The Eagles Gift

[docta lee]

Hi all I just picked up the eagles gift. I have not read this in years and i feel i am more ready to grasp it. Just wondering though if any of you know what
happened to the other party members? Lydia, Rosa, Josephina, La Gorda, Nestor, Pablito? Does anyone know out there what has become of these Warriors? Thanks

[dreamgirl]

sustainedreaction.yuku.com/forums/63/t/Castaneda-39-s-Legacy.html




This website has a lot of information about the other party. Apparently, La Gorda died of a brain aneurysm, but some say she tried to burn from within and
died as a result of having too big an ego(of course it is the witches Taisha and Florinda who claim that last part). Others say she is not dead at all, but
living in California working as a director of films, and others say she is a nurse. As for the rest of the party, they are suspected to be in Mexico,
hopefully they found another to lead them.




Let me know if you have any luck on your search!




Dreamgirl

[docta lee]

Hey Thanks dreamgirl A film director!...cool man! I love the book so-far i dont even remember really reading it but i know i did Yeah what those ladies say
like Taisha and Florinda i don't really take too serious. I feel they were a bit nuts and really not warriors but women who were lost and found comfort in
CC's cult because he gave them the illusion of power.

[dreamgirl]

Hey, you got me curious again, and I found this weird video, check it out!

Download Carlos Castaneda, The Death Of La Gorda on Savevid.com

[docta lee]

Yeah thanks that was kinda weird

[ARNWAY]

I would not take what you hear of them as face value or fact, just like Carlos' death because if he had a corpse to show they would show it on U-Tube or
anywhere to illustrate by proving him wrong to disclaim his premise, don't you find it odd that only a few people claimed to see his body when dead by
taking there word for it and not a full fledge funeral that would have been on T.V.




Does anybody find this a little odd?

[Mornings Son]

yeah it is odd. I would like to believe that he moved on some other way and his death was just a PR stunt to get free of the 'Carlos Castaneda' tonal
reality.

[dreamgirl]

Morning Son, I agree with your last post, I had thought the same about the witches and about La Gorda. Especially about La Gorda.

[docta lee]

He was cremated i think




In the BBC doc tales from the jungle: they show this couple that use to follow CC and they stalked him and took video of him and went through his garbage.


My point is they found prescription drugs labels for CC and because of this discovery they seem to think it discredits him as a Shaman?


why would they think that?




like whats wrong with taking a prescription? Were they so stupid to actually believe he was a super being who would not need drugs for his health.




If he said to eat dog poop they most surely would have done that that too. LOL!




I love the works of CC, but if he told me to leave my fam and friends i would tell him to *** off cuz anyone who tells u something like that is a insecure sad
lonely freak!




Let us put it this way: the works of CC are just that, they are works of art, they are not step by step how to books.


So i would not wanna be close to CC....Don Juan yes but not Carlos, at least not in his weirdo cult.


I think his life was very diff than what he wrote about.


I just get get a creepy feeling when people make Gods out of people...it is really dangerous to put that kind of trust into a person.




Example: The sun is real, it makes no diff if someone tells you it is not because you know it is. People that can be convinced that it is not real is because
they want to be controlled and cannot be alone in this world.




Believe me i do feel the Nagual. I just don't need to be part of a cult to know that....Duh!


thanks

[seeitall]

I love the works of CC, but if he told me to leave my fam and friends i would tell him to *** off cuz anyone who tells u something like that is a insecure
sad lonely freak!




Let us put it this way: the works of CC are just that, they are works of art, they are not step by step how to books.


So i would not wanna be close to CC....Don Juan yes but not Carlos, at least not in his weirdo cult.






Nobody likes the things that have to be done to become free. There is a price that


has to be paid. You read a book and think it would be cool to be around don Juan.


In reality you would probably run for your life to get away from him.

[docta lee]

Maybe, maybe not seeitall

[docta lee]

seeitall look at it this way: When Carlos told his followers to " *** your parents and send them to hell" I am quite sure this did not come from the
the mouth of Don Juan Matus He did not put it that way Don Juan meant that you do not need your fam and friends to be a warrior. But to hurt them is in no way
the act of a warrior. People get so caught up in the syntax of CC's books. It's like if a person wants to loose weight, they should cut down on eating
not become a crazy anorexic! Carlos went nuts with power and he became insecure and twisted. Why cant people accept this?

[seeitall]

I look at it this way: you can't have one's cake and eat it too.


You do not like the idea of leaving family or friends , so the easiest


thing you can do is call cc "lonely freak" - problem solved - now you can


live happily ever after

[spareenergy]

I bought the book Leyla and Mejnun .http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/top ... and-Mejnun


I think it might explain why don Juan says so.

[spareenergy]

"You don't use and squeeze people until they have shriveled to nothing, especially the people you love.


To be unavailable means that you deliberately avoid exhausting yourself and others. It means that you are not hungry and desperate."


don Juan






"To the garden of my love there came an evil louder


The shrubs now lie there, my fair one, shrubs lie


While gathering the roses, he broke their stems to moulder


They are all dry, my fair one they are all dry.


..........."




by Pir Sultan Abdal


Translated by Dubravka Srećković Divković

[dreamgirl]

So Seeitall and spareenergy, when you so gladly take abuse in the name of waking up, are you following a path with heart? If so, better you than me.




Docta Lee: Amen Brotha!

[seeitall]

I feel like I'm on the road to hell, not sure about the path of heart

[spareenergy]

dreamgirl don't get me wrong. at first we don't know how to love and we don't know what actually is the one we think we love.




"A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as
something separated from the rest... a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal
desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace
all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."


einstein

[ARNWAY]

I don't know if my perspective will help with this dilemma that people have when being on the path as a warrior of being cold or detached with family
members and this does not have to be so if your family members know of your quest as a warrior as in my case because I personally have family members know of
what my intent is as they can read it like you are right now on this site or by me talking about it with them and I realize that most people do not have this
privilege to openly talk about it.




I will state "this" of something that I can attest to on my quest is that you have to be ruthless with strong intent to penetrate the veil of
deception of predatory forces to see the world as it is by either dreaming or the the arrival of the second attention when awake, is does not matter if it is
family or mankind you must disengage their attention anchor elements that try and fixate your attention whether its family or not but I have found that family
will try and change your perspective of your world to be like there's so you can be considered "normal" like Ma and Pa. once a warrior has there
guards up the feeling of being detached from them may not be required.




My contention that I wanted to point out is that you must be detached from the grips of your fellow man and predatory forces in dreaming that try and fixate
your attention so you can see clearly, this is why I wanted to call all of our endeavors"THE WARRIORS OF ATTENTION"because this is actually whats
happening to all of us.

[gracklesnblackbirds]

I didn't know Carlos but i'm sure glad he wrote some books and brought the teachings of Don Juan, yeah, he had faults and cracks(and he knew it), so do
we all. I haven't got this family thing figured out yet and as far as friends, i am fortunate enough to have some very cool friends who are on paths of
their own, enjoy diversity and are wise n humble enough to be forgiving of my foibles--I wouldn't be as firmly on the path if it weren't for them. I
don't think, somehow, i would be so firmly on the path without my family either even though they don't understand me and sometimes cramp my style. One
family member in paticular doesn't approve of me and yeah I would like to have more detachment there but i don't think it means leave your family, one
can be a million miles away and still be in the family millueux or however you spell that. Detachment is something besides turning your back.

[dreamgirl]

Sparenergy: thanks for the Einstein quote, I love it! I guess the point that I was trying to make is that when one accepts warriorship, I guess you need to be
on guard for any attempts of someones (in a leadership position)ego gone wacky. That's all I really mean. I believe that in one thread here at SW, someone
posted that they have been reapeatedly raped, all in the name of submitting to a Nagual. I still don't think I am being that clear here, and this
frustrates me, but maybe you get my drift?




Arnway, you are very lucky indeed to have a family like that. I don't think anyone in my family(mother, bros/sisters)have any inkling to my persuit of this
path. In a way, I have grown enough to stalk them when I am around them. It is very subtle, and I don't even know that I am doing it, but what it consists
of is not reverting to past behaviors/arguments ect. Sometimes, especially around the holidays, I fail miserably. I would explain more but it feels like I am
indulging enough as it is. But I do like gracklesnblackbirds point of detachment, it is the proof that some of your warriorship efforts are working. So, IMHO,
if you can be around your family and not have a meltdown, fit, or get angry and leave, well then by jove (SP), I think you have got it!

[docta lee]

Well for me my Family is pretty good. Sure there were moments when i thought they were really mean and selfish more so my dad.




I have let go of all that anger and resentment because it only hurts me.




I will say though in some cases some should send their parents to hell if they are abusive maniacs.




I have heard some bizarre horrible **** that parents have done to their kids and i just don't get it. ACTUALLY WE SHOULDN'T GET IT! IF ONE GETS IT THEN
THAT PERSON IS DANGEROUS.




You know sometimes when i see kids i get tears in my eyes and i don't know why?.


Maybe it is the innocence they have, maybe it is that kids in general think they have to succumb to the mold of man, maybe i cry for all the kids in the world
that have been hurt by adults. I have once heard this to be called:...... SHAMANS TEARS.

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