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Gonzo wrote:
Stalking is the art of capturing prey.
1. to pursue or approach prey, quarry, etc., stealthily.Gonzo, ultimately a warrior stalks power. Power is the prey. This is what we are all seeking. Power, so we can be free. The whole quest for a warrior is to have their freedom. I stalk my issues so I can be free. But I need the personal power to achieve my liberation. I recap, I stalk, I seek to burn away all the dross that holds me down. If one has the desire, one can achieve this, with hard work.
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RaINbow DIAMOND UNICORN wrote:SPIRIT is more than a Teacher... She is also a Friend, a Guide... a Lover...
She is even a better friend than Death
This would imply that Spirit cares, or has a concern about human affairs. In my opinion, it is very like the nagual, it that it can be equated to the ocean...immense power, without concern.
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Gonzo, I have the day off work today so that I can sit ina trianing class. FoodSafe.
A different environment gives me good opportunity for stalking. So far I have stalked my self
Importance, judgements and fixations. Definitley worth coming out so far.
I would guess that if you believe stalking is not possible, then it is probably not for you.
For me it is the most worthy tool I have.
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datura8 wrote:Gonzo wrote:
Stalking is the art of capturing prey.
1. to pursue or approach prey, quarry, etc., stealthily.Gonzo, ultimately a warrior stalks power. Power is the prey. This is what we are all seeking. Power, so we can be free. The whole quest for a warrior is to have their freedom. I stalk my issues so I can be free. But I need the personal power to achieve my liberation. I recap, I stalk, I seek to burn away all the dross that holds me down. If one has the desire, one can achieve this, with hard work.
What? I thought self was the prey. Don Juan said elsewhere, that each of us is born with a finite amount of power. Is there a contradiction there? What are you stalking? You can't stalk power...either you have it, or you don't.
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datura8 wrote:
Gonzo wrote:
Stalking is the art of capturing prey.
1. to pursue or approach prey, quarry, etc., stealthily.Gonzo, ultimately a warrior stalks power. Power is the prey. This is what we are all seeking. Power, so we can be free. The whole quest for a warrior is to have their freedom. I stalk my issues so I can be free. But I need the personal power to achieve my liberation. I recap, I stalk, I seek to burn away all the dross that holds me down. If one has the desire, one can achieve this, with hard work.
I'm going to have to agree. Spirit doesn't give two shits if we make it past the eagle or not. Whether we make it or not takes a lot of hard work. We can pray, we can love, we can fight to the death. But ultimately it will be up to us to make it or not.
With that said however, I do see that Spirit can teach. To say no would be a limitation of Spirit's power, and this would not be accurate. But the teaching comes in different forms. Like Jung's syncronicity, or watching the wind blow and then change directions. Hearing a wolf's howl. Experiencing omens. We have to pay attention closely for the lessons. But spirit can most definitely teach, but I agree, they are unconcerned with us if we make it or not. Ultimately making it past the eagle will be a test of our mettle. It depends how much we have achieved in being warriors or not.
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Enchantra wrote:Gonzo, I have the day off work today so that I can sit ina trianing class. FoodSafe.
A different environment gives me good opportunity for stalking. So far I have stalked my self
Importance, judgements and fixations. Definitley worth coming out so far.
I would guess that if you believe stalking is not possible, then it is probably not for you.
For me it is the most worthy tool I have.
By far, the most worthy tool don Juan provided was recapitulation.
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Gonzo wrote:
datura8 wrote:
Gonzo wrote:
Stalking is the art of capturing prey.
1. to pursue or approach prey, quarry, etc., stealthily.Gonzo, ultimately a warrior stalks power. Power is the prey. This is what we are all seeking. Power, so we can be free. The whole quest for a warrior is to have their freedom. I stalk my issues so I can be free. But I need the personal power to achieve my liberation. I recap, I stalk, I seek to burn away all the dross that holds me down. If one has the desire, one can achieve this, with hard work.
What? I thought self was the prey. Don Juan said elsewhere, that each of us is born with a finite amount of power. Is there a contradiction there? What are you stalking? You can't stalk power...either you have it, or you don't.
Of course you can stalk power I do it all the time! I have my own reserves, and other people have power that they may gift to me along the way. Self is prey too, yes, but so Is power. How else am I going to get power unless I seek to go find it? Wow, we may have to start a new topic lol
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It doesn't matter what one reveals or what one keeps to oneself. Everything we do, everything we are, rests on our personal power. If we have enough of it, one word uttered to us might be sufficient to change the course of our lives. But if we don't have enough personal power, the most magnificent piece of wisdom can be revealed to us and that revelation won't make a damn bit of difference. ~CC Tales of Power
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Recapitulation falls under the umbrella of stalking.
Gonzo wrote:Enchantra wrote:Gonzo, I have the day off work today so that I can sit ina trianing class. FoodSafe.
A different environment gives me good opportunity for stalking. So far I have stalked my self
Importance, judgements and fixations. Definitley worth coming out so far.
I would guess that if you believe stalking is not possible, then it is probably not for you.
For me it is the most worthy tool I have.
By far, the most worthy tool don Juan provided was recapitulation.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/_YzndgZc8kM?fs=1&hl=en_US RaINbow DIAMOND UNICORN wrote:
Gonzo wrote:
RaINbow DIAMOND UNICORN wrote:
SPIRIT is more than a Teacher... She is also a Friend, a Guide... a Lover...
She is even a better friend than Death
This would imply that Spirit cares, or has a concern about human affairs.� In my opinion, it is very like the nagual, it that it can be equated to the ocean...immense power, without concern.
Indeed it implies Personality that cares, has compassion, and LOVES...
In my opinion Spirit manifests as the nagual and can be likened unto nature... immense power, rugged beauty, breath-taking awesomeness... yet there are higher aspects that have to do with PERSONALITY... this is a secret some may miss...� the Personality of SPIRIT...� Spirit is not just some Infinite cold emptiness, and Abstract absolute Void, a dark sea of awareness... SPIRIT is BOTH PERSONAL and IMPERSONAL...� and I think some devalue the PERSONAL aspect of SPIRIT and ignore it, which results in a weakening of the connecting link with INTENT� (SPIRIT)
Ack! I don't see Spirit as having a personality. Spirit is the Eagle. Spriit is what seeks to devour us in the end. We don't pray to the eagle for our freedom because the eagle wants to eat our experiences. Spirit seeks us as food, to lay us flat, and spat us out back into the recycling bin, lol. I'm not saying spirit is incapable of love because Spirit thinks it love to devour us. A lover seeks to consume their lover, to the quick. But spirit doesn't have a personality. Guides might, IBs, things like that. But Spirit is impersonal. Just wants to eat you Rainbow, don't be fooled!
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RaINbow DIAMOND UNICORN wrote:Gonzo wrote:RaINbow DIAMOND UNICORN wrote:SPIRIT is more than a Teacher... She is also a Friend, a Guide... a Lover...
She is even a better friend than Death
This would imply that Spirit cares, or has a concern about human affairs.� In my opinion, it is very like the nagual, it that it can be equated to the ocean...immense power, without concern.
Indeed it implies Personality that cares, has compassion, and LOVES...
In my opinion Spirit manifests as the nagual and can be likened unto nature... immense power, rugged beauty, breath-taking awesomeness... yet there are higher aspects that have to do with PERSONALITY... this is a secret some may miss...� the Personality of SPIRIT...� Spirit is not just some Infinite cold emptiness, and Abstract absolute Void, a dark sea of awareness... SPIRIT is BOTH PERSONAL and IMPERSONAL...� and I think some devalue the PERSONAL aspect of SPIRIT and ignore it, which results in a weakening of the connecting link with INTENT� (SPIRIT)
Do you need to be loved? As I recall, don Juan stated somewhere that we had all we needed for this magnificent journey that is our lives. Why might we need the love of anything? Doesn't that imply a need generated from a sense of self-importance?
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Do you need to be loved?� As I recall, don Juan stated somewhere that we had all we needed for this magnificent journey that is our lives.� Why might we need the love of anything?� Doesn't that imply a need generated from a sense of self-importance?
OMG Gonzo you're so hardcore! LOL! I think we all need love. As babies, this is what keeps us alive along with milk. And milk is love. We grow, and we behave like fools in the quest for love, always seeking it, until it exhausts us. Live can be lived without love, but what a sad world it would be to be without it! OMG. I would hate it if I didn't have love in my life. Maybe Rainbow feels better believing that Spirit loves and takes a personal account for them. For all I know this could be true, you never know. I am just small fry potatoes in the face of spirit!
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What is the art of stalking ? A hunter just hunts, a stalker stalks anything, including himself. An impeccable stalker can turn anything into prey. We can even stalk our own weaknesses. You do it in the same way you stalk prey. You figure out your routines until you know all the doing of your weaknesses and then you come upon them and pick them up like rabbits inside a cage. ~DJ
Gonzo? Is that so? lol
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RaINbow DIAMOND UNICORN wrote:Gonzo, my understanding is LOVE is all that is, we are love, it is our nature and essence...
the essence of SPIRIT is LOVE...
Spirit is a Loving Personality...
thus the path of heart
LOVE is the essence of ALL HEART PATHS
Love, as humans consider it, is a total self-important indulgence, imho.
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datura8 wrote:
Do you need to be loved?� As I recall, don Juan stated somewhere that we had all we needed for this magnificent journey that is our lives.� Why might we need the love of anything?� Doesn't that imply a need generated from a sense of self-importance?
OMG Gonzo you're so hardcore! LOL! I think we all need love. As babies, this is what keeps us alive along with milk. And milk is love. We grow, and we behave like fools in the quest for love, always seeking it, until it exhausts us. Live can be lived without love, but what a sad world it would be to be without it! OMG. I would hate it if I didn't have love in my life. Maybe Rainbow feels better believing that Spirit loves and takes a personal account for them. For all I know this could be true, you never know. I am just small fry potatoes in the face of spirit!
Nonsense. Every baby's only concern is survival. That's why they learn to smile. Consider seriously why you think you need love. It is pure self-importance. Equate the nagual to the ocean...does the ocean "love" anyone, or anything that it provides sustenance for? Did it express "love" in the Japanese tsunami?
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datura8 wrote:What is the art of stalking ? A hunter just hunts, a stalker stalks anything, including himself. An impeccable stalker can turn anything into prey. We can even stalk our own weaknesses. You do it in the same way you stalk prey. You figure out your routines until you know all the doing of your weaknesses and then you come upon them and pick them up like rabbits inside a cage. ~DJ
Gonzo? Is that so? lol
Dat...I spoke to that...it is impossible to stalk yourself.
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Gonzo wrote:
datura8 wrote:
Do you need to be loved?� As I recall, don Juan stated somewhere that we had all we needed for this magnificent journey that is our lives.� Why might we need the love of anything?� Doesn't that imply a need generated from a sense of self-importance?
OMG Gonzo you're so hardcore! LOL! I think we all need love. As babies, this is what keeps us alive along with milk. And milk is love. We grow, and we behave like fools in the quest for love, always seeking it, until it exhausts us. Live can be lived without love, but what a sad world it would be to be without it! OMG. I would hate it if I didn't have love in my life. Maybe Rainbow feels better believing that Spirit loves and takes a personal account for them. For all I know this could be true, you never know. I am just small fry potatoes in the face of spirit!
Nonsense. Every baby's only concern is survival. That's why they learn to smile. Consider seriously why you think you need love. It is pure self-importance. Equate the nagual to the ocean...does the ocean "love" anyone, or anything that it provides sustenance for? Did it express "love" in the Japanese tsunami?
Well of course the ocean doesnt love us, we can drown in it! But what about love from others? I don't see it as self-important. When I'm in love I give. Not cause I necessarily need anything in return, but because I want to give to the other person.
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RaINbow DIAMOND UNICORN wrote:
Is SPIRIT alive? Yes
Is SPIRIT conscious? I think they have something other than consciousness. But I don't know what that is.
Is SPIRIT aware? Not of everything.
Does SPIRIT feel? Not like us
Can SPIRIT communicate with a sentient being... directly? I don't think Spirit is limited in such a way, but I believe they use things like angels and guides to communicate with us.
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Gonzo wrote:
datura8 wrote:
What is the art of stalking ? A hunter just hunts, a stalker stalks anything, including himself. An impeccable stalker can turn anything into prey. We can even stalk our own weaknesses. You do it in the same way you stalk prey. You figure out your routines until you know all the doing of your weaknesses and then you come upon them and pick them up like rabbits inside a cage. ~DJ
Gonzo? Is that so? lol
Dat...I spoke to that...it is impossible to stalk yourself.
Gonzo dear, then why would DJ say that you can stalk the self?
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datura8 wrote:Gonzo wrote:
datura8 wrote:
What is the art of stalking ? A hunter just hunts, a stalker stalks anything, including himself. An impeccable stalker can turn anything into prey. We can even stalk our own weaknesses. You do it in the same way you stalk prey. You figure out your routines until you know all the doing of your weaknesses and then you come upon them and pick them up like rabbits inside a cage. ~DJ
Gonzo? Is that so? lol
Dat...I spoke to that...it is impossible to stalk yourself.
Gonzo dear, then why would DJ say that you can stalk the self?
I said earlier it was another dJ scam...er con...take your pick...one of the most clever teachers around.
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Gonzo wrote:
datura8 wrote:
Gonzo wrote:
Dat...I spoke to that...it is impossible to stalk yourself.
Gonzo dear, then why would DJ say that you can stalk the self?
I said earlier it was another dJ scam...er con...take your pick...one of the most clever teachers around.
Okay, fair enough. But let's just say for the sake of argument this was so. If so, why on earth would DJ say you could stalk the self, when you couldn't? He was an impeccable man. So why would he make up something like this? To deceive? To trick warriors into wasting their time?
What would he have to gain by saying such a thing?
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Enchantra wrote:Nu Lang wrote:We don't stalk weakness, at least I don't. I stalk power. Liberation from fixations.
Truth is... stalking, the ordinary kind--for control purposes and to persuade and convince, is done all the time. So its better to do it for empowerment instead. First to see what is goign on with the ordinary stalking, second to be able to remove oneself from its influence (self stalking works for this) and third to help others see what is occurring so they too can be out of its influence and control.I just don't understand how we stalk others to gain power ourselves. (Sorry I am really trying here)
I understand if you say you are hunting power, I do that all the time. That is how I arrived here. Still having a hard time trying to figure out this stalking others thing.
Hey Nu Lang, are you able to move this stuff to the thread you created, so it's all in one spot? Seems confusing to have so many thread on the same thing.
Stalking others is not to gain power. What happens in the regular tonal perceptual areas is where people learn to stalk in the ordinary sense, they get power over which is the control of the others' attentions. Like world leaders have power to act, start wars, mess up the environment simply because people give them power.
Stalking as warriors do release the hold of the tonal arena perceptions and our energy is redeployed, but its not taken from another person. Even DJ, as he was stalking Carlos was also redeploying his own energy that way. He called it sharpening his link with intent.
I would have to move each post here one by one to the other thread, I'm not in the mood to do that
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Nu Lang wrote:Stalking others is not to gain power.
Stalking as warriors do
release the hold of the tonal arena perceptions and our energy is
redeployed, but its not taken from another person. Even DJ, as he was
stalking Carlos was also redeploying his own energy that way. He called
it sharpening his link with intent.
I just still don't get how stalking others releases anything...... OKay so redeploying energy I can get. Sharpening my link with intent I can get, but this idea of stalking another human to do so, I just can't seem to absorb! I have a block!
Are you simply saying that the process of stalking another human shifts the AP to allow for a redeployment of energy? I guess I can see that.
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Enchantra wrote:
Nu Lang wrote:
Stalking others is not to gain power.
Stalking as warriors do release the hold of the tonal arena perceptions and our energy is redeployed, but its not taken from another person. Even DJ, as he was stalking Carlos was also redeploying his own energy that way. He called it sharpening his link with intent.
I just still don't get how stalking others releases anything...... OKay so redeploying energy I can get. Sharpening my link with intent I can get, but this idea of stalking another human to do so, I just can't seem to absorb! I have a block!
Are you simply saying that the process of stalking another human shifts the AP to allow for a redeployment of energy? I guess I can see that.
Huh, interesting comment. I don't see how stalking others could shift my AP.
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Stalking another to help them to release. You must have the proper intent to do this, thus its a win win situation.
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