Love (& Light) Brigade

[Grand Speculator]

If this is the Love & Light brigade, I WANT IN!

[Eilias123]

I want in, and out, and in again

[another spirit]

can we have a dedicated porno section?

if so i want elias as moderator that was plain filthy

[Eilias123]

HAHAHA

[Wei Shan Yang]

“There are only four ques­tions of value in life, Don Octavio. What is sacred? Of what is the spirit made? What is worth living for, and what is worth dying for? The answer to each is the same: only love.”





quote from the other Don Juan

[Guest]

@ Wei: I agree with you hands down on this one. Thank you for bringing awareness to love.

[Wei Shan Yang]

You bet. Thanks, Kaomea.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

What is worth dying for? A good question....any more want to add their answer?

[Wei Shan Yang]

Actually I would like to answer that since the quote is not from me..though I liked the gist of it.



What is worth dying for? I have found there is nothing worth dying for except our truth. If forced to live a lie, or to live by someone else's view of the world rather than follow my own, I would rather die because my life would be over. That's not to say I don't listen to others or care what they think, in truth others help shape my view, and I gladly welcome it, but its done so with the total awareness it's my choice and path.



When we abandon ourselves, our dreams, we feel it in our solar plexus region...it becomes weak and shallow, like its empty. The shell of who we could be. So, I would see dying as a fitting alternative to enduring a lifeless life. In such, death actually represents love for life. Only life.

[Guest]

Wei: In such, death actually represents love for life. Only life.





That's enlightening Wei. I didn't consider it from that vantage point. Thanks for that... as for what's worth dying for, I have no idea. I would die for love but that's me. I'd do anything to protect someone I love. Foolish? Sure. I know the consequences... but I think if I were to die, why not have it be for something I believe in. I only believe in love.

[Wei Shan Yang]

Yeah..and actually its the same! we love our truth, our truth is our love.



I think the word love suffers some social stigmas (cheesy plastic cupids on synthetic silk heart boxes containing saturated fat and sugar confections at the 99 cent store)...but ultimately we all know so utterly well the abstraction "love" has always been with us our whole lives, its other name is power. Oh my oh my another social stigma in that word. So to say love is power...perhaps conveys best. And power is found in truth. This is freedom from all that deceives. So, our goal is ultimate freedom, eh? To see beyond all deceptions. Hmmmm, don't know if its possible, or if so may take an eternity, but still is worth it to try and never stop.

[Guest]

Wei: So to say love is power...perhaps conveys best. And power is found in truth. This is freedom from all that deceives. So, our goal is ultimate freedom, eh? To see beyond all deceptions. Hmmmm, don't know if its possible, or if so may take an eternity, but still is worth it to try and never stop.



@Wei: Honesty (or truth) leads to love which leads to power and thus freedom. Nice connecting the dots! So eloquently put. Question then, do you think someone can love if they are not being honest? Or would they be capable of love but still won't be freed by it?

[Guest]

Question. Does anyone know how to leave the third attention? I mean, what has to be done to move onto the fourth? Just the desire to do so, is that enough? Thanks!

[Wei Shan Yang]

"Question then, do you think someone can love if they are not being honest? Or would they be capable of love but still won't be freed by it?"



Kao, depends what you mean by love, its a many fangled word. Also, so many shades of grey in such a question. We can have moments of pure honesty only to lapse into denial and then back to honesty, etc.



What frees us is us, wouldn't you agree? When we are free, we love abstractly. Is honesty a form of freedom?

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Ah love I think can free you or enslave you....based on the woman (smile). The fourth attention involves using the third attention while out of the body.

[Wei Shan Yang]

Enslavement or freedom is up to the individual, I say. No one can make us do anything we don't allow ourselves. I would not attribute the woman to the outcome ; ) Unless you are saying...only a woman can lead a man to freedom...or not? In which case you are saying women are more powerful and men get the luck of the draw.

[Wei Shan Yang]

And I do believe I misread your post as I was in learnin tyme mode...ok, get it now.

[Wei Shan Yang]

Then again...maybe I did read you right the first time. You said in the Zen sub-forum way before...



"A wife is the ultimate tyrant and maker of men."



So Wolf, do you see woman as the maker or breaker of freedom?

[Wei Shan Yang]

That kind of thinking will get you far my friend, lol. Puts the tyrant at rest for sure.

[Wei Shan Yang]

Friends we are...friends in the world's alignment we surely
are...friends in the truth of awareness we stand as warriors..Tiff and
Wolf, wolf and Tiff. I smile as I know you are like me and I am like
you.

[Wei Shan Yang]

Saw a Truman Capote movie with the character Lone Wolf...one tough dude that guy. He would accept no one and wanted no one in return. Doesn't mean there's no love...just wild perhaps. Which brings up a good point...is social love good for us? The kind that says "You can own me, if I can own you?" A sort of "let's make a deal" approach.
A paradox being that the great compromisers of life don't actually compromise anything, they merely stand alone, beside others who are able to do the same. In contrast, those who try to make deals expect adherence and behavior modification, a false compromise, as nothing is gained from it except the mundane world of controlling others we all already know about.
I know about this meaning of compromise based on what a lady who could see far into the future told me about two men I would come to know and with who I would eventually end up with...a choice to be made, by me. The end of the beginning.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Often love is that way...an exchange of words even if the heart is not sure. Only time will attest whether love is true or not I say. For the record: I was raised by a ahead of her time feminist woman and taught to treat women as equals and to show respect and be courteous.

[Wei Shan Yang]

"I know about this meaning of compromise based on what a lady who could see far into the future told me about two men I would come to know and with who I would eventually end up with...a choice to be made, by me. The end of the beginning."





Hi all, someone brought to my attention it looked like I was referring to romantic relationships above here...so to clear up, I was referring to friendships, more specifically men who would help me along the path...and which one I would eventually find agreement with. The psychic also predicted the arrival of my husband, during the same reading

[Wei Shan Yang]

Showing respect to women is really valuable. When men fight with women, they just bring out the worst in them. Women often feel from men that there is a dominance, a looking down on women, seeing them as lesser...so its no surprise the first few posts in this thread put a lot of women in the position of wanting to speak about it. We want men to know we are not lesser, and don't like being treated in a way that is not respectful. I don't know why men do this (talk down to women, be rude about their bodies and such), perhaps some men can shed some light on this?

[Wei Shan Yang]

And maybe no man wants to come forward to answer such a loaded question. Well, just know I am honestly curious of if, from a man's perspective, this is not viewed as a negative about him, but rather a negative about women. Looking from the other side, I can make my own conclusions, but hearing from you men will bring to my awareness a different perspective, which I may not agree with, but it would perhaps be different than what I could reckon. Maybe you think women like to be sex figures, object of desire, for men... and honestly there is some truth to that. Our sexual power can make us feel important, wanted, needed, in control. I think this sort of view is running rampant in our current age.