorcery.yuku.com/t...r/1/?page=3#.UAp0SFIs1w0

[quantumshaman]

You are starting to sound an awfully lot like Scout1.

[CI5]

Yes. That "Eagle", is a machine processing beings

[CI5]

What you do with your energy.. that is the energy of body, speech and mind (including intent, and intent especially), that is ones karma.. that creates ones being, and also being in the next. as all depends on this karma/generated energy thereof.



Mechanism of rebirth ?



Thats the energy body (soul) travelling somewhere and becoming as being there (e.g. entering another womb).



thats the ancient idea of "reincarnation", i.e. travelling of a soul, travelling of energy of consciousness (hence we are all tulkus of our energy/karma)





Whats the most valuable idea in the comparative religion ?



You have the texts, statements.. and next to that you have the pure Reality on itself, the Universe itself without words and interpretion with its energetic facts, fields, and primordial basis (Buddha), where the karma/energy generation is a law.

[CI5]

the most important question: in reality/nagualism





WHERE I AM GRAVITATING WITH MY ENERGY AND MY INTENT ? (my energetic/intent action=karma)





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(this is only a rhetorical question QS ,) i know that i am not in a good shape )) this is 10 years ago when i have abandoned my kudos.

[CI5]

quantumshaman wrote:If you're looking only for theoretical or theological comments, here's a thought:
The dissolution into "pure light" occurs when one achieves the totality of himself.  Most of the major "religions" actually do not prepare their followers for that kind of transition, so most religious fruitcakes probably won't make it out of their body, let alone inhabit their totality.  As far as I've been able to discern, Castaneda comes the closest to describing the actual process of transformation/transition/transcendence/transmogrification.  My own conclusion is as follows:
The mortal self is the source, who creates/projects the double.  The double is (or becomes) the energetic vessel capable of housing consciosness when the mortal body "dies" (whatever that ultimately means).  To inhabit the totality of oneself is to merge awareness with mortal self and immortal double, thereby creating the "singularity of consciousness" or the super-position of the assemblage point.
The rest is just window dressing and religious mumbo jumbo.  Yes, it is a scientific process, but most humans need to be brought to it through meta-physics rather than quantum physics.  Why?  Because they are human and humans have feelings which must be considered as part of the equation.  So we talk about falling in love with the double or the realm of the inorganics, but ultimately... it is what it is, and yes, it is science.  But presenting it AS science really doesn't seem to get one very far.  I should know. 
good points QS.
the continuation of that.. ordinary guy dies and his energy body is doing the "rebirth", the soul moves somewhere (where it was gravitating) and rises.
so the "Gravitation" of the energy/intent is the issue here.

[CI5]

[CI5]

QS: Where are you gravitating QS ? =)) (with your energy body/double)

[CI5]

Quo vadis QS ? =))

[CI5]

QS: a what is it, the ghost in a machine.. i.e. that humans are ghosts in the machines of physical body.
thats very exact QS.

[CI5]

energy (and states of consciuousness) is all that exists. what you do with your energy is your karma. then, you will be carried out with that (past encounter with death).

[scout1]

i totally distance spiritually from anything related to CC, sorcery/nagualism, Mexico and anything related to that intent.



CC and Death Defier are in one team together, playing a league. Anybody relating to CC, to that intent/complex is a total ****, a puppet, moron, nincompoop. And people doing tensegrity have a serious, serious problem.



Don Juan himself hated the old sorcerers, and was a captive by the "power" to a degree, but he was not a person as nagual anyway.



i am spiritually ABSOLUTELY disinterested into CC works, "sorcery", "power", dreaming, nagualism, into anything related with this noxious intent.



it is patently clear all this is pervaded by dark toltec intent/power. it has nothing to do with "Spirit", as this is only this intent. "Spirit" as a term is a hoax anyway. it is intent, and intent is spectral, it has a spectrum..



so not "one universal Intent" as a Spirit = thats a total bullshit (CC never claimed anyway).



i consider this spiritually EXTREMELY noxious. condolences for anybody related to CC, working with this intent. e.g. tensegrity, but also it is present in dreaming and recapitulation (if you doing it related to that).



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however, i have came here on this forums in January 2011, to do a research into this field, 20 months, posted some notes, including my note of meeting a lineage/warriors 10 years ago.



This lineage/"warriors" were real New Seers. or modern seers ? those are people not infected by toltec intent, especially not by CC. They are not "sorcerers", they are not idiots. They are not puppets of any intent or power. They are free. (certainly they are not doing "tensegrity").

[scout1]

There is always a possibility to leave, to escape all this. Not only this world, and the next - or at least go to heavenly realms. And not becoming a demon after death as a sorcerer. A purification of any being or noxious intent.

UNBINDING.


http://www.accesstoinsight.org
e.g. in principle: http://www.accesstoinsigh.../sn22/sn22.060.than.html





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In the case of nagualism, it is a good idea to mount oneself in lower heavens. Otherwise you will be tied as an ass in hell. Choose your space before you die.

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Then the Blessed One went with a large number of monks to the Black
Rock on the slope of Isigili. From afar he saw Ven. Vakkali lying dead
on a couch. Now at that time a smokiness, a darkness was moving to the
east, moved to the west, moved to the north, the south, above, below,
moved to the intermediate directions. The Blessed One said, "Monks, do
you see that smokiness, that darkness...?"

"Yes, Lord."

"That is Mara, the Evil One. He is searching for the consciousness of
Vakkali the clansman: "Where is the consciousness of Vakkali the
clansman established?" But, monks, it is through unestablished
consciousness that Vakkali the clansman has become totally unbound."

— SN 22.87


A Verb for Nirvana



http://www.accesstoinsigh...nissaro/nirvanaverb.html

[scout1]

When the mind dwells on nothing, true mind appears. » Diamond Sutra

[CI5]

and God exists.



Gospels (evangelion)/Bible, both Old and New Testament are truth. i.e. God exists. Truth on Lord Jesus (gospels). This is confirmed by Lord Buddha. God himself asks Buddha to teach. And Lord Buddha confirms the range of God, but Buddha as Tathagata is beyond. That does not mean that God is not great.





if you were opposing this with some "belief system" argument, thats due to your personal bias (education, upbringing, personal programming and lack of knowledge), not your knowledge. You have not *seen* God, as God is in Rupa-dhatu. So you cant (and you did not understood what i was stating here, you probably dont know what is Rupa-dhatu). But you can *see* "Eagle" (it is deadly to see Eagle).



I would like to shake hand with anybody capable seeing Eagle and surviving it, to congratulate.







God exists.

[CI5]

to set the record straight:



1) i have *seen* FI. it is in the eyes of people. FI is a foreign energy in the chakra in the head. This FI belongs to Hunter. Its problematic. (i.e. do not play on this)

[CI5]

take the information from the CCs books, the teks, without tensegrity - without toxic toltec intent.



and its pure human spiritual situation and human potential.



add the knowledge of buddhism to CCs informations (on AP) and you have got the whole Universe.





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the rest is human stupidity. and stupidity is the darkside.

[CI5]

Every one of us human beings has two minds. One is totally ours, and it is like a faint voice that always brings us order, directness, purpose, The other mind is a foreign installation. It brings us conflict, self-assertion, doubts, hopelessness: it's ourselves as the me-me center of the world.