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Interestingly enough Castaneda was, in saying this, inadvertently pitching for the flyers! He was
not free from them, it seems.
As Toltechie says, flyers don't do squat for us... they only feed on us by making us dull and stupid. Any REAL person will tell you that a fully aware
being is far more capable of adaptation and creativity than the average flyer-ridden man.
We were in caves with flyers! They are dull
predators, not agents of evolutionary intelligence. They know their game, but that's
all.
We don't make cows and chickens more clever by breeding and eating them, do we?
Castaneda, once again, is showing us how full of **** he is. Thank God that he transcribed Don Juan
more than his own bullshit.
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The flyers are non-organic entities that inhabit our world since life began on it. They make their way into our bodies and minds. They are the creators of the
internal dialogue in humans. For that reason many believe they are helpful in the human species development. Once a person rids of themselves of them, they
usually continue the internal dialogue and will fall victim to their past indulgences.
Imagine not thinking in such a way in your mind. Not "talking" in your mind. Hi gang
just thinking about the FI and wondering if any of you have rid yourself of it? Wolf?
What does it feel like?
Is it scary?
Does it feel like a re-birth?
i ask because i dont want to loose my mind.... LOL...life is tough as it is with the FI already (ahhh maybe my question in answered in my question)
Just want to be prepared if i go into inner silence and see it and then through time get rid of it.
what are we left with in the sense of cognition and reason? Docta writes the above post: To rid oneself of the FI is like having a tremendous weight lifted off
your personal power. One's connection with the universe becomes much deeper and richer. One's relationship with their fellow man becomes parted by a
well of sadness for them. In a definite way it is truly a Rebirth. One is left with a choice to keep the dialogue or lose it. I have done both over the years.
One feels their coat of awareness grow..the growth depends on the damage done and the individual.
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The flyers once rooted into the human's brain are called the "foreign installation". Flyers can be seen in their natural form by those who are
aware of them and can change their perception to "see" them. Flyers not in humans are often seen in trees and higher elevations because they can
"float" or "fly" and will guide from higher points to congregate in groups much like birds do in trees. Flyers are called that for this
reason. They look like manta rays but have no eyes. They move sideways easily and can feed off a human without being inside them. Once inside a human they eat
the human's coat of energy. This coat is like a outer invisible skin which acts as a conduit between the human and the outer world's influence.
The flyer once installed begins to affect the human's way of thinking. The flyers created society and its rules. The flyer is there because of an agreement
between it and its host. This agreement is made at a very young age of the human. Flyers can and do live in several hosts during their existence.
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Nagual LoneWolf wrote:
The flyers are non-organic entities that inhabit our world since life began on it. They make their way into our bodies and minds. They are the creators of
the internal dialogue in humans. For that reason many believe they are helpful in the human species development. Once a person rids of themselves of them,
they usually continue the internal dialogue and will fall victim to their past indulgences.
I called this fenomenon in one post (long ago) the residual self-image (like in the movie "The Matrix"). A number of people beat the
flyer but they seem unable (even unwilling) to fully embrace their new reality and permanently drop that frame of thought-conduct inspired by flyer-ridden
fellow men.
One is not flyer-ridden, but is flyer-minded... and with power! That's not good... it's
down right dangerous. A flyer-minded person is not fit to deal with power. Black magic is a lot
more pernicious than normalcy. It has the power to destroy you rapidly.
Normalcy IS black magic. Right, wrong... bullshit... whatever is being done is a step away from freedom and reality. You are always in
the dark, no matter what you are doing.
Still... normalcy is a far less dangerous black magic than sorcery. You can screw up... you suffer psychically and physically... but a screw up with power is
very costly.
It's like stepping on **** and diving in a pool of ****.
Sorry for being so graphical about it.
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Grand is correct as usual..once one has conquered the flyer they are imbedded with power. Still having the flyer indulgence, can make a formidable sorcerer who
is dangerous to himself and others. One of the reasons the old seers went off the deep end into worlds below the spectrum of man and into the darkness of lower
assemblage points were their unchanged intent once they gained back the energy that was lost to the flyer(s).
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toltechie wrote:
Seeitall wrote:
> "In exchange for our energy, the flyers have given us our mind, our attachments, and our ego...blah...blah...
Common, Seeitall. Cite your sources- You wanna be a mental slave and F.I. pasty all your life?
The source of these passages, for those of you less familiar with the real works of Castaneda is "Encounters with the Nagual by Armando Torres"
Wouldn't want anyone to get this Don Wannabe's prose mixed up with the real thing.
"For them, we are not their slaves, but a kind of salaried workers. They bestowed these
privileges on a primitive race and gave us the gift of thinking, which made us evolve; indeed,
they have civilized us. If not for them, we would still be hiding in caves or making nests on
treetops."
This false Nagual gives great assistance to the mind parasite by slandering human origins so horrifically. But wait there's alot more bullshit there! -
I'll leave it up to you all to do the homework. It makes for a wonderful study of how the mind parasite would like us awakening warriors to fall back to
sleep about it. Our relationship with the mind parasite is not beneficial in any way, except to challenge us to become strong willed and savvy enough to get
rid of it. It exploits the same devices as allies exclusively against our better interests and the relationship it develops with us only hinders our true
potential. I have a strong hunch that once we were free of such interference and quite advanced.
Peace,
Toltechie
how much self importance is required so that you take it as
an offense to human race ? Oh no, we were wonderful
race once, now I can feel better
I posted this and I was expecting disagreement, but
meaningful. Instead I hear **** (again) about false naguals
and Castaneda being an ****.
The only neutral/helpful reaction is from Wolf.
I do not know much about Armando, but his book is great,
anyone interested can find and download it on internet.
Now the burning question - can they feed on positive emotions ?
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Emotions are (by definition) energy-in-motion. Castaneda seems to think that flyers can feed on anything.
If we think about it a little we could say that it's true. For instance: You love someone. That's fine and dandy... no harm there, BUT if you love
someone in an obsessive manner you become an attention-energy parasite, to feed the parasite within
yourself.
Perhaps the key here is not emotion... but unbalanced emotion. Energy coming from sexual desire, love, fear, anxiety,
pride, ambition, attachment,etc in an unbalanced way seems to be the flyer's diet.
If it doesn't eat it from within you, it can eat it from outside you and even from third parties around you.
As for the Castanedian issue, I just concurred with Toltechie in saying that Castaneda arrived to the wrong conclusions.
Seeing is objective, explaining what is perceived is highly subjective, specially among immature seers.
A lot of people presume seer-ship... and they really do see, but they interpret what they see in the
stupidest of ways.
You won't hear nor read many seers saying: I saw light, an scenario, this and that happened, a bubble of tread-like energy glowing green, etc...
You will hear a LOT of seers saying: You are
an **** and your energy body is screwed. I saw it!
Seer-ship gives us objective perception... but not the wisdom and sobriety to handle it and interpret it correctly. That takes time, study and experience.
Castaneda was not in a place of wisdom. Presuming and speculating things is not of shamans (LOL).
A great seer can actually see the past and see if flyers did or did not help in the development of human rationality,
but even that is unnecessary. At plain sight they seem extremely dull.
They loan us THEIR mind, remember? They are a superficial problem, if you ask me.
Ego/Self-Importance runs much more deeper.
That's what I'm saying. There is an abysmal difference between an imbecile seer and a shaman (one who knows). Examples are far to abundant.
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Nagual LoneWolf wrote:
The flyers once rooted into the human's brain are called the "foreign installation". Flyers can be seen in their natural form by those who are
aware of them and can change their perception to "see" them. Flyers not in humans are often seen in trees and higher elevations because they can
"float" or "fly" and will guide from higher points to congregate in groups much like birds do in trees. Flyers are called that for this
reason. They look like manta rays but have no eyes. They move sideways easily and can feed off a human without being inside them. Once inside a human they
eat the human's coat of energy. This coat is like a outer invisible skin which acts as a conduit between the human and the outer world's influence.
The flyer once installed begins to affect the human's way of thinking. The flyers created society and its rules. The flyer is there because of an
agreement between it and its host. This agreement is made at a very young age of the human. Flyers can and do live in several hosts during their existence.
Yikes Wolf !
That is pretty F___ing freaky man!
Welll i will continue to learn and to use my will no matter what freaky things come around.
Thanks Wolf
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Just a note to you...one of the reasons we like music is because it silences the internal dialogue and replaces it in the mind or helps too.
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Docta said,
> Like i said still confussed about the FI concept..... or is it a religion
Put down that drum for awhile and do your own homework. Did you pay attention to anything I said about Seeitall's tragic choice in literature? Sorry Docta,
but it's clear you haven't availed yourself of the information on this site. I would be happy, however, to field a more educated question from you in
the future.
Peace,
Toltechie
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grandspeculator wrote:
> Interestingly enough Castaneda was, in saying this, inadvertently pitching for the flyers! He
was not free from them, it seems.
Gee thanks for all the agreeing you did with me, but my point was that Castaneda did not write the bullshit that Seeitall just posted. Castaneda was not full
of bull. He gave us an honest account of some important Toltec teachings. He was indeed a flawed human being with his own **** to work out. I think he made
some poor choices in writing style which have now rendered his works a classification of science fiction and fantasy, and that's too bad. I however, trust
my personal power for ferreting out truth and the teachings of Don Juan register high with my inner truth thermometer. For those of you who would like to
peruse more responsable renderings of legitimate and ancient Toltec philosophy, I recommend the writings of Théun Mares, starting with Shadows of Wolf Fire:
The Toltec Teachings. Even there, all you have is another wrtier on his own trip and nothing is perfect - to date, Mares has not written a thing regarding the
Foreign Installation.
Peace,
Toltechie
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Lone Wolf wrote:
> The flyers are non-organic entities that inhabit our world since life began on it.
I disagree Wolf. In my humble opinion, we had a life long ago unmolested by the mind parasite. And they are not naturally a part of non-organic life on this
planet, but interlopers from another dimension and place. Your views definitely diverge from Don Juan's dissertations. But then again - what do I know. I
still have my F.I. and you have proclaimed yours gone.
I see from the rest of your postings that you are in sympathy with much of Armando Torres' viewpoints. We all have our tastes in literature. Mine are for
less deceptive texts.
Peace,
Toltechie
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Seeitall wrote:
> how much self importance is required so that you take it as
an offense to human race ? Oh no, we were wonderful
race once, now I can feel better.
Regardless of how you feel, Seeitall, there was no emotion in my observation that Armando Torres is slandering the truth about our relationship and history
with the foreign installation.
> I posted this and I was expecting disagreement, but
meaningful. Instead I hear **** (again) about false naguals
and Castaneda being an ****.
You open yourself to criticism by posting such passages without citing their origin. Whether you intended it or not, that was a deceptive maneuver in a forum
where Castaneda's texts are assumed to be the source if not stated otherwise.
I was making sure no one mixes it up with things Don Juan was quoted as saying by Carlos Castaneda, which I do find legitimate. And if you were looking for
disagreements with Armando Torres' writings - rejoice I'm in the choir.
Peace,
Toltechie
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toltechie wrote:
grandspeculator wrote:
> Interestingly enough Castaneda was, in saying this, inadvertently pitching for the flyers!
He was not free from them, it seems.
Gee thanks for all the agreeing you did with me, but my point was that Castaneda did not write the bullshit that Seeitall just posted. Castaneda was not full
of bull. He gave us an honest account of some important Toltec teachings.
Are you saying that Armando got imaginative in his book? It's unlikely, but everything can happen. As for other books on toltec shamanism... I
honestly don't know a full blown author.
One has to take of them whatever is useful to create a working discipline and then reach his own conclusions. For me nagual seership is a secundary path. Extremely useful as a bridge
and basis between superconsciousness and normalcy, but incomplete. That's only because I aspire to yogic
enlightenment.
For me reaching the totality of oneself is becoming human (magical, conected with the surrounding universe, etc). Enlightenment is becoming superhuman (beyond
human). Normals are aberrated subhumans.
As for the books, every time I read Castaneda's books I deliverately ignore what Castaneda
says. I take Don Juan's word. He was, in old age, sober and imppecable.
In the case of Armando's book I can't do that, because he is taking Carlos's word on nagualism, witch is not all bullshit, but has plenty of it for reasons explained above.
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Hi Guys,
I get confused about the flyer myself. I want to know what you guys do to rid yourself of this energy eater. I am curious that in all this verbal sparring that
you are doing with each other, there is not a mention of what it is you do yourselves to rid yourselves of it.
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offlineartwarrior.parallelperception wrote:
> I get confused about the flyer myself.
I'm not surprised. Our mind parasites deploy a huge repertoire of diversions to throw at a host who is becoming aware of them. But specifically, how are
you confused?
> I want to know what you guys do to rid yourself of this energy eater.
I can't speak for anyone else, but here are some of my practices. They're very interrelated:
Vigilance, becoming more consciously aware of its activities - when it's causing things to happen, rather than me.
Mental Discipline - Anything practiced in the yogas, like concentration, but especially, practicing silence - i.e., attempting to turn off all thought for a
period. In the trenches of daily experience, however, the vigilant practitioner will find an opportunity in every moment to discipline themselves mentally to
recognize and resist the impulses originating from their mental predator.
Self - Inquiry: Ask your own self BTW, what do to get rid of your F.I. Crocosuarius recently made an excellent post expounding this practice in a reply to
Docta Lee about "where to start". The sage Sri Ramana Maharshi called Self-Inquiry "Atma-vicara" and the "Direct Path" of
enlightenment - a yogic alternative to the Raja, Juanani and Bahkti paths. Thus implying sincere self inquiry creates a conscious link with one's personal
spiritual essence and ultimately, the true and only Self/Atma. You can read his little book on the subject: online http://www.realization.or...e/topics/self_inquiry.htm
Don Juan discussed practical approaches briefly in Castaneda's quintessential Mud Shadows chapter in Active Side of Infinity. His main admonition was to
practice discipline - I've just discussed some of the mental practices above. One interesting approach was to cultivate one's real mind. I have
interpreted this as the act of listening to the still small voice from within and focusing on the conscious impulses that originate from the heart center. I
have worked on and made progress in this pursuit, but cannot adequately verbalize the qualities of the real mind for others, nor specific techniques. It's
a matter of working at it regularly and becoming more aware of what's there.
I think it's worth mentioning that I see , in the order of teachings which Don Juan presented in Castaneda's books, a deliberately graduated
curriculum. The very last dissertation Don Juan gave was about the Foreign Installation and in it he very explicitly stated that he was exposing the capstone
subject which all his other instructions were leading up to. Therefore, it naturally falls that all the practices he illustrated throughout the series are
practical exercises in getting rid of one's F.I.
> I am curious that in all this verbal sparring that you are doing with each other, there is not a mention of what it is you do yourselves to rid yourselves
of it.
Honestly, that's not very observant of you. It hasn't even been a month since I posted a practical dissertation entitled "Don't shoot yourself
in the foot". Croco posted that juicy one I just mentioned. So your conclusion falls from not doing your homework adequately - read more of these posts,
especially the older ones. Check out the installments of my paper "Encounters with the Foreign Installation", and other dissertations on this forum.
Also, don't knock verbal sparring as a practical method for discovering the modus opperandi of the Foreign Installation in yourself and others. This is a
very useful practice in *Stalking*! It is one which my friend J uses constantly and relentlessly. Every time I talk to him, which is usually in an email, he
minutely picks apart everything I say. Sometimes he replies me meticulous, line-by-line annotations, to illustrate his "proofs" of my own F.I.'s
constant presence and interferences. He can be downright brutal about it, or so it seems at times. But damned if after my irrational whimpering about it
subsides, it hasn't facilitated in me, substantial insights. (He's going to kick my ass if/when he sees this, and measure out for me in exact terms,
how little of his drift I've actually caught onto over the years, but oh well...there it is.)
Peace,
Toltechie
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grandspeculator wrote:
> Are you saying that Armando got imaginative in his book?
Spot on. I think much of his "insights" were imagined, not based on first-hand knowledge. But let's give him credit - being a believable Don Juan
mimic is something one truly has to work hard at - perhaps he's available to entertain your next party or wedding reception
> As for other books on toltec shamanism... I honestly don't know a full blown author.
I mentioned one in my very last post in this thread to you. Check out the writings of Theun Mares. In my humble opinion, he's a very sober warrior indeed,
and helps render clarity to many things Castaneda left unclear.
> One has to take of them whatever is useful to create a working discipline and then reach his own conclusions.
Yes, take the pearl and leave the oyster. But let us also remember the old Chinese adage "It is better to reject 10,000 truths than accept one lie."
> For me nagual seership is a secundary path. Extremely useful as a bridge and basis between superconsciousness and normalcy, but incomplete. That's only
because I aspire to yogic enlightenment.
You're not talking to someone whose new to the Yogas. Tell me truly - do you think there really is a specific brand of enlightenment which is exclusively
"Yogic"? I think not - enlightenment is a universal phenominon which is a state of consciousness that is a latent faculty in all human beings - a
state which to some fortunate individuals is not mysterious, but natural and yes - common. It is our mind parasite which helps us portray such as abstract,
technical, complicated, mysterious - unattainable.
> For me reaching the totality of oneself is becoming human (magical, conected with the surrounding universe, etc).
If you stop here - I wholeheartedly agree.
> Enlightenment is becoming superhuman (beyond human).
You're really contradicting yourslef here. I think it will be found that it's quite naturally human to function spiritually. Enlightenment is merely a
relative degree of it.
> Normals are aberrated subhumans.
Yes! We spend most of our time functioning on the level of intelligent animals, rather than realizing our spiritual human heritage.
> As for the books, every time I read Castaneda's books I deliverately ignore what Castaneda
says. I take Don Juan's word. He was, in old age, sober and imppecable.
Me too, pretty much. Castaneda remains, however, an exceptional warrior despite his shortcomings. One only needs to recount his bold accomplishments.
> In the case of Armando's book I can't do that, because he is taking Carlos's word on nagualism, witch is not all bullshit, but has plenty of it for reasons explained above.
Yes, there is definitely a mistaken emphasis on the cult of personality going on here, rather than the truths of perennial teachings.
Peace,
Toltechie
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Lone Wolf wrote:
> Just a note to you...one of the reasons we like music is because it silences the internal dialogue and replaces it in the mind or helps too.
I suppose you could have something here Wolf - if one intentionally uses music - and it doesn't end up using you like so:
Your F.I. uses music like any other thought sounds as internal dialogue, to keep your mind from reaching silence. Yes that torturous commercial jingle,
relentlessly playing in your head all day long, since you first heard it when your alarm clock radio went off this morning. And does it get rid of the internal
dialogue? - no, but it sure fills the silence gaps for your F.I.
Mantra - deliberately used, is perhaps better.
Peace,
Toltechie
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toltechie wrote:
Seeitall wrote:
> how much self importance is required so that you take it as
an offense to human race ? Oh no, we were wonderful
race once, now I can feel better.
Regardless of how you feel, Seeitall, there was no emotion in my observation that Armando Torres is slandering the truth about our relationship and history
with the foreign installation.
IMO, self importance runs much deeper than emotions.
Don't you think
that the opinion you present is more denigrating to human race that the one
presented by Tores ? A super advanced human race being dumbed down by
dumb dull flying mantas ? How much more pathetic that could be ?
I was simply surprised why you did pick on such "non issue" statement
and made an issue from it. When I read that statement first time, I took it
as pure IRONY from Tores or Castaneda or who ever originally said that.
I think he is not saying that we should be thankful for being civilized, but that we
have to cancel it.
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toltechie wrote:
I mentioned one in my very last post in this thread to you. Check out the writings of Theun Mares. In my humble opinion, he's a very sober warrior
indeed, and helps render clarity to many things Castaneda left unclear.
> For me nagual seership is a secundary path. Extremely useful as a bridge and basis between superconsciousness and normalcy, but incomplete. That's only
because I aspire to yogic enlightenment.
You're not talking to someone whose new to the Yogas. Tell me truly - do you think there really is a specific brand of enlightenment which is exclusively
"Yogic"? I think not - enlightenment is a universal phenominon which is a state of consciousness that is a latent faculty in all human beings - a
state which to some fortunate individuals is not mysterious, but natural and yes - common. It is our mind parasite which helps us portray such as abstract,
technical, complicated, mysterious - unattainable.
> Enlightenment is becoming superhuman (beyond human).
You're really contradicting yourslef here. I think it will be found that it's quite naturally human to function spiritually. Enlightenment is merely
a relative degree of it.
Theun Mares is probably a good warrior, good hearted nagual and author but it's not, from what I see, a full blown version of a nagual. I
could and do say the same about Lujan Matus. What's the problem? Even if good-hearted and impeccable they have cultish tendencies. That's not a sign of
full blown development, but that doesn't mean that they are liars and what they are saying is wrong. Not at all. I'm just saying: They don't cut it
for me.
Yogic enlightenment (or any full blown version of enlightenment) is not a common occurrence in this
planet. It's a natural development that will come to everyone sooner or later, but most of us will have it much, much later. Why? Self-Importance, Lazyness... you name it. Thuth be told the bast majority of the "teachers and gurus" are far from
definite enlightenment. They see some lights and rapidly start selling themselves. They go astray
with an intermediate development... even with very basic ones. There are to many gullible individuals to exploit and they can't resist.
That's why I value nagualism, because it's more "easy" to grasp. Developing the second attention is an excellent base for the rest of the
road.
What am I saying? It's hard to do simple things to become simple. We have the aberrative
accumulation of a lot of past lives. We are extremely twisted. It takes a number of them the change
the tide and many more to break all the barriers. Possible in one life? Certainly... but it's very rare to find one individual so devoted to the path and
willful.
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toltechie wrote:
Docta said,
> Like i said still confussed about the FI concept..... or is it a religion
Put down that drum for awhile and do your own homework. Did you pay attention to anything I said about Seeitall's tragic choice in literature?
My choice in literature is tragic indeed. When I tell somebody I like Castaneda
first they laugh at me, then they try to put me to crazy house. I have to find something
more mainstream.
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seeitall wrote:
toltechie wrote:
Docta said,
> Like i said still confussed about the FI concept..... or is it a religion
Put down that drum for awhile and do your own homework. Did you pay attention to anything I said about Seeitall's tragic choice in literature?
My choice in literature is tragic indeed. When I tell somebody I like Castaneda
first they laugh at me, then they try to put me to crazy house. I have to find something
more mainstream.
Just don't go explaining yourself to the rest of the world. Be unknown! That way the fuckers won't be able to tell you
****!
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artwarrior wrote:
Hi Guys,
I get confused about the flyer myself. I want to know what you guys do to rid yourself of this energy eater. I am curious that in all this verbal sparring
that you are doing with each other, there is not a mention of what it is you do yourselves to rid yourselves of it.
Hiya Artwarrior.
Sorry, didn't see your post. My solution is fairly simple: Meditation, silent awareness,
recapitulation and dissolution of self-importance.
The flyer can only affect your energy double, your bioenergetical thinking. If you "empty" that long enough the natural coat that protects you from
the flyer (and other subtle currents of external influences) grows back. The rest is the all-to-familiar nagual discipline. Recapitulation is very important.
Flyers use personal history to provoke reactive thinking and behaviour.
If you don't have history and remain in permanent silent awareness they can only work your self-importance.
toltechie wrote:
Mental Discipline - Anything practiced in the yogas, like concentration, but especially, practicing silence - i.e., attempting to turn off all thought for a
period. In the trenches of daily experience, however, the vigilant practitioner will find an opportunity in every moment to discipline themselves mentally to
recognize and resist the impulses originating from their mental predator.
Self - Inquiry: Ask your own self BTW, what do to get rid of your F.I. Crocosuarius recently made an excellent post expounding this practice in a reply to
Docta Lee about "where to start". The sage Sri Ramana Maharshi called Self-Inquiry "Atma-vicara" and the "Direct Path" of
enlightenment - a yogic alternative to the Raja, Juanani and Bahkti paths. Thus implying sincere self inquiry creates a conscious link with one's
personal spiritual essence and ultimately, the true and only Self/Atma. You can read his little book on the subject: online http://www.realization.or...e/topics/self_inquiry.htm
I would add to toltechie suggestion on self-inquiry that Yoga Nidra is a great complement to everything
mentioned.
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Hi everyone,
I admit that I have not done my homework, I tend to get involved in a few posts and read them through, then respond impulsively. I do have a friend that picks
apart everything I used to say/write, I found it exasperating, and just downright hard to connect to him, but it has at times pushed me to be more careful,
edited even, when I interact with him. Maybe thats good, but when you are trying to connect and open your heart center, it just seems kinda borrish. Toltechie,
thanks for letting me know what you practice to deal with the FI, the dreaded flyer, and it let's me know that I am on the same sort of path as well. I
practice meditation, self/inquiry and the who am I.. a la Sri Ramana Marharshi, as well as Taoist based breathwork from Mantak Chia's work, the Microcosmic
Orbit. I don't care for Tensegrity as I perfer yoga and get better results, and I am questioning the recapitulation, is it really valid? Thanks as well
Grandspeculator, I will look into the yoga Nidra as I am not familar with it.
I am confused about the flyer because of my background....I was a psychology major before the art thing and also focused on Carl Jungs work(and did the
analysis thing) and studied it for a long time, so I have at the base of everything a stucture of the psyche and ego from that. I was way into Tibetan Buddhism
after that and during, this is another way I think. Then I steeped myself in Castaneda's work, and I was aware that he had many detractors, and have read a
good deal from Sustained's website, but I always held off reading Amy Wallace's book, now I am in the middle of it and my bubble is bursting, I am
floating to the ground, and I am feeling ...well just bitchy, it has overtaken my mood. (I think because I hate the whole cult thing) I am also feeling more
grounded than ever, this has led me to see how I have compartmentalized all these teachings, and I am just trying to put it all together. I feel a tremdous
urge to combine these three teachings, and the flyer is confusing to me because I am trying to put it in its place, is it the ego, is it inside of us or
outside, etc...that is my confusion among many at this restructuring time. I am just glad that I am intuitive enough to be doing the same sort of practices
that you guys do. Also, since reading the Amy Wallace book, and having a huge resistance to the recapitulation, I am wondering if this is a valid teaching, or
some of his abberated personality, I just don't see it in anyone elses teachings.
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artwarrior wrote:
Hi everyone,
I admit that I have not done my homework, I tend to get involved in a few posts and read them through, then respond impulsively. I do have a friend that
picks apart everything I used to say/write, I found it exasperating, and just downright hard to connect to him, but it has at times pushed me to be more
careful, edited even, when I interact with him. Maybe thats good, but when you are trying to connect and open your heart center, it just seems kinda borrish.
Toltechie, thanks for letting me know what you practice to deal with the FI, the dreaded flyer, and it let's me know that I am on the same sort of path
as well. I practice meditation, self/inquiry and the who am I.. a la Sri Ramana Marharshi, as well as Taoist based breathwork from Mantak Chia's work,
the Microcosmic Orbit. I don't care for Tensegrity as I perfer yoga and get better results, and I am questioning the recapitulation, is it really valid?
Thanks as well Grandspeculator, I will look into the yoga Nidra as I am not familar with it.
I am confused about the flyer because of my background....I was a psychology major before the art thing and also focused on Carl Jungs work(and did the
analysis thing) and studied it for a long time, so I have at the base of everything a stucture of the psyche and ego from that. I was way into Tibetan
Buddhism after that and during, this is another way I think. Then I steeped myself in Castaneda's work, and I was aware that he had many detractors, and
have read a good deal from Sustained's website, but I always held off reading Amy Wallace's book, now I am in the middle of it and my bubble is
bursting, I am floating to the ground, and I am feeling ...well just bitchy, it has overtaken my mood. (I think because I hate the whole cult thing) I am
also feeling more grounded than ever, this has led me to see how I have compartmentalized all these teachings, and I am just trying to put it all together. I
feel a tremdous urge to combine these three teachings, and the flyer is confusing to me because I am trying to put it in its place, is it the ego, is it
inside of us or outside, etc...that is my confusion among many at this restructuring time. I am just glad that I am intuitive enough to be doing the same
sort of practices that you guys do. Also, since reading the Amy Wallace book, and having a huge resistance to the recapitulation, I am wondering if this is a
valid teaching, or some of his abberated personality, I just don't see it in anyone elses teachings.
Artwarrior
Hi Artwarrior.
You are on solid ground. Kudos for that. I'll suggest you further, since you are open to it:
1. Add to your microcosmic orbit mantras (aka kriya yoga). It's more powerful in that way. Any mantra that
resonates with you will do: For instance: Om Namah Shivaya.
Om Namah up the spine... Shivaya down the front... followed by meditation. More detailed info in Ennio Nimis's book. Learn about it here: http://sorcery.yuku.com/topic/1565
2. Yoga Nidra is Dream Yoga or Yoga by means of Sleep. I wrote a post about it here, with a free guided (basic) yoga
nidra session: http://sorcery.yuku.com/topic/1627
3. I read somewhere that you had sporadic connections with Ramana Maharshi, am I right? Suggestion? Love him... intend
loving him. Love will bring you closer to him.
4. Recapitulation is very valid and necessary... but unpleasant. To understand it better you could read Dianetics, by
Hubbard (founder of Scientology). A more... pleasant approach are the Soul Star Techniques: http://www.soul1.org
5. As a final note I recommend a method of basic meditation that I see extremely effective to fix the issue of inner dialogue, by Aurobindo: http://sorcery.yuku.com/topic/1632
There are no satisfactory explanations really... only ways to know. I'm sure that you will do fine, if you intend it.
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