Stopping the internal dialogue.

[serloco]

Well now let me see... Stopping the world is a powerful act of being fluid. Every item of the tonal has the potential to shift into something else and somethign new. The act of suspending what we know, what we believe, create free space and unlocks those items. So how does that serve me? It gives me freedom and hope that the negative things in my life need not be sustained in my awareness.

The sky is blue and yet the sky is often fluid for me. I invite God into my sky, and i invite art into my sky. I invite beauty into my sky and I also have invited different colors into my sky. So for me and for my world that I share with my people, the sky can be golden, and green, pink and purple. It just depends on what I believe and what I seek.

[Turin Otzaki]

Think so, I've used the way reflections of sun on water dancing about halt my attention into The present. Not for a looooong time though, 5 or 10 mins. I like to use visuals in nature to stop my mind into the present. I really don't think DjM meant us to directly try and bully the mind into stopping thinking, in my experience connecting with the expansive awarenesss in which thought s occurs is as good as stopping them, happens though non fixation on them. I'm quite +%*+ at this though, I get caught up every hour of every day. But it's my life's work to remember.

[serloco]

Hello Turin. Many think fluidity is the most important thing, and in the beginning this true, to free us from the past. However in your case I recommend intending and pondering cohesion. The ability to ground what you have discovered. Recollection is a good skill to develop.

[glance left]

Hey Turin I like your notion of letting thoughts pass through without inviting them to stay. Akin to the Buddhist metaphor of watching clouds pass through the clear blue sky.....watching thoughts come and go without clinging.

That which watches is, truly, the perennially silent thing. It's the sun behind the clouds.

[rosygyro]

Stop the internal dialogue to stop the world
Stop the world to see the foreign installation is the "other" part of you.
Stop the internal dialogue and read a linear sequence of numbers
and in recapitulation that time will have a "streak of silent black" from start to finish
(or finish to start )
If inner silence exists it must be a "Core" of our tonal as we move..

even if we only acheive inner silence for 4 minutes every 13th day and 7 minutes every other tuesday
those moments must still be aligned in time by something so silent we cannot perceieve it 
save for the din of thinking it is there.

Stop the world as if standing still in a river? so as to move counter to its current.
or stop the world and stop the river? for all intent still drowning.

puts the wax lyrical stick down '

[Guest]

rosygyro wrote:
even if we only acheive inner silence for 4 minutes every 13th day and 7 minutes every other tuesday
those moments must still be aligned in time by something so silent we cannot perceieve it 
save for the din of thinking it is there.

puts the wax lyrical stick down '

I like this. Yes, growth in objective engagement is built over time. Fat people must exert effort to achieve then maintain a satisfactory level of fitness. Objectivity to achieve internal calm works the same way. Order to achieve external calm too. In the beginning it's developing the habit. Then it's onward to mastery of the skill.

For people who haven't spent much time on mastering internal dialogue, as energy was dedicated on other skills, it can be rather challenging to overcome if overwhelmed with internal dialogue.

Being overwhelmed looks like biting inner comments which we can't shake. The way to calm those is to change the AP to a loving and wise alignment. When you understand people, you understand why they're sometimes cruel. Accepting the limitations of others helps grow a space for forgiveness, which then diffuses the internal dialogue.

For me, I process somewhat fast. I still react, but my recovery time is faster, but only when I have time to recover. Without rest, I continue to react. Many are like this so it's important to be aware of when we need time to recover and for those around us to encourage time to heal ourselves.

Take the time to invest in yourself, build your interests, grow yourself, nourish your spirit, be near people who see your beauty. Then once inner strength has returned, engage the internal dialogue again. The internal dialogue is similar to lifting weights. The mind is a muscle, it gets stronger by being challenged. The key is to not let ego convince the mind to lift as heavy as the person near you. Lifting weight which is outside ones range is how muscles are pulled and people are benched until they recover. The key is to lift what's appropriate for you, and to utilize rest days, as the not doings are just as important as the doings.

[serloco]

I think that forming a mnd with an internal dialogue is rather simplistic and unaware. You see thoughts are not formed in words, they forms in a primal way, raw realizations of awareness raw ideas, pure consciousness. This raw and primal form then gets translated, through years of language conditioning. I often have enjoyed just having streams of consciousness, ideas, with no words in my head. Just ideas and raw knowledge.

[glance left]

"You see thoughts are not formed in words, they forms in a primal way, raw realizations of awareness raw ideas, pure consciousness."

Sounds like silent knowledge to me

"This raw and primal form then gets translated, through years of language conditioning."

Yeah, this is where those pure, unadulterated insights that come from the heart of infinity get hijacked and hammered down/solidified/crusted by the compulsion of the dialog to talk to itself about "what's what". It's always after the fact.....and then self importance is the accomplice which lays claim to the "knowledge", which is really just a string of words/categorizations attached to the insight.

Nothing wrong with words, but inwardly that process needs to take a back seat from where I'm standing.

[Pixie Dust]

What a melting pot of perspective, I love this thread! I often prefer the backseat. One, when I'm allowed to drive I take the entire carriage and its passengers to distant places. Two, I like being driven, it's less effort. Three, I like to look out the window as I'm taken to new places. If I drive I only see what I know. I want to see what I don't know. Adventures are thrilling!

[serloco]

Limiting the world to what you know can be a very powerful feat. I used the control of choosing what know to fill the barren space of reality for many years. I was in fact trapped in what I knew. However suspending what you know to allow something new to grow is very very rewarding. Sometimes letting go of the reigns is what is needed to expand our awareness. One half control and the other half allowing the unknown.

[trinsic]

Mornings Son wrote:
Non attachment to what pops up in da head is a good one. I use this too )))
Turin have you tried to use gazing to quite the internal dialogue?
Sitting still for looooong time also is a good one.

What if you body forces you to move?

[trinsic]

serloco wrote:
Well now let me see... Stopping the world is a powerful act of being fluid. Every item of the tonal has the potential to shift into something else and somethign new. The act of suspending what we know, what we believe, create free space and unlocks those items. So how does that serve me? It gives me freedom and hope that the negative things in my life need not be sustained in my awareness.

The sky is blue and yet the sky is often fluid for me. I invite God into my sky, and i invite art into my sky. I invite beauty into my sky and I also have invited different colors into my sky. So for me and for my world that I share with my people, the sky can be golden, and green, pink and purple. It just depends on what I believe and what I seek.

Does that include jumping off a cliff believing you can fly only to strike the bottom of the chasm with your body?

[Pixie Dust]

trinsic wrote:
serloco wrote:
Well now let me see... Stopping the world is a powerful act of being fluid. Every item of the tonal has the potential to shift into something else and somethign new. The act of suspending what we know, what we believe, create free space and unlocks those items. So how does that serve me? It gives me freedom and hope that the negative things in my life need not be sustained in my awareness.

The sky is blue and yet the sky is often fluid for me. I invite God into my sky, and i invite art into my sky. I invite beauty into my sky and I also have invited different colors into my sky. So for me and for my world that I share with my people, the sky can be golden, and green, pink and purple. It just depends on what I believe and what I seek.

Does that include jumping off a cliff believing you can fly only to strike the bottom of the chasm with your body?

God sometimes asks his followers to prove their faith. It's how he rolls.

[trinsic]

Pixie Dust wrote:
trinsic wrote:

Does that include jumping off a cliff believing you can fly only to strike the bottom of the chasm with your body?

God sometimes asks his followers to prove their faith.  It's how he rolls.

Lol.

[funnyguy]

There's a simple practice to learn how to control your attention and as Derek said already you needn't stop the internal dialogue in order to take away the power from it.

What I've done is shift my attention to my breath inhaling/exhaling when I see thoughts arise and move my attention to them I just move it back and look at the breath again and I repeat. With time it becomes quite easy to control your attention and even if you have thoughts you're not immersed in them and they don't control how you function your feelings, decisions or anything else about you they just hover around in there if you let them.

It's just like with everything else things in the world are happening if we're not paying attention to them, however, it's like they're not there.
If there's an elephant behind you but you're not aware of it will it make any difference?

That analogy is not perfect for the example because you can be perfectly aware and still have it make no difference and that's what I explained above. It can be there you can know it's there but it won't move you unless you decide to move.

[watergaze]

"With time it becomes quite easy not control"
it becomes quite easy to control*

I'd love to have edit privileges for my own posts everywhere...

[funnyguy]

"We hold the images of the world with our attention. Let your attention go from the images of the world. If you don't focus your attention on the world, the world collapses. Instead of fighting to focus, let go of the images by gazing fixedly at distant hills, or by gazing at water, like a river, or by gazing at the clouds."

Attention is the secret which can hold us prisoners or break us free. Gazing, walking with your eyes crossed looking at the horizon, and most of all the practices DJ taught CC were all taught in order to distract the fixation of our attention from what encumbers us so we can have that moment of clarity and space to choose for ourselves instead of letting what we're fixed on lead our perception, choices, feelings etc..