The role of the stalked?

[Julio Juliopolis]

Recently a couple of generous members of this site have enthusiastically volunteered to help me by stalking me on a few things that tend to trouble me soon. To prepare for the events, I thought I'd look around in here to help me understand what I should be doing during them. While there's obviously a lot of information here about stalking, the stuff I've found tends to be written purely from the perspective of the would be stalker. As I think that the stalked has just as important of a role to play in the process, if not a more important one, I'm hoping to use this thread to generate ideas and suggestions about how best to be stalked. What techniques to use, what to avoid, and anything else of that nature. Also, any examples of a stalk in which you feel you benefitted greatly by or thought someone else handled well as a stalkee would be appreciated.

[NagualHuman]

Have you ever played Counter-Strike ?
Its a Game
a very popular one, its a First Person Action Shooter Comparouter Game, its played through internalnet, worldwide.

When you get into the game, there is a Server List, on it there are Servers maintained by different people worldwide, yet they all are connected to the internet.
You see a server list, there are names of the servers like Bobs Slaughterhouse , Jeremy UltraspeedFastNet CS Server, Bobs Chillout Playout,
Shootout Heaven, Angus's Main CS Server some Servers are locked - they are accesible only for people who have the password to it,
if you wanna play on a Server that is Locked, you have to go to a site of that server, of that specific group, simply find the Info about the Server so that you may connect to it, in some cases - at the most popular servers, they are locked because the Admins know that a lot of people plays there, so they wanna make profit from that prosperous - so you must go to its website and scroll through many advertisement etc. to actually get to the password to that server on which alot of people plays.
Anyway, if you are hacker, you just hack it and dont need to look for the password, its really easy to get to the password in matter of few seconds...if you know how to hack.

Then when you join a server, after loading and connecting to that server, you see a map.
A map on which is now the people on server playing, the map changes every twenty,
more or less minutes(depends on the configuration made by Admins).
There is really alot of maps, and everyday the are created new and new, more synchronized with the needs of players.
There are several websites on which you can download maps.
There is really alot of maps, they are like architecture a play-ground where the players are playing - killing each other for the goal of the map.
There are maps in really alot of location, the people the architects who create maps are really creative,
they make everyday new maps in new amazing locations seen in their lives, in films,
in dreams and mostly just in their imagination of what would be really a good map such as Aztec Ruins, Cosmopolitan Towns, Venice, Skyscrapers, Deserts, Star of Deaths, Helms Deep, Village, Forest, Trenches, Bridges from 2WW, Omaha Beach, Casino, Bank, Streets, New York, Cottages, Villas, Coasts, Mainland, Offland, Inland, Mountains, Horror Castles, Landscapes from Star Wars, Lord of the Rings or even Hogwarts, the maps already created are really endless and are still created alot of them everyday - completely new or made from the muses of already made.

So when you get to the map you got before yourself a window,
first there is a description of the server - some message or introducement of the Website Upside and what are the rules on this server,
the configuration of options like - Time Limit for one round, Time limit for one map,
how much people is allowed to play there, who is not allowed to play on this server,
what you cant do on this server(most of servers bans use of sexual context) or some kind of a LOGO.
When you click Ok on this window you get to another window before you can actualy play,
on this window there is written a description of the map which is now played on the server
and in the Left Side of this window you have four buttons - "Counter-Terrorist" "Terrorrist" "Spectator" and "OK"

In this game there are two sides you can play in role of - The Counter-Terrorists their color is blue, they are special trained police units for the fight against terrorism.
The Terrorists they are infidels, rebels of society, who wants to destroy the world, their color is red.
Also you can take the Third option to be a Spectator - You won't participate in the game,
but you can look how its going and just watch the progress, like unseen ghost that roams through the map.

There are Two Spawnpoints - For the Cts(Counter-Terrorists) and on the exact opposite side of the map for the Ts(Terrorists).

When the round starts all players buy weapons, every round they get cash dependent on how much enemies you killed last round,
who won the last round and on the configuration set by admins.
When players buy weapons, they start to run across the map, their doing is dependant on the map "style" there are two basic styles,
although there is alot of maps which are not based on the killing each other but are on more "race" like or "fun-game" like-rules,
like "Deathrun" - where is only one Terrorist who is in the tower with alot of buttons,
which when pressed unleash a Trap in alot of variety of forms to kill the tresspassers the Cts which goal is to run through whole map without beign killed,
so that you can in the end kill the Terrorist by some kind of a humiliatating sort of way.
There are "Surf" maps - on which there is no flat ground to run upon,
but are there a 90degree shaped plateaus on which the Ts and Cts Skim, getting weapon through the way.
There are alot of surf plateaus, tiny, big with bigger and lower slope, on these you gain speed depending on how good you are Surfer,
with that speed gained you can fly off the the ramps really high to some more inaccesible ramps, and for better weapons etc. ,
the killing of the two teams on these maps is really swift and unlike like on the normal maps.
There are also "Jail" maps - on these there are Three Terrorists in number on One Ct,
all Terrorists starts in cells unarmed and Cts are Guards with weapons, the Terrorists can try to escape and try to get into the Armory,
which is most of the time guarded by Guards, or can find some "hidden" weapons and try to do a rebelion.
On the start of the Round the Cts get themselves armed then open the cells and by voice command Terrorists what they must do,
when they do not follow the orders, they get a warning shot or get killed on the place, if they behave really bad against orders,
the orders the Ts get from Cts are most of the time like, playing semaphor, sprinting, racing,
playing football and other games that are on the map. Usually the last T that follow the order,
or looses the game get killed, when there is only one Terrorist alive,
he gets can do a "Western Shootout" , "Knife Fight" or last wish of his choose. Usually half of the Terrorists get killed,
before some of them success in escape, and then start shootout, the Ts who follows order, get some weapons and join the fight,
or remain under the orders of Cts, because you never know if the rebels get killed or win,
the Cts must be really oppressive and straighforward if they have to get to the "Last T alive" otherwise the Ts dont follow their orders and just run off.

The basic normal maps - There are two kinds of them the "Set the Bomb" or "Guard the Hostages"
On Set the Bomb style, one random terrorist on the start of the round gets a bomb which he must set on a bomb place - A or B, when he does there is 30 second countdown until explosion, when the Cts must defuse the bomb and win the round, or Ts sucessfully bomb the place and everyone dies, except those who ran to the farest corner of map, where the explosion doesnt hit them.
On Guard the Hostages style of maps, the terrorists Spawnpoint is in place where are Hostages, who just stand at place, the Terrorists must prevent Cts to excort them to Van.

Most of the Rounds, ends by killing of one whole team.

There is also a In-Game List, on which is written how much someone died and how much people he killed,
sorted in order from the worst to the best at these two teams, but all the scores are reseted when the map is changed.

There are also Hackers, who ruin the game for everyone who is not hacker, they use things like SpeedBot,
which allows them to run so fast that noone normal can aim on them and shoot them,
and AimBot which is even worse, the user actually does not aims,
the software he has Aims for him, so he just press the button and kill everyone without any effort.
Alot of Servers got AntiHack software,
which works for the most of "easyhacks" but everyday there are created new and more sophisticated versions of Hacks that go through the Antihack defense of the server,
these softwares are really hard to find.

[NagualHuman]

Have you ever played Counter-Strike ?
Its a Game
a very popular one, its a First Person Action Shooter Comparouter Game, its played through internalnet, worldwide.

When you get into the game, there is a Server List, on it there are Servers maintained by different people worldwide, yet they all are connected to the internet.
You see a server list, there are names of the servers like Bobs Slaughterhouse , Jeremy UltraspeedFastNet CS Server, Bobs Chillout Playout,
Shootout Heaven, Angus's Main CS Server some Servers are locked - they are accesible only for people who have the password to it,
if you wanna play on a Server that is Locked, you have to go to a site of that server, of that specific group, simply find the Info about the Server so that you may connect to it, in some cases - at the most popular servers, they are locked because the Admins know that a lot of people plays there, so they wanna make profit from that prosperous - so you must go to its website and scroll through many advertisement etc. to actually get to the password to that server on which alot of people plays.
Anyway, if you are hacker, you just hack it and dont need to look for the password, its really easy to get to the password in matter of few seconds...if you know how to hack.

Then when you join a server, after loading and connecting to that server, you see a map.
A map on which is now the people on server playing, the map changes every twenty,
more or less minutes(depends on the configuration made by Admins).
There is really alot of maps, and everyday the are created new and new, more synchronized with the needs of players.
There are several websites on which you can download maps.
There is really alot of maps, they are like architecture a play-ground where the players are playing - killing each other for the goal of the map.
There are maps in really alot of location, the people the architects who create maps are really creative,
they make everyday new maps in new amazing locations seen in their lives, in films,
in dreams and mostly just in their imagination of what would be really a good map such as Aztec Ruins, Cosmopolitan Towns, Venice, Skyscrapers, Deserts, Star of Deaths, Helms Deep, Village, Forest, Trenches, Bridges from 2WW, Omaha Beach, Casino, Bank, Streets, New York, Cottages, Villas, Coasts, Mainland, Offland, Inland, Mountains, Horror Castles, Landscapes from Star Wars, Lord of the Rings or even Hogwarts, the maps already created are really endless and are still created alot of them everyday - completely new or made from the muses of already made.

So when you get to the map you got before yourself a window,
first there is a description of the server - some message or introducement of the Website Upside and what are the rules on this server,
the configuration of options like - Time Limit for one round, Time limit for one map,
how much people is allowed to play there, who is not allowed to play on this server,
what you cant do on this server(most of servers bans use of sexual context) or some kind of a LOGO.
When you click Ok on this window you get to another window before you can actualy play,
on this window there is written a description of the map which is now played on the server
and in the Left Side of this window you have four buttons - "Counter-Terrorist" "Terrorrist" "Spectator" and "OK"

In this game there are two sides you can play in role of - The Counter-Terrorists their color is blue, they are special trained police units for the fight against terrorism.
The Terrorists they are infidels, rebels of society, who wants to destroy the world, their color is red.
Also you can take the Third option to be a Spectator - You won't participate in the game,
but you can look how its going and just watch the progress, like unseen ghost that roams through the map.

There are Two Spawnpoints - For the Cts(Counter-Terrorists) and on the exact opposite side of the map for the Ts(Terrorists).

When the round starts all players buy weapons, every round they get cash dependent on how much enemies you killed last round,
who won the last round and on the configuration set by admins.
When players buy weapons, they start to run across the map, their doing is dependant on the map "style" there are two basic styles,
although there is alot of maps which are not based on the killing each other but are on more "race" like or "fun-game" like-rules,
like "Deathrun" - where is only one Terrorist who is in the tower with alot of buttons,
which when pressed unleash a Trap in alot of variety of forms to kill the tresspassers the Cts which goal is to run through whole map without beign killed,
so that you can in the end kill the Terrorist by some kind of a humiliatating sort of way.
There are "Surf" maps - on which there is no flat ground to run upon,
but are there a 90degree shaped plateaus on which the Ts and Cts Skim, getting weapon through the way.
There are alot of surf plateaus, tiny, big with bigger and lower slope, on these you gain speed depending on how good you are Surfer,
with that speed gained you can fly off the the ramps really high to some more inaccesible ramps, and for better weapons etc. ,
the killing of the two teams on these maps is really swift and unlike like on the normal maps.
There are also "Jail" maps - on these there are Three Terrorists in number on One Ct,
all Terrorists starts in cells unarmed and Cts are Guards with weapons, the Terrorists can try to escape and try to get into the Armory,
which is most of the time guarded by Guards, or can find some "hidden" weapons and try to do a rebelion.
On the start of the Round the Cts get themselves armed then open the cells and by voice command Terrorists what they must do,
when they do not follow the orders, they get a warning shot or get killed on the place, if they behave really bad against orders,
the orders the Ts get from Cts are most of the time like, playing semaphor, sprinting, racing,
playing football and other games that are on the map. Usually the last T that follow the order,
or looses the game get killed, when there is only one Terrorist alive,
he gets can do a "Western Shootout" , "Knife Fight" or last wish of his choose. Usually half of the Terrorists get killed,
before some of them success in escape, and then start shootout, the Ts who follows order, get some weapons and join the fight,
or remain under the orders of Cts, because you never know if the rebels get killed or win,
the Cts must be really oppressive and straighforward if they have to get to the "Last T alive" otherwise the Ts dont follow their orders and just run off.

The basic normal maps - There are two kinds of them the "Set the Bomb" or "Guard the Hostages"
On Set the Bomb style, one random terrorist on the start of the round gets a bomb which he must set on a bomb place - A or B, when he does there is 30 second countdown until explosion, when the Cts must defuse the bomb and win the round, or Ts sucessfully bomb the place and everyone dies, except those who ran to the farest corner of map, where the explosion doesnt hit them.
On Guard the Hostages style of maps, the terrorists Spawnpoint is in place where are Hostages, who just stand at place, the Terrorists must prevent Cts to excort them to Van.

Most of the Rounds, ends by killing of one whole team.

There is also a In-Game List, on which is written how much someone died and how much people he killed,
sorted in order from the worst to the best at these two teams, but all the scores are reseted when the map is changed.

There are also Hackers, who ruin the game for everyone who is not hacker, they use things like SpeedBot,
which allows them to run so fast that noone normal can aim on them and shoot them,
and AimBot which is even worse, the user actually does not aims,
the software he has Aims for him, so he just press the button and kill everyone without any effort.
Alot of Servers got AntiHack software,
which works for the most of "easyhacks" but everyday there are created new and more sophisticated versions of Hacks that go through the Antihack defense of the server,
these softwares are really hard to find.

[watergaze]

the way I understand the situation you speak of coming your way, I would say this:
as the stalked I find it is best to be attentive. You dont want stuff to escape your attention. Observe the inner to catch the things that are bubbling up or not. Make note of what is and why, or at least what and then drill on the why later (if youre reacting then looking at the why later might makes sense, so you also dont miss something). get to the roots of issues. if youre angry, hurt, jealous etc look at why, what is behind the feeling, what history is behind it, what does it link to and why, what events from the past, what wishes for the future and where do those wishes or hopes come from, from what events or states in the past... etc etc.. lol i could just write a bunch of questions here one going to the other... coming to somewhere asking: who am I, why do I care, what in me cares, is that me, is there a me? what is me? . Anyways, I think you get the point. The next step is to not have an emotional reaction next time. Recap it all, cut the ties to it, so once something like that repeats you are just fine neutral with it all.

[NagualHuman]

What if one does not have any emotional bounds ?
What If every word we write or speak is just a reflections of OURSELVES not the surrouding, would that unleashed nuclear bomb ? (in terms of total annihilation)
and if NOT, why does it make you feel in not that sense, what does make you feel that you are better than the surrouding telling you that in reality you are nothing.
that in reality you have to do absolutely nothing... would that be bad ?

What sticks out the emotions ?
That is the only question I really want answer for.
(edit: merged two short posts)

[NagualHuman]

What sticks out the emotions ?
That is the only question I really want answer for.

[shamanka]

keep a journal and write alot, doodle alot, sit in what comes up, understand that all they are telling you may not be yours, use it as a way of strengthening your connection to your own inner ruler after all it is your best teacher not anyone else....if it says something..listen to it even if you feel that the whole world stands in contradiction...thats what makes you a single leaf on the whole tree...

sometimes you learn by elimination of what you are not, in relation to others, rather than being told and agreeing to what you are...

good luck.x

[NagualHuman]

Little of physics...
Light, in knowledge libraries of certain individuals and faculties...
It is said that everything is made out of light...even the physical world! without light we would not see anything... that makes one equation Seeing=Light
Actually the light is all the time little elsewhere (some serious lightspeed speed involved), that makes second equation Speed=Efficiency
Anytime you see an physical object you are looking at what the Object Negates! Repulses! that makes third equation Matter=Not Light
The physical objects absorbs, nonphysical light (light has no equal in physical world),

What you see by your eyes is in reality a light that is negated - repulsed by the object,
because all the levels that are not spoken off-seen by eye the other colors and shades of light,
that those who are seen are in reality absorbed by the physical object... Than we really live in paradoxical world,
if everything we see by our light is in reality just a **** a something repulsed - dislodged by the objects.
Now if we take in consideration the information these individuals and faculties shown to us many,
many times - That we all are the same, we are all the light, than I wonder...what do we repulse in reality ?

Void...

but thats not the end,
thats just clarification of the well known fact of that there is Ying and Yang all the time...
I am interested what is behind that ?

I cant really get to that right, the only thing I can think of is the 99/1 and 1/99, which seems somehow vague to me.

[Guest]

How to be a good lil stalkee:

First, the initial idea of being the stalkee can be overwhelming. I mean, who wants to be brought into that messy ? It can make us , not , sometimes it even can make us and if the stalker is really malicious . I mean really, .

Yet, , it must be done so we can ! Be one amongst the and . . . to avoid the dreaded and .

Really, the ideal stalkee can be hurt while also playing in . The goal isn't to push you into a permanent depression or make you or put over your head .

It's meant to and , maybe even make it into a . If you're really lucky, you might transform into a ! or a ! OR! a . Yet if you wanna be a or just or that's all good too.

Really though, to listen to the stalkee do and and . . . that just makes me . That is !

Instead, I'd rather and , giving people the wiggly .

Nature is beautiful whether you're a or a .

There's no reason to say , stay and about others. Stop being a . s think the world has ended, right before they turn into .

So when people look like they're doing this and saying things which you feel should be , instead you should be a and them . Go and make yourself some , don't sit down and let others . Because that's just .

What you should do is take the ingredients others give you and use it to . Be . Not a . If you don't, then you'll just . That just gets you more of and and and .

Heh

Dance with others, doesn't matter how. You can do it this way or even bust out moves like Sen and .

Oh by the way, I forgot to say Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all you fun - Signed the .

Seasons Greetings after all!

can lead to and and but whatever it takes to get you to or or you to the small stuff, is a wonderful production of .

. there's really too many emoticons to use xP Time to ! oh just you . Don't be so or . Have some fun with it you .

oh we're such in a , just keeping our that there'll be on the table for dinner. That we'll be and finally to ourselves so that we fully and . Even a partial is a form of . Doesn't make you a , just a . Kiss the , turn that upside down. Such a and . If you keep doing that, your face will stick like that, do you really wanna be this ? or a ?



Learn to get back to basics and . Put on your and . Learn to contribute by playing a or a by with your and saying to those within distance. It's alright to ask for . You mustn't be emo to do it either, sometimes asking for help can even look like this . Be brave to be a .



Jump onto their backs and ! Stop being so and . Allow them to bring you an or two.

the possibilities.

!!! !!! !!! !!!

Learn how to so that you may and avoid being and and doing this . Again, that just makes you when you should me . Be a or a , speak to the man on the or the in your wall. Flex your and find your personal . Whether it's or , or ... having can turn you into a , when you're a badass it might make people and , leaving them with with what you do, like NH. Yet there are the rare few who do instead of .

So be , make people , sometimes you can even be but there's ways to link things to all.



Lalala, I feel silly but at least I'm not . I'm really as I play the stalkee. Things might begin like a but eventually they transform into and I find someone else who likes to . Don't think I miss those who either! Because any way we decide to join in, just the face that you've placed yourself here makes you .

We're all so diverse, there's no wrong way to join either. You can jump on the , head upstairs to the bedroom and or step outside to try out being a . Even has its place in the mess.

Just , interact and . but don't

Wow, I have no clue how to use the or the .... weird smilies. They don't belong here.

leads to s and that means you have the chance to . Be a , , with the intent to , not .

I appreciate you. Even if that makes me or I do it anyway. Learn to and don't be afraid to be . Being cold is more than finding a way to with your opponent.

Pick up that mask and stick and . Be a . Learn to so you don't just . No reason to be and at others. Because we're all at you.

Put this in your pipe and it. Be the and the . Even the !

Stop holding that sign , think before you act. Be a . Sometimes it's cool to but usually, it's more rewarding to . Afterall are just as cute as . Timber! Find a friend and , maybe even solo until you find your victim... ehem... dance partner.



Shine like a ! Be as bright as the ! Go to the nearest nude beach and ! Nudity, oh noes! . Even ! Don't . Just . Be your own and know it's ok to occasionally because we all need a little once in a while.

When you're overwhelmed, step back a moment and , maybe even get some . Or put up the and give yourself a reprieve. Sometimes you'll but whatever, that's too.

When you've had too much, . Reopen it later when you're better able to deal with it.



It's not that deep. Don't be a or be that person holding the on a sunny day.

Learn to spot the in the room and avoid forcing others to see it too. They will when it's they're ready. That's what makes you . Also makes you into a but hey, either way is a .

Stop playing the and , telling others to because they're disruptive. , no, of course I'm not a . , they didn't spot me. Incognito, . We just stand here and at all those who are out there in the .

Be the , learn to . Even if you're just along, going , afraid to , maybe even .... eventually you'll hit the and become the next .... and then put others to because they can't understand you. That's ok, go get some and try against the next day. There are many ways to sleep, even this way . Just so long as you get some and once in a while, it's better than .

All in all, I hope you enjoyed my usage of every single fucking emoticon here because we all know, messages come in all flavors, learning to make sense of every one means you're more likely to hear what's transmitted

[shamanka]

very clever and cool Kao x loved it x

[Guest]

heh, thank you Shamanka. That took a while to make, and it was painful xD but the end result was so colorful and fun that it was worth the effort. I'm sure I could have said it better and more concise with purely words, but the change in media was a good exercise for me. Thank you for seeing that

Kao

[Guest]

Jesus! got a headache now after reading that post. but it was fun and creative

[Julio Juliopolis]

Thanks for the advice. I hope more people comment on this and the role of the stalkee is explored further. Kao, your post was very pretty and I think I understood most of it, but could you explain in a little more detail what you meant by "oh we're such in a , just keeping our that there'll be on the table for dinner."?

[delawaredan]

We are consumers in a society with limited resources, the clock is ticking, we are running out of supplies..........yet we blindly hope for our needs to be met. Without taking a warrior's stance.

[NagualHuman]

Looking for the right shield and arms right ?

[Guest]

Lol JJ.

We are such farmers in a film, keeping our fingers crossed that they'll be fish on the table. Translated, it means we're idiots for dreaming without action. It's all in the application. If you want something, go and get it. Sitting back and hoping usually doesn't yield results. Usually. Unless . . .

Yes, Dan got the meaning behind it Dan's been on it lately, it's like he's on fire. I'm gonna pour gasoline on myself and see if his fire with ignite mine

[watergaze]

P.S. to my post. If you are aware enough in the moment to realize you are a'reacting and maybe even see a bit of why you can do the sweeping breath and focus on dropping the stuff right then and there. Change the reaction in yourself as the situation is happening.

Let us know how the stalking went JJ .

[Kristopher]

Julio Juliopolis wrote:Recently a couple of generous members of this site have enthusiastically volunteered to help me by stalking me on a few things that tend to trouble me soon. To prepare for the events, I thought I'd look around in here to help me understand what I should be doing during them. While there's obviously a lot of information here about stalking, the stuff I've found tends to be written purely from the perspective of the would be stalker. As I think that the stalked has just as important of a role to play in the process, if not a more important one, I'm hoping to use this thread to generate ideas and suggestions about how best to be stalked. What techniques to use, what to avoid, and anything else of that nature. Also, any examples of a stalk in which you feel you benefitted greatly by or thought someone else handled well as a stalkee would be appreciated.Be open and honest with yourself.  
K

[serloco]

This may be off topic as to what you are referring to but when i think of being stalked i immediately think of inorganic beings. The watchers. Now when i first started stalking the stalkers I had an active realization that changed everything. The realization was that these people around me are all watching me and observing me, reading my thoughts and seeing my awareness. When i say active i mean when i had that thought it immediately manifested itself. I started to stalk them closely, at the same time observing my inner thoughts. At first i could see subtle movements in their body language as I thought specific things. After a little while of stalking them they came out further and started commenting on my awareness and thoughts. SO every thought i had was being observed and then commented upon. The awareness that these beings were reading me like a book really hit me hard and made me a much better stalker. No longer did i have the privacy of my thoughts, instead everyone around me was telepathic. It was as if the realization transferred me into another parallel dimension. The stalkers were powerful and very aware, but were not running the show. They lat me come to my own conclusions, my own realizations and then changed themselves accordingly. So if i had a thought and accepted it that they were no longer aware of me, then they would act as if they had no clue what i was thinking. They taught me that my judgments about reality had the power to move reality, or alter it. This helped me immensly because if i had a bad judgment they would carry it out as if on cue, or they would warn me of my negative peril. I learned that these inorganic beings moved to our awareness, and so does the world around us. SO the best thing to do as a stalkee is to be immensly aware of your awareness and judgments. That includes all the knowledge and ideas you have about the world. Can these ideas be improved on, and what problems do i have in my awareness that can be solved. Having a bad thought, or negative judgment can mark the difference between life and death, or mundania and magica.

[NagualHuman]

Yea, yea, yea its all the time same if you think and see bad, its gonna be bad, if its otherwise, well then no problem.
The point of all the teachings is the get past this petty point of values and to witness beyond, without need to evaluate and to simply wonder.
but the endless struggle of reason to count in something or someone, or to count values and possibility of possibility, the allmighty calculator - reason is trying to just remain in the state of proccessing without beign attached to outcome, but what reason can't deal with is that there are only out-comes.

The endless struggle to shatter into two, outer and inner, good and bad perpetuated by reason determines the solid state a.k.a "I am here, but not over there." when that is shut and the two voices fuses into one, it creates a field of self increasing power.

Its either positive and negative, saying nothing in the end or its posivite and posivite, always something more, saying who the *** knows how far in the end.

Don Juan Matus said:
"World of usual man is filled with upsides and downsides,
but sorcerer's eyes watch something beyond all that."

[serloco]

But remember reasoning and the position of reason can be a very good thing when not bent by self-importance. When you have a clear view of silent knowledge and reason you can see and understand great things, and without being attached to what you see.

[NagualHuman]

and thats the exact reason, why one has to be very detached from his own reason.

[serloco]

One just needs to see.

[NagualHuman]

How ?

[serloco]

NagualHuman wrote:How ?
Intent. You lay out a plan, with all your expectations, and you intend to witness energy directly, as it happens, and to understand, through seeing, what is happening. It'll come like a voice, or a conscious channel, that is described as seeing. It is direct and informational. Some have it naturally and are thus seers, some spend excess energy in other pursuits and miss it completely. Either way it is there you just have to listen to it. Stop the noise and listen and watch.