Small discovery of the dreamhackers

[hdoll]

We revealed interesting coincidence. It concerns the assemblage point. I will attempt to explain the emergent theory, although previously I please to excuse
me for my poor possession of English.




It is assumed that the assemblage point is located on the axis, going through the liver (region of the third attention) and the right blade. I will name this
axis as the axis of Saturn, from your permission. To many people is known another axis with the centres of energy (chakres), which penetrates coccyx and top
of head. I will name it as the axis of the Sun. Between these two axes there is a certain angle, which we will name "angle x".




In our solar system there is a strange anomaly. Some planets - Mercury, Venus, Jupiter, Neptune - have a rotational axis, which corresponds to solar
rotational axis. Another complete set of planets - the Earth, Mars - they have a rotational axis, which corresponds to the rotational axis of Saturn. And is
Uranus, whose axis almost to 90 degrees differs from the axis of the Sun.




The rotational axes of two sets of planets (group of planets with the axis of the Sun and the group of planets with the axis of Saturn) have between
themselves an angle, which is equal to our angle x.




There is a theory Of Velikovski which says that Saturn is brown dwarf; that this celestial body arrived from the depths of space flying together with the
group of other planets (they were located in the special plasma bag); that the sun caught Saturn into its system; that we, inhabitants of the Earth, have
ancestral axis with the energy centers (axis of Saturn) and acquired axis with the energy centers (axis of the sun). For the passage from the axis to the
axis we need the procedure which the Don Juan named "a change of look".

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Good to see you here HDOLL..you remind me of a member named Creepy Pippy. That is a good thing as she was a very special person.

[hdoll]

I spent two years in order to create a method for the procedure of " the change of look". It is very difficult to transfer attention from one axis
to another. But this is possible.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Using the axis is used to reach the third attention if I am understanding you correctly. Almost like looking over yourself.

[hdoll]

In my view those things which we call "the positions of the assemblage point" are imprinted into the human cocoon with the special circumstances. For
example, when planets created different configurations with the entry of Saturn into the solar system. There was the period of the so-called penumbra, when the
Earth was located under Saturn and when major planet for 9 months shut the Earth from the Sun. During this period were formed the positions of vampirism,
hibernation and some comatose states. Castaneda called one of these positions as " black world". On this period in the history of the Earth are
references into Popol Vuh.




Seven best dreamers left for help for seven hives of inorganic essences. Unorganics listened only to words of one of them - most mad dreamer. They concluded
union with the people. For their powerful clans it was possible to move the Earth from that position where it was located in the shadow under Saturn. The
period of penumbra was the gold epoch of vampires - physical and energic ones. When the assemblage point of people falls into the positions which were remained
after this configuration of planets, we begin to meet vampires. I speak this according to the personal experience. The Tenant from the Castaneda's books
were precisely such vampire.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

That explains it.


I have always known tenant's to be vampires in a sense and how they fed and what they gave in return. There are many yes?

[hdoll]

The vampirism is the extended method of co-existence among the unorganic essences. Some of them steal attention, but not these attention as we understand it.
They steal so-called " tuning of attention" which can be presented as the analog of the chords, which cause a setting in the work of consciousness.
There is another form of vampirism, when essences steal the luminosity of people. This type of vampires includes the flyers. And the same tenant is.




Sometimes in the dreams we see people which against the background of other dream characters appear very bright. They as if fired wirhin. In these cases we
meet in the dreams with people which awareness themselves in the sleep - with the people which experienced lucid dream. The luminosity of consciousness makes
them as if illuminated or accentuated. The dreamhackers developed whole methodology on search and restoration of luminosity. In the dream world have such
places where the people can supplement their luminosity. These places are well protected by guards and monsters. But if a dreamer scolds itself into this
place, he (she) obtains the charge of luminosity. After this, in the daily peace he (she) feels the enormous inflow of forces and success.




People with increased luminosity draw flyers and other vampires. If man cannot be ordered correctly by the obtained charge of luminosity, this luminosity eats
up by vampires, and man survives the period of depression and loss of forces. Some dreamers even named this "rolling out" - a punishment for the
courage and the previous success. The dreamhackers found almost all places where it is possible to obtain the charges of luminosity. If man attends all these
places in brief time, he quickly accomulates the large number of luminosity and occurs on the cross-roads of two possibilities. 1. He attracts the attention of
very powerful inorganic essences (promising allies, tenant or scout). 2. He finds chance to the larger control for " tuning of attention and makes it
other - "not tasty" for flyers. He becomes as if the acidy food for them.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Makes sense in the sorcery explanation of inorganics and lucidity. Calling attention is one way to drawpower and is best done in dreaming but as you say there
are choices.

[hdoll]

Friends! I plan to conduct training in the English. This training will be dedicated to the passage of the 2nd gates of dreaming. If someone of you wants to
participate in it, I will give url by authorization of Nagual LoneWolf. Training will pass to on-line on one of the known English forums. No money, no
requirements. Only your desire and the intention to take the knowledge which I will give to you.

[Mornings Son]

Thank you for making this offer to people here and your engagement.


I wish that more people in the world would be so generous.

[bluedreamer]

Cool! I found this thread last week and hoped you would show up again soon and here you are with a post. Thanks for the generous offer. I could definitely
benefit from your training. I wish more people would be this generous too.

[hdoll]

I do not know, is it possible on this forum to give references to other forums. Sometimes this is forbidden. Thus far LoneWolf will not give agreement, you
can write personal communication to me, and I will give URL to you.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

HDOLL..you have my permission. I have always supported the Dreamhackers here in these forums. Good to see you here!

[hdoll]

Thanks LoneWolf.

[hdoll]

LoneWolf, on forum http://www.ld4all.com/ they forbade to carry out my training.

[bluedreamer]

I removed this post because I jumped to some conclusion--bogus on my part.

[nleo]

hdoll, Hello! ) Are you still going to conduct practicum? If you are, where it will be carried out? ))

[Archer1000]

Hi, I heard about the training on LD4all and I am definatly interested. Im lucky to have gotten the link before the posts got deleted. I dont think many other
people from Ld4all got a chance to see it.

[Mornings Son]

Hey Hdoll, nleo and Archer1000 (Welcome to Shamanic Warriors guys)




What was the argument for not havingthe training at LD4all?

[hdoll]

"Many posts removed under the guidelines of spam.




If you wonder what happened to a proposed training of the dreamhackers - this is why it has been removed. Showing extreme disrespect to the admin, and spamming
the training to take place somewhere else - it has been decided to remove the whole conversation from the point that this person entered the thread. She also
is not here on LD4all anymore, neither will the training take place here. ~Q~


"




The two day before I asked moderator Yasim to create for me the usergroup, where I could conduct my training. Obviously, he discussed this with its associates.
The day before another moderator arrived into the theme "dreamhackers" and left communication for me. He wrote that we, Russians, must carry out
their trainings on the Russian forums and not


disfigure English by our dull communications. He also said that never allow me to conduct training on this forum. I answered him, writing that he disrupts the
rules of forum - a point about the usergroups. I also wrote that the discrimination of people according to the national sign never brought no one of great
happiness. Then I wrote to people, which desired to participate in the training, that I will select another place and as one of the possibilities, was
indicated forum LoneWolf.




I think that I know the thoughts of this moderator. You understand that in Russia I am living legend. When people learned that I want to conduct a training on
the English forum, thousands of desiring youths and girls began to request the account on the forum. Probably, a moderators frightened possible DOS-attack.
What suddenly all these Russians, after obtaining the accounts, would simultaneously distribute on the forum its communications? The forum hang out! It would
be possible to destroy. This is how thought moderators, surely.




To me it is offensive only that this youth pervert proved to be such cowardly and did not indicate the true reasons for my expulsion. But this reasons are
simple: I and the majorities of people, which desired training, are not Englishmen. You do know that now they do speak in Russia about this forum? Very bad
words.




It's a chat's log from the LD4all forum (made by my friend):




I am a Russian bear. I came to teach you.


Grizzly, black or brown?


RusBear, i warn you, if it is that dreahackers spam, you will


also be banned


Brown


hi bear I'm here to learn from you


is live fair?


it applies to you too vtos


the dreamhackers school isn't welcome here anymore


...how come


you will be better off in your own place, where you can speak


your own language


I'm not a spammer


ravenna and tomlin are


They were here?


dreamhackers?


long story


Russian group of lucid dreamers.


its funny how i remember things in dreams that i forgott in live


and somethimes forgett in dreams what is clear to me in live...


Mean? Who is Ravenna?


* Zyphern is back from picking up his sister


*** jepeltw has quit (Quit: Leaving)


A representant of the Dreamhackers group


and who is tomlin


*** Normalno has joined #ld4all


*** Siiw sets mode +b on *!*@159.148.103.*


Hi All, HAO from Russia


*** LDT has quit (Quit: ~*~*~ bye! ~*~*~)


Normalno, the dreamhackers school has moved. You won't find it


here.


*** thegeek has joined #ld4all


hi, thegeek


*** solarus has joined #ld4all


Im not a dreamhackers.


Where are moved to a school?


RusBear, solarus, Normalno etc: apparently somebody has been


spamming this address on a russian forum. This is NOT a channel for


Ravenna and Tomlin's "school"


??-???????? ???-?????? spamming ???? ????? ?? ???????


??????. ??? ??? ?????? ??? Ravenna ? Tomlin' " s; school"


Translated with babelfish


I don't think they speak very good English.


Well, I'm going to bed


they use auromatic translators


automatic


hmm, the word "bed" looks like a bed.


Goodnight


We are not a school? we are Russian Dream Mafia, Maby you


Know us ?


*** antiego has quit (Quit: see ya)


lol im on their website now unfortuantly i dont speak russian


and the output is impossible to understand


*** Siiw sets mode +b on *!*@Chat4all-8EC39FC1.adsl.wplus.ru


*** Normalno has been kicked by Siiw (no russian mafia here)


*** Siiw sets mode +b on *!*@Chat4all-CF5037D5.pppoe.mtu-net.ru


*** solarus has been kicked by Siiw (Siiw)


*** Siiw sets mode +b on *!*@Chat4all-B1351DEB.vologda.ru


Cant you kickban?


i do


You forgot the kick. Sorry to be nosy or something.


*** RusBear has been kicked by Siiw (Siiw)


oops


thanks


hmm just read upwards, kind of humorous, the russian dream


mafia? they must be joking


*** Jasper has joined #ld4all


just let's hope this mafia doesn't get angry and start


botnet spamming


snap


the website looks very weird...kinda like a sect


Wonder if they were the culprits of last botnet attack


it is, mars


they talk about a world war etc


Does it even have to be a botnet? maybe they are large


enough of a group do just ddos


I have only been fighting one such attack, maybe a year


ago, where various expletives and "Penis" flowed free on the chat


Are there logs of that? xD


probably


There were literally hoardes of users joining from


different IP's from different countries, almost impossible to stop


altogether


brr


i think it ended with that we set the chat to +m mode for


a few days

[Mornings Son]

Thank you for the explanation.




Its good that you wanna do the teaching in english, but have you concidered to make a teaching group in russian too?


There seem to be a huge demand.




it sems that fear is what rules ld4all, sad...




***




Urgency raises in me, we must find our way to power of dreaming.

[Ladon]

Was hard finding this forum I wasn't online at the moment of the 'ban' so I searched for Ravenna in google, stumbled across a certain
'hdoll' and looked what new posts there were and voila... here it is


I'm Ladon on ld4all btw I think things escalated a bit because of the language barrier. Apparantly you can't make user groups yourself, I've
been around ld4all for quite a while and even I didn't know you couldn't do it and that only moderators could do so o.O And Apparantly, the admin got
upset about that because you spread 'lies' of being able to create a usergroup and blablabla... Plus, in their forum rules it says that you can't
promote training stuff in other threads than your own, even though the thread you posted it in was one of 'dreamhackers'. The rules said you
should've done it in 'the lucid lab', to conduct training or experiments there. Because of this, the postings that were made were under their
'spam' rules.


So imo... it's a bit misunderstanding and unintentionally breaking rules... and they got upset and you know what happened then.




So... This is where you'll be conducting the training now? Looking forward to it.


Anything I have to do to sign up? PM someone, open another URL... etc

[hdoll]

Dear Ladon

Matter is not in the lingual barrier. I write in the English not so badly in order not to understand the sense of my words. Matter is in the
ambitions of people.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

HDOLL...I can create a subforum here if you would like for further interactions, you can even use russian language if that is what you would like. This forum
has always supported you and the dreamhackers of Russia. Let me know if that would help.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

or use the Four WInds forum if that will work..