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datura8 wrote:Enchantra wrote:
Nu Lang wrote:
Stalking others is not to gain power.
Stalking as warriors do release the hold of the tonal arena perceptions and our energy is redeployed, but its not taken from another person. Even DJ, as he was stalking Carlos was also redeploying his own energy that way. He called it sharpening his link with intent.
I just still don't get how stalking others releases anything...... OKay so redeploying energy I can get. Sharpening my link with intent I can get, but this idea of stalking another human to do so, I just can't seem to absorb! I have a block!
Are you simply saying that the process of stalking another human shifts the AP to allow for a redeployment of energy? I guess I can see that.
Huh, interesting comment. I don't see how stalking others could shift my AP.
I am really just grasping at straws here.
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Nu Lang wrote:Stalking another to help them to release. You must have the proper intent to do this, thus its a win win situation. Ok this is what I had originally interpreted it as. I understand this.
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Stalking is form of behaviour in which we act unusually that to overtake the effect of situation, in order to be with the same attitude all the time no matter what situation is. To do this need to minimize the influence of the mind and act at will. Also if our will is to act for Spirit, then with proper mind set we tune to the vibrations of Spirit and let intent transpire through us. This will give us the protection from negative or positive reaction inside and beyond that this is the only one possible behaviour to make us rise over our level of possibilities. Hopefully the outcome of the situation will be stunning and for us and for others.
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Yes, I agree WK, well said.
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RaINbow DIAMOND UNICORN wrote:And it is ART...
so...So patterns are relic, they do not work it is obvious. when bubble of perception is clear, magic influences...
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datura8 wrote:Gonzo wrote:
datura8 wrote:
Gonzo dear, then why would DJ say that you can stalk the self?
I said earlier it was another dJ scam...er con...take your pick...one of the most clever teachers around.
Okay, fair enough. But let's just say for the sake of argument this was so. If so, why on earth would DJ say you could stalk the self, when you couldn't? He was an impeccable man. So why would he make up something like this? To deceive? To trick warriors into wasting their time?
What would he have to gain by saying such a thing?
I suggest you scan the books for the word "trick". Don Juan was quite open about the tricks he pulled on Castaneda, and the reason why is because a direct statement about what he was teaching would have been ignored. In my opinion, that technique is far more impeccable than merely pouring information into an empty head.
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Thanks to everyone who participated here. I have found the answers I was seeking.
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Here's one more for good measure.
"The very first principle of stalking is that a warrior stalks himself,"
he said. "He stalks himself ruthlessly, cunningly, patiently, and
sweetly."
I wanted to laugh, but he did not give me time. Very
succinctly he defined stalking as the art of using behavior in novel
ways for specific purposes. He said that normal human behavior in the
world of everyday life was routine. Any behavior that broke from routine
caused an unusual effect on our total being. That unusual effect was
what sorcerers sought, because it was cumulative.
"The real
challenge for those sorcerer seers," don Juan went on, "was finding a
system of behavior that was neither petty nor capricious, but that
combined the morality and the sense of beauty which differentiates
sorcerer seers from plain witches."
He said that for sorcerers stalking was the foundation on which everything else they did was built.
"Some sorcerers object to the term stalking," he went on, "but the name came about because it entails surreptitious behavior.
"It's
also called the art of stealth, but that term is equally unfortunate.
We ourselves, because of our nonmilitant temperament, call it the art of
controlled folly. You can call it anything you wish. We, however, will
continue with the term stalking since it's so easy to say stalker and,
as my benefactor used to say, so awkward to say controlled folly
maker."
"When the pressure of their connecting link is too great, sorcerers relieve it by stalking themselves."
"I
still don't think I understand what you mean by stalking" I said. "But
at a certain level I think I know exactly what you mean."
"I'll
try to help you clarify what you know, then," he said. "Stalking is a
procedure, a very simple one. Stalking is special behavior that follows
certain principles. It is secretive, furtive, deceptive behavior
designed to deliver a jolt. And, when you stalk yourself you jolt
yourself, using your own behavior in a ruthless, cunning way."
He
explained that when a sorcerer's awareness became bogged down with the
weight of his perceptual input, which was what was happening to me, the
best, or even perhaps the only remedy was to use the idea of death to
deliver that stalking jolt.
"Your problem is very simple," he
said. "You become easily obsessed. I have been telling you that
sorcerers stalk themselves in order to break the power of their
obsessions. There are many ways of stalking oneself. If you don't want
to use the idea of your death, use the poems you read me to stalk
yourself."
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So Entchantra, you hadn't read The Power of Silence?
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White Knight wrote:So Entchantra, you hadn't read The Power of Silence?Sure did. It's been a few years and now I only have the book in PDF format, as I lost my paper copy. Why do you ask?
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asking, because you posted the quotes from TPoS and said that found the answers, as i understood that only now you have read them.
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White Knight wrote:asking, because you posted the quotes from TPoS and said that found the answers, as i understood that only now you have read them.
Sorry if I was unclear. I am asking what others here feel about stalking others. Personally I do not agree with this concept.
I got my answers in dreaming last night, posted some quotes to support that.
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i personally like to stalk my self by watching the movies, that there i find unpleasant reality of main personages daily life- in my view, and then dive back into crazy reality of my self
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Stalking is to deliver a jolt that causes the ap to change position, hence awareness is moved to a new perceptual location.
When your parents yelled at you as a kid, they stalked you, jolted you. When you boss told you you wern't doing a good job and threatened you with reprimand, he was stalking you to perform the way he wanted. When your friend was mad and ignored you for days, they were stalking you. People are affecting you all the time, their actions will jolt you if something in you is to be jolted. Naguals stalk but their motivations are not of self, but for freedom and to help you. I ask, En, what is so bad about that? Everyone else is trying to jolt you and often in a way as to harm your well-being. There is no where on earth you can go and not encounter humans that stalk.
CC defined stalking as warriors due prescribed by his lineage. He did not say there are not other kinds or ways of stalking. Again, the aim of stalking is to deliver a jolt, uphinge the ap, cause it to move. An average man is able to do this as well. Its fortunate warrior have found better ways to stalk then those given to us by our parents.
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The stalkers are the ones who take the brunt of the daily world. They are the business managers, the ones who deal with people. Everything that has to do with the world of ordinary affairs goes through them. The stalkers are the practitioners of controlled folly, just as the dreamers are the practitioners of dreaming. In other words, controlled folly is the basis for stalking, as dreams are the basis for dreaming. Don Juan said that, generally speaking, a warrior's greatest accomplishment in the second attention is dreaming, and in the first attention his greatest accomplishment is stalking.
Don Juan said that his benefactor had taken extra time and care with him and his warriors in everything that pertained to their mastering the art of stalking. He used complex ploys to create an appropriate context for a counterpoint between the dictums of the rule and the behavior of the warriors in the daily world as they interacted with people. He believed that that was the way to convince them that, in the absence of self-importance, a warrior's only way of dealing with the social milieu is in terms of controlled folly.
Don Juan said that the force with which his benefactor carried out his designs originated from his knowledge that the Eagle is real and final, and that what people do is utter folly. The two together gave rise to controlled folly, which don Juan's benefactor described as the only bridge between the folly of people and the finality of the Eagle's dictums.
"Warriors don't have the world to cushion them, so they must have the rule," she went on. "Yet the rule of stalkers applies to everyone.
excerpts from Stalking as described by Carlos Castaneda
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And i just realized...my goal in all this discussion is not to promote stalking others, rather its to inform that stalking others is whats the case all the time, and there are better ways to approach this fact then would be in our conditioned understanding and usage of it. Ways that remove self from the equation, to see inward and outward what is occurring.
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Nu Lang wrote  talking others is whats the case all the time, and there are better ways to approach this fact then would be in our conditioned understanding and usage of it. Ways that remove self from the equation, to see inward and outward what is occurring.
I don't see that.
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You are stalking me. If not you would just stop responding. Such as, maybe you don't agree with what I say here, but if you wished not to stalk that, then you would simply not post.
Don't think I perceive your response as bad. I don't think stalking others is a given negative. I think there are many facets to it, such as a means to get knowledge, or to impart ones knowledge to another.
If one thinks stalking is something way out yonder...that one has to go access and otherwise they are not in any way associated with it, this is simply not true.
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Nu Lang wrote:You are stalking me. If not you would just stop responding. Such as, maybe you don't agree with what I say here, but if you wished not to stalk that, then you would simply not post.
That's my point! If I do not agree, I am stalking myself, not you. I am stalking that within myself which doesn't agree and trying to see why, stalking my beliefs etc. Not stalking you!
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I have to add this bit of dialog from TPoS - someone, somewhere said stalking another ought not be critical of the other, or point out weaknesses.
TPoS wrote:"I'm not that bad, don Juan," I said. My voice sounded surprisingly unnatural to me.
"Oh, yes, you are that bad," he said with a serious expression.
"You are petty, wasteful, opinionated, coercive, short-tempered, conceited. You are morose, ponderous, and ungrateful. You have an inexhaustible capacity for self-indulgence. And worst of all, you have an exalted idea of yourself, with nothing whatever to back it up.
"I could sincerely say that your mere presence makes me feel like vomiting."
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DJs intent of course is quite different from the presentation... Where as if a 'regular' person said those things, they probably meant every word of it and in a not good way (intent).
I think DJ distracted Carlos with words and then the true stalking occurred under the radar. I read those quotes and feel like laughing...especially at the end, seeping with humor!
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Nu Lang wrote:
You are stalking me. If not you would just stop responding. Such as, maybe you don't agree with what I say here, but if you wished not to stalk that, then you would simply not post.
Don't think I perceive your response as bad. I don't think stalking others is a given negative. I think there are many facets to it, such as a means to get knowledge, or to impart ones knowledge to another.
If one thinks stalking is something way out yonder...that one has to go access and otherwise they are not in any way associated with it, this is simply not true.
So now posting is stalking??? Before you said it was disagreeing...make up your mind. Can you see how far you are from anything in CC's books??? Just wondering.
What I am clear on is that you are, for whatever reason, assuming my inquisitiveness has something personal to do with you...and I am clear that it doesn't (at least not from my end). Isn't there a term for that?
Rather than having something to do with you, maybe I am just stalking stalking? Or, maybe I just want to find a clear definition of it. Or, maybe I am stalking the real reason you seem unable to give a clear description of it. Or, maybe I am just trying to find out if this technique has any practical use whatsoever. Indeed, that is probably what I am doing...all of the above.
So...are you going to stop stroking your ego and come up with a description?
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Gonzo wrote:
I have to add this bit of dialog from TPoS - someone, somewhere said stalking another ought not be critical of the other, or point out weaknesses.
TPoS wrote:
"I'm not that bad, don Juan," I said. My voice sounded surprisingly unnatural to me.
"Oh, yes, you are that bad," he said with a serious expression.
"You are petty, wasteful, opinionated, coercive, short-tempered, conceited. You are morose, ponderous, and ungrateful. You have an inexhaustible capacity for self-indulgence. And worst of all, you have an exalted idea of yourself, with nothing whatever to back it up.
"I could sincerely say that your mere presence makes me feel like vomiting."
So where in the books does it call this "stalking"???
Btw, I do believe that DJ did call something stalking...just not this.
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Sedna...I don't see stalking as bad. Its an art after all. I myself have always been a stalker by nature.
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Nu Lang wrote:Sedna...I don't see stalking as bad. Its an art after all. I myself have always been a stalker by nature.
Yes, you definitely have that right. Stalking is an Art.
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