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datura8 wrote:I wonder if this is like my skunk situation. I dreamed of skunk, then came here and skunk was mentioned on another thread. ANd Nu Lang said 'we've all been skunks lately.' LOL I know Jung called what you are describing as synchronicity. I've always liked that term. But omens like these makes me think that spirit is definitely stalking us!
Yes, and to believe otherwise is simply insane rationality that justifies 'there is no magic, its only coincidence' watch out for that, it kills a warriors quest like no other way can.
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What can we gain by sailing to the moon if we are not able to cross the abyss that separates us from ourselves? This is the most important of all voyages of discovery, and without it, all the rest are not only useless, but disastrous.
Thomas Merton
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Windwalker wrote:What can we gain by sailing to the moon if we are not able to cross the abyss that separates us from ourselves? This is the most important of all voyages of discovery, and without it, all the rest are not only useless, but disastrous.
Thomas Merton
Great point Windwalker.
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Found this on my igoogle word of the day and thought it kinda fit with our discussion, especially concerning 'stalking others'.
tailing
(noun) The act of following someone secretly.Synonyms  hadowingUsage:The private eye has been tailing my husband for the past week to gather evidence of infidelity
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alien wrote:
Sedna wrote:
But the ultimate 'what is a person really' question. What is it that constitutes a person (their true self in their totality) and what is it you think you are seeing?
A seer sees both - the totality AND the persona (or the "character-identity"). In most cases, the seer isn't judging anything about the person - simply observing, for whatever reason, or just because it's how *seeing* works. For example, I can see the buddha NATURE in people, but I can also see that most people make little effort to manifest that nature. Doesn't matter to me one way or the other, just observations in the same way I would observe a tree bending in the wind or a wave breaking on the shore.
Are you seeing them in their totality and if you are could one ever in their totality as their true self be a tyrant as you said in your example?
The true self is never a tyrant, but the character/identity in the tonal certainly can be. Hitler may have had a heart of gold. But that is not what manifested in his actions and intent. His character/identity persona was a tyrant in the tonal, regardless of whatever else he may have been in his nagual.
Seeing a person wearing a red shirt is one thing, but seeing that a person is a saint because saints often wear red shirts is another thing. You say you watch their actions...so just saying...and asking because I want to get this clear.
When DJ saw, he saw only luminous eggs...and not saints and sinners. So again, before giving the answer you always give, consider what is it that you are seeing...their true self or your projection of meanings and judgments on a set of actions?
I always consider what I am seeing and like I said... if I say someone is a tyrant, I'm not referring to their true nature, but to their character/identity within the tonal, since that is the level where we mainly connect with others. Seeing is just another ability humans have if they choose to use it. Choosing NOT to use it is just foolhardy and may result in an early demise. Heh. Ever been in a situation where something inside you says, "Better turn left instead of right"? That's seeing - and you may later discover that had you turned right, it would have been into the path of an oncoming bus. Most times, *seeing* works in the background, as intrinsic as breathing to a warrior. But it can be validated if one takes the time/effort to do so.
I should also make it clear that seeing a person's true self is easy. At the core, the energetic matrix that holds us together is what humans have labeled "love" - though not in any gushy romantic sense, but in the sense of a quantifiable force which we ATTEMPT to define and label, but which, at its root-core, is simply an animus driven & motivated & comprised of the "energy" of "love". Words are only descriptions and descriptions are inadequate, but hopefully you will *see* what is intended here. So... seeing a person's true self is easy. Seeing their character/identity and its motivations is not aways as easy, but every bit as crucial.
You stated previously in another thread the difference between ordinary men and warriors, I think you are onto something with that and think that it applies to this admirably. If a warrior knows nothing matters then it would seem that a warrior wouldn't concern themselves with actions or making those actions matter.
It isn't that someone's actions matter or don't matter where *seeing* is concerned. As with all things, it's about awareness and perception. For example, in the tonal world (where we mostly live, work & play), if I *see* that a business competitor is attempting to damage my business, the awareness of that gives me the opportunity to take action to prevent it. Does it MATTER? Of course not. But in the tonal world, it can mean the difference between survival or extinction, so *seeing* is not some sacred task reserved for prayer circles and meditations. It is a survival mechanism which can be honed, like any other "muscle". WHAT we *see* matters only to the extent that it may determine our own actions.
If a warrior knew it was all folly, you would think that they would look past the folly to the heart of the true authentic person inside. If you saw past the folly to the authentic person...what is it you see when you see?
As stated above, what I *see* at the core of all living beings is the animus of "love" - not an emotional feeling or state of being, but an actual energetic field/force which IS the luminous egg and the totality of the double.
BTW - thanks for some challenging questions. Very refreshing!
You are welcome, and here are some more.
You state that you can easily see the true nature or core of a person. However, what it is that you respond to (provoke) is their invented self while ignoring their true self. On some level you must see that love begets love and invented self begets more invented self. My question, although you have already answered it, is WHAT you choose to call out of others?
The other issue I have with your description is your stating that one IS a tyrant when you also say that one IS love. If one IS love then one cannot also be a tyrant, so you may need to choose words that more clearly describe what it is that you are trying to communicate.
I agree, in the tonal, one can go about one invented self to another invented self...you made quite a game of it with your MIL. However, my questions concern what might happen if you WERE your true self, if you WERE love, with your MIL how differently those interactions might be. It can be confusing trying to distinguish between your beliefs and values and who you ARE. However, if who you ARE is an expression of love then anything that is anything other than an expression of love is not you. It can also be difficult to distinguish or discern the various loves one has from the love they are, this is why I asked you as an expression of your true self, the expression of love you ARE, what you would express to her...however, you couldn't answer this.
Consider carefully, what one really IS?
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Sedna wrote:
You are welcome, and here are some more.
You state that you can easily see the true nature or core of a person. However, what it is that you respond to (provoke) is their invented self while ignoring their true self. On some level you must see that love begets love and invented self begets more invented self. My question, although you have already answered it, is WHAT you choose to call out of others?
A seer also sees when a bullshit artist is playing games of semantics and NLP. Sorry sorry, love me, love me.
The other issue I have with your description is your stating that one IS a tyrant when you also say that one IS love. If one IS love then one cannot also be a tyrant, so you may need to choose words that more clearly describe what it is that you are trying to communicate.
IF you knew anything about sorcery, you would know the concept of dualty - not dualism, but duality. The reality of it is this: two things may exist simultaneously without either threatening the sovereignty of the other. Yin and yang - a piece of each wihin the other. I can love someone unconditionally and not like them in the least. So you may want to consider more carefully what YOU are trying to communicate. Or are you trying to communicate at all, or only cloud the issue?
I agree, in the tonal, one can go about one invented self to another invented self...you made quite a game of it with your MIL. However, my questions concern what might happen if you WERE your true self, if you WERE love, with your MIL how differently those interactions might be. It can be confusing trying to distinguish between your beliefs and values and who you ARE.
Yes, you are living proof of that, my old friend. *winks* Nothing has changed with you. Nothing ever will. That is who you ARE.
However, if who you ARE is an expression of love then anything that is anything other than an expression of love is not you.
Incorrect. I'm not going to waste anymore time trying to explain to you why or how it works, because clearly you are only here to muddy the waters and play the same old games you've been playing for years. I had "indulged" you briefly for the purpose of drawing you out, but this is going nowhere.
It can also be difficult to distinguish or discern the various loves one has from the love they are, this is why I asked you as an expression of your true self, the expression of love you ARE, what you would express to her...however, you couldn't answer this.
I answered it. You simply didn't like the answer - which, of course is not my problem, but yours.
Consider carefully, what one really IS?
I have. Have you? (Please -don't answer that. If you were authentic, you wouldn't be hiding behind yet one more avatar, pretending... preteding...)
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So you are unable to connect any real life activity to CC's stalking, thank you.
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CC from the Power of Silence...
* The art of stalking is learning all the quirks of your disguise.*
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Sedna wrote:
So you are unable to connect any real life activity to CC's stalking, thank you.
If that's how you need to see it, that's all you will be able to see. I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions, too, you realize.
Who are you?
(Of course, we all already know, but I'd like to hear it from you.)
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are you trying to communicate...
, or only cloud the issue?Within duality it could be both, eh?
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alien wrote:I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions, too, you realize.
Who are you?
(Of course, we all already know, but I'd like to hear it from you.)
Can I answer this one? Can I? Can I? (puhlllleeeease....)
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Enchantra wrote:
alien wrote:
I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions, too, you realize.
Who are you?
(Of course, we all already know, but I'd like to hear it from you.)
Can I answer this one? Can I? Can I? (puhlllleeeease....)
Sure! Since Sedna isn't answering, we can make up anything we like!
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Nu Lang wrote:
are you trying to communicate...
, or only cloud the issue?Within duality it could be both, eh?Could be.
(But ain't.)
Agent Smith moves in mysterious ways.
(Not really - she just likes to make it look that way,)
Ergo... clouding the issue IS the issue, as is always the case with Mr. Smith.
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Its still a form of communication though, an expression of a truth.
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Nu Lang wrote:
Its still a form of communication though, an expression of a truth. It's an expression, all right. But "truth" has NOTHING to do with it.
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What do you think it is then if not truth (Sedna's truth)?
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Nu Lang wrote:
What do you think it is then if not truth (Sedna's truth)?
It is "the past" repeating itself.
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I feel Sedna has a truth and is trying to communicate it. She kept disagreeing with me every time I gave her an example about stalking which she asked for, but still I found her responses useful to me in a way different then if she 'connected'. She didn't convince me I was wrong about anything, but rather I experienced an expanding of my own perception as a result of our interaction. If she's just pretending, well that won't be tolerated here if the intent is to wreck things, but its possibly not the case, are you so sure its exactly the past repeating itself? I did not see that past first hand myself. Consider that the energy in this situation is different and so different dynamics set into motion here.
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Nu Lang wrote:I feel Sedna has a truth and is trying to communicate it. She kept disagreeing with me every time I gave her an example about stalking which she asked for, .
Probably does have a truth, but definitely has told so many lies, that the truth is no doubt hard to find after all this time.
About the disagreeing, no matter what you say, that's the MO.
Nu Lang, consider for a moment, if after say a year here at New Seers, you find out that a person whom you thought you had dreamed with, had corresponded and connected with and who had become part of the Forum, turns out to be an alias of another member, someone just playing around. The dreams she claimed to have shared were fabricated and all stories she told were lies. What a big waste of time.
She's shown up here already, probably with at least one other alias, so I bet it's just a matter of time before the games begin again. Then again, I am not convinced that y'all haven't been playing with her for long before I arrived here.
Again, a waste of time and energy we could better spend of walking our path with heart.
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Nu Lang wrote:
I feel Sedna has a truth and is trying to communicate it. She kept disagreeing with me every time I gave her an example about stalking which she asked for, but still I found her responses useful to me in a way different then if she 'connected'. She didn't convince me I was wrong about anything, but rather I experienced an expanding of my own perception as a result of our interaction. If she's just pretending, well that won't be tolerated here if the intent is to wreck things, but its possibly not the case, are you so sure its exactly the past repeating itself? I did not see that past first hand myself. Consider that the energy in this situation is different and so different dynamics set into motion here.The energy is no different. That's the point. Lemme put it this way. If this is NOT the same person, it is someone exactly like her. She has a reason for disagreeing with you, just as she has a reason for telling Lex how advanced he is. Divide and conquer. Gather allies and create adversaries. The mark of a master baiter. *gotta laugh*
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I meant the group energy is different, such as I'm here and I was not in the past instances you describe, and I believe Lex is a new one too (that he did not interact with Sedna before this forum). So I mean our energy/awareness is new to whatever happened previously that you feel will repeat. Truly there cannot be a repeat due to different people's energy which changes things.
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Whaty alien is telling you Nu lang is that she has happened at many different
Forums with many difft memnbets ans group energies over time. The MO hasnt seemed
To have changed and so the game replays itself, sure with difft group energy, still same game.
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Sorry for the last post, I typed it on my phone which has no preview function and now I can't edit my mistakes. So it's a big mess, hey kinda like this thread since we keep talking about an old disaster.
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Nu Lang wrote:
I meant the group energy is different, such as I'm here and I was not in the past instances you describe, and I believe Lex is a new one too (that he did not interact with Sedna before this forum). So I mean our energy/awareness is new to whatever happened previously that you feel will repeat. Truly there cannot be a repeat due to different people's energy which changes things
Just because you yourself did not go through the war doesn't mean the war didn't happen. Do you REALLY want to go through awar just so you can say you have? A different war is still the same war when all is said and done. Think about it.
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alien wrote:Nu Lang wrote:
I meant the group energy is different, such as I'm here and I was not in the past instances you describe, and I believe Lex is a new one too (that he did not interact with Sedna before this forum). So I mean our energy/awareness is new to whatever happened previously that you feel will repeat. Truly there cannot be a repeat due to different people's energy which changes things
Just because you yourself did not go through the war doesn't mean the war didn't happen. Do you REALLY want to go through awar just so you can say you have? A different war is still the same war when all is said and done. Think about it.
I guess, from Nu Lang's perspective, it's kind of like when you date a man that's a jerk or abusive or a loser. Before things get serious several people warn you but you just won't hear it. His ex girlfriends might tell you he's no good, his buddies might warn you to stay away from him, and your parents and siblings might tell you to steer clear, but still, you might be inclined to see for yourself. After all, he might change, things might be different with you.
Humans like to experience some things for themselves, train wrecks included I guess.
After the train has crashed, it is easier to see the track we should have stayed on.
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