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Seeitall wrote:
> IMO, self importance runs much deeper than emotions.
IMHO, it is emotionally based, though subtle. But can you be more specific? You've obviously had it on your mind lately. What have you come up with?
I freely admit to having self importance which I contend with. I think most of the people who frequent this forum contend with it too. I'm always
interested in stalking it, even when being called to task by someone calling themselves "Seeitall", sporting the title "Warrior" and a
showy logo befitting a Pink Floyd album, LOL! Honestly, I do love your artwork - really cool! BTW, what's the mouse-over, "Seeitall's Avatar"
all about?
> Don't you think
Thanks - I actively try not to as a regular exercise Interesting configuration of words you chose to leave by themselves. Do you have a reason why? Seems to
me it's language aimed at eliciting a desired response.
> that the opinion you present is more denigrating to human race that the one
presented by Tores?
Honestly, I'm regretting the language I used. The gist I was trying to get across would have been better served if I had said: Tores is slandering *the
truth* about our relationship and history with the F.I., - not slandering/denigrating the human race per se.
> A super advanced human race
Quite and Super are not synonyms in my dictionary. Quit putting words in my mouth.
> being dumbed down
Yes, I do believe that the mind parasite engages in a constant campaign to dumb us all down, and gimp our natural spiritual faculties. And people like Tores,
and yes, Lujan Matus (how much self importance went into picking that name?) and even a few of our erudite sounding forum participants, act as unwitting
propagandists by so confidently expounding erroneous attributes to the F.I.
> by dumb dull flying mantas ? How much more pathetic that could be ?
I don't think the flyers are "dumb dull flying mantas" nor have I ever promulgated such an opinion. I think it's a *serious* mistake that
some forum participants entertain the notion that they are just common stupid parasites that merely present a minor nuisance to novices. IMHO, they exert close
to complete control over most of their hosts. I did call their taste in culture "dumb-assed", but remember: it's us human beings that are acting
it all out for them.
That you make them out as "dumb dull flying mantas" really does denigrate the human race, which is tightly under their control and influence.
>I was simply surprised
I'm not surprised. If you deliberated more carefully, before jumping into such challenges, you might not be so "simply surprised."
> why you did pick on such "non issue" statement
and made an issue from it.
I made an issue out of something that I deem very important - the mistaken notion that the mind parasite is a valid ally, which forms a beneficial relationship
with us.
> "In exchange for our energy, the flyers have given us"
…Absolutely nothing beneficial. And by saying we couldn't attain such on our own, disempowers us.
> our mind,
Bullshit. We already have one. They substitute ours for a phony, cheap counterfeit.
> For them, we are not their slaves,
The mind parasite invades us. It may exploit the same devices allies use to contact us, but it never allows us a choice in the matter, not even knowledge that
we are being approached by another entity. It stalks us covertly when we are most vulnerable - small children, unformed, psychologically. It influences us
through our parents, already its slaves, whom we are completely dependent on at the time. Real allies only approach adult, spiritually awakening persons. And
whether or not we actually benefit from the relationship, they at least respect us with a formal, conscious proposal.
> but a kind of salaried workers. They bestowed these
privileges on a primitive race and gave us the gift of thinking, which made us evolve; indeed,
Dream on Tores! They have not done anything but turn us into reliable feed bags which they don't allow to become too precocious to manage.
We don't know our real history on this planet, which I believe extends back tens of thousands of years post living in trees and caves. The mind parasite
has simply caused us to lose track of it, and has substituted such for what we can actually account now. But I tire of doing other people's homework. I
won't keep indulging you on this Seeitall.
Peace out,
Toltechie
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toltechie wrote:
> being dumbed down
Yes, I do believe that the mind parasite engages in a constant campaign to dumb us all down, and gimp our natural spiritual faculties. And people like Tores,
and yes, Lujan Matus (how much self importance went into picking that name?) and even a few of our erudite sounding forum participants, act as unwitting
propagandists by so confidently expounding erroneous attributes to the F.I.
I think you are refering to me here (erudite sounding... charming!). Torres, Lujan Matus, Theon and all the rest of the brady bunch on the new age nagual
seership arena are doing marginally a good job. It's better a somewhat incomplete, semi-correct
knowledge than no knowledge at all.
People who has "the truth by the balls" I know very few. And most of them don't write
books nor have open centers and workshops. They are so impeccable that they practically don't exist.
If you want to deny 10.000 things just to avoid touching even one ounce of bullshit, that is swell... but start in your own mind. "Who is defending his beliefs? Me? Who am I?"
Of course is easier to fight over the web for almost irrelevant subjects such as what the flyers are acording to every fella we know and our personal
conception of it. Ironically that is what the flyer wants!
For me they are just an opportunistic inorganic being. They need an opening to screw us. We
stupidly provide it. They are smart as predators, but dull as beings with awareness.
A little sustained discipline and they are gone. The big deal is to convince the lazy, self-important, flyer-ridden
asses to actually do what needs to be done to shake them off.
So... why making such a big deal about the details? In the end, unless you actually see them and stalk them you are
just repeating the worlds of somebody else.
A nagual has no points to defend. Defending a "truth", even a nagual truth, is a waste of energy. I don't presume to have the truth. I do sound
erudite because I toke the trouble of refining my knowledge to have an extremely flexible, pragmatical and powerful way to walk on.
The rest is walk. I talk to point out useful things, not to presume mastery nor to sell myself, nor to push some "truth" of a third party.
Now... are you going to take this as a friendly suggestion... or you are going to try to drag me into an endless, useless discussion?
Stalking is about breaking dull routines. If once does what one always does, the AP doesn't move an inch.
How about we all break THIS routine and do something
constructive for a change?
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"I disagree Wolf. In my humble opinion, we had a life long ago unmolested by the mind parasite. And they are not naturally a part of non-organic life on
this planet, but interlopers from another dimension and place. Your views definitely diverge from Don Juan's dissertations. But then again - what do I
know. I still have my F.I. and you have proclaimed yours gone.
I see from the rest of your postings that you are in sympathy with much of Armando Torres' viewpoints. We all have our tastes in literature. Mine are for
less deceptive texts". -Toltechie
Just to answer-You say their from another dimension which then I would ask you to say more and why you think this Brother.
As for Torres the author..I have never read anything he has written and am unaware of him.
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Grandspeculator wrote:
Hi Artwarrior.
You are on solid ground. Kudos for that. I'll suggest you further, since you are open to it:
1. Add to your microcosmic orbit mantras (aka kriya yoga). It's more powerful in that way. Any mantra that resonates with you will do: For instance: Om
Namah Shivaya.
Om Namah up the spine... Shivaya down the front... followed by meditation. More detailed info in Ennio Nimis's book. Learn about it here: http://sorcery.yuku.com/topic/1565
2. Yoga Nidra is Dream Yoga or Yoga by means of Sleep. I wrote a post about it here, with a free guided (basic) yoga nidra session: http://sorcery.yuku.com/topic/1627
3. I read somewhere that you had sporadic connections with Ramana Maharshi, am I right? Suggestion? Love him... intend loving him. Love will bring you closer
to him.
4. Recapitulation is very valid and necessary... but unpleasant. To understand it better you could read Dianetics, by Hubbard (founder of Scientology). A
more... pleasant approach are the Soul Star Techniques: http://www.soul1.org
5. As a final note I recommend a method of basic meditation that I see extremely effective to fix the issue of inner dialogue, by Aurobindo: http://sorcery.yuku.com/topic/1632
There are no satisfactory explanations really... only ways to know. I'm sure that you will do fine, if you intend it.
Thanks for the post GS,
I appreciate your help. I have had sporadic connections with Ramana Marharshi, and I agree with you about love being a connecting link with him. What really
got me though was the Soul Star Techniques, which I have never heard of, but somehow, fumbling around in the dark, I have recently developed a guided
meditation/visualization for myself which is so close to being Soul Star practice that it floored me. I thought I was just skimping on practicing inner
silence, listening to my inner dialog, etc., and now, after discovering this practice, it leaves me feeling a little strange, I had no idea, no inkling, that I
was being guided to this practice. This makes me wonder why I did not feel more sure I was on the right track, or at least have some sort of feeling that I was
being guided, I really just thought I was making it up and not really doing the practices I was supposed to be doing.
So, I am going to check out the rest of the info. you gave me. Thanks again,
Artwarrior
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artwarrior wrote:
Thanks for the post GS,
I appreciate your help. I have had sporadic connections with Ramana Marharshi, and I agree with you about love being a connecting link with him. What really
got me though was the Soul Star Techniques, which I have never heard of, but somehow, fumbling around in the dark, I have recently developed a guided
meditation/visualization for myself which is so close to being Soul Star practice that it floored me. I thought I was just skimping on practicing inner
silence, listening to my inner dialog, etc., and now, after discovering this practice, it leaves me feeling a little strange, I had no idea, no inkling, that
I was being guided to this practice. This makes me wonder why I did not feel more sure I was on the right track, or at least have some sort of feeling that I
was being guided, I really just thought I was making it up and not really doing the practices I was supposed to be doing.
So, I am going to check out the rest of the info. you gave me. Thanks again,
Artwarrior
Glad to be of service. As for the Soul Star Technique, it's remarkably powerful. It looks very naive and simple, but it's a marvel. As for
your douths... I think it's just the flyer trying to screw you. That's why I always suggest to master relaxation and inner silence first: To do the
rest without interference.
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nhey dere, Techie...
Croco here is a bit confused... ya wrote...
> He's going to kick my ass if/when he sees this, and measure out for me in exact terms, how little of his drift I've actually caught onto over the
years, but oh well...there it is.)
nher... mind clarifying ol' croco here, please? me is confused, 'cos if ya kew dat da bugger was gona to kick yer ass if/when he saw dis, den why in
da hec did ya still go ahead and posted it?!?
getting masochist with age?
nhor... some itsy bitsy residue of somethin' in ya dat couldn't resist da temptation of tryin' to get wat it made ya think dat ya would get from da
rest by posting it?
just askin', just askin'... no need to shoot me croco-scales... nhac, nhac, nhac...
Crocofused ( a croco confused)
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Croco wrote:
nher... mind clarifying ol' croco here, please? me is confused, 'cos if ya kew dat da bugger was gona to kick yer ass if/when he saw dis, den why in da
hec did ya still go ahead and posted it?!?
Ok, Croco let's see if we can stalk this together…
Toltechie wrote:
"But damned if after my irrational whimpering about it subsides, it hasn't facilitated in me, substantial insights. (He's going to kick my ass
if/when he sees this, and measure out for me in exact terms, how little of his drift I've actually caught onto over the years, but oh well...there it
is.)"
I'll tell you what I was trying to get across, my intention, croco, was to temper my claims of success, so this stood as a practical illustration and not a
brag or me sounding like the afterwards exemplar in a Silvan commercial.
Honestly, nowadays I kick my own ass - this was my own twisted, humorous way of doing so in front of fellow travelers to remind everyone that in the end, even
though I have a knack for penmanship and aim to be as helpful as possible in my comments, that everything is relative, and I still struggle daily with
comprehension of this subject, and J's and other's good advice, as well as the whole point to the exercise - comprehending myself. Like you pointed out
recently, in the end, no one can do anything for anyone else. Comparing notes and ideas on this forum is only beneficial as a tool to stimulate self
exploration.
But I think I get what your bringing to my attention in your question, and I smell a lurking predator in it too (and if we flush the **** from its cover -
it's all yours for dinner). It's compromising and confusing my own sense of discretion. Not only that...trying to set me up for and expect a verbal ass
kicking. In fact, I still feel one could be close at hand
Peace,
Toltechie
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Toltechie wrote: "won't keep indulging you on this Seeitall"
Sorry, Seeitall - didn't want to cut you off. I wasn't clear enough. I meant I won't further go through the exercise of picking apart Tores'
text about the F.I. for you. That's all.
I think you would benefit by such an exercise, though. And consider that if you discover a writer is yanking your chain about one thing, even what you consider
a non-issue, that it's probably a good idea to suspect they may be doing the same elsewhere in their dissertations, no matter how beautifully you think
they write.
Peace,
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Grandspeculator wrote: "or you are going to try to drag me into an endless, useless discussion
Thanks for your thoughts and letting me know how you view mine. No I won't presume to bother you any more with useless discussion, in fact, I'm
reminded that I've engaged you and others for longer that I can really afford, given my personal demands. So nice not to feel guilty about being the
moderator anymore. Sorry, Wolf, don't have time for it now. Enjoy the fray, all, and keep an eye on your F.I.'s. I'll be back hopefully before 15
more months pass, and when my leisure and inspiration coincide on this topic of topics. - Cheers!
Peace out,
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nhaaahh.... ok, Techie, nhancks fer clarifying me silly croco-brain...
> It's compromising and confusing my own sense of discretion.
Indeed!!! But now dat you caught dat, you ave it on yer hands da means to tackle it, handle it and deal with it, nhuh...
good fer you...
As fer getting it fer dinner... nhuckling (dat's "chuckling" in croco lingo)... nhah... me has other plans fer it... nhac, nhac, nhac...
Ever saw wat happenes when dat **** gets to be forced to be confronted head-on with a certain species of snake? No? not to worry... me can set up da show fer
ya to enjoy... nhac, nhac, nhac...
Crocographer (a croco aving a paw at coreographer )
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Croc are you a Flyer in a man and have taken over him? You are thought of predator like.
Or are you a croc Spirit that talks through the shaman..
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> Croc are you a Flyer in a man and have taken over him?
good afternoon to ya too, MorningSon, nhice to get acquainted... (damn, don't dis youngsters ave any manners anhymore?... just go barging into a
croc's path as if dey had known him for a lifetime... and assuming dat one has to answer dem whenever dey flash a question... nhy oh nhy, wat funny times
we are living, nhac, nhac, nhac...)... a friendly word, Mornings One... not wise to approach recklessly strangers whom one knows nothing about... dey might
bite us in da ass... or worse... take da approach as da required invitation to install demselves into us... and ya know wat... some are worse dan leeches...
when dey latch onto someone, it's fer life... (imagine if it's fleas... yaics!!!)...
nhope... me crawls on me fours, scratches me belly on da grounds to get rid off parasites and me only flies when me ignites me fart-propulsion system... which
is usually after digesting some nasty flying nuisasses... good taste, but give me too much gas... and me looks like a croco... (when in me croco skin, 'f
course)... so, nhope, me cannot be a Flyer...
> You are thought of predator like.
would be surprised if it was any other way... though dat's more of a reputation dan anythin' else... me is not as nasty as da Man-predator...
> Or are you a croc Spirit that talks through the shaman..
nhope... me human carcass, J., ain't a shaman... he's just an apprentice... an eternal apprencite of da art of handling knowledge...
if anything, me is an Infinity's fart who got trapped between a croco and a human shape somewhere along da journey... see... Infinity farted, and me, an
Infinity's fart, am still being propelled by dat mighty eventful moment... and along da way me bumped into some shapes and forms... just got too attached
to da croco and da human ones and now me is somewhat trapped in dem... 'cos me enjoys dem, dat's all... Infinity farted me, but didn't say me
couldn't indulge meself however me saw fit... nhac, nhac, nhac...
but hey... strange question for ya to ask... after all, ya just da same thingie as me and everybody else is... a fart being propelled and dissipated through
da vastness of Infinity...
ain't we a wonder, nhuh... walking, talking, ambulatory farts... nhah, da wonders of Life...
da damn flyer must be nuts indeed... to feed off farts... NHAH!... awful gastronomic taste dat darned thing has, wouldn't ya agree?
nhoops... must go... big flyer swiming around, belly hungry... see ya...
(submerging...)
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? what the....?
> Croc are you a Flyer in a man and have taken over him?
good afternoon to ya too, MorningSon, nhice to get acquainted... (damn, don't dis youngsters ave any manners anhymore?... just go barging into a
croc's path as if dey had known him for a lifetime... and assuming dat one has to answer dem whenever dey flash a question... nhy oh nhy, wat funny
times we are living, nhac, nhac, nhac...)... a friendly word, Mornings One... not wise to approach recklessly strangers whom one knows nothing about... dey
might bite us in da ass... or worse... take da approach as da required invitation to install demselves into us... and ya know wat... some are worse dan
leeches... when dey latch onto someone, it's fer life... (imagine if it's fleas... yaics!!!)...
nhope... me crawls on me fours, scratches me belly on da grounds to get rid off parasites and me only flies when me ignites me fart-propulsion system...
which is usually after digesting some nasty flying nuisasses... good taste, but give me too much gas... and me looks like a croco... (when in me croco
skin, 'f course)... so, nhope, me cannot be a Flyer...
> You are thought of predator like.
would be surprised if it was any other way... though dat's more of a reputation dan anythin' else... me is not as nasty as da
Man-predator...
> Or are you a croc Spirit that talks through the shaman..
nhope... me human carcass, J., ain't a shaman... he's just an apprentice... an eternal apprencite of da art of handling knowledge...
if anything, me is an Infinity's fart who got trapped between a croco and a human shape somewhere along da journey... see... Infinity farted, and
me, an Infinity's fart, am still being propelled by dat mighty eventful moment... and along da way me bumped into some shapes and forms... just got too
attached to da croco and da human ones and now me is somewhat trapped in dem... 'cos me enjoys dem, dat's all... Infinity farted me, but didn't
say me couldn't indulge meself however me saw fit... nhac, nhac, nhac...
but hey... strange question for ya to ask... after all, ya just da same thingie as me and everybody else is... a fart being propelled and dissipated
through da vastness of Infinity...
ain't we a wonder, nhuh... walking, talking, ambulatory farts... nhah, da wonders of Life...
da damn flyer must be nuts indeed... to feed off farts... NHAH!... awful gastronomic taste dat darned thing has, wouldn't ya agree?
nhoops... must go... big flyer swiming around, belly hungry... see ya...
(submerging...)
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Good evening to you master Choc. Thanks for the advice, but you know you are the best since Nagual Didiwuss left us. So impeccable in you expression as
Crocodylomorpha or Lizardman
Had to come over.
Crocos - the meat eating sea plant. Crocos is also name for the white meat from the plants 'jaws'
*shaking my head*
Can't find words..
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> *shaking my head*
> Can't find words..
nhac, nhac, nhac... not surprisingly... but dat's yer concern and yer problem, not mine... so ya deal with it however ya see fit... goodbye...
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Nice to meet you Crocossaurio. Good hunting.
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just kick them out and use them. In 2012 they will be cast into the lava it has been said in some literature. It needs to be reset, there are too many of them
now. death will allways show you where they are. They will tell you things at least haha .
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There is too many of them I agree.
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Why does being in a tree help fend off fliers? I have seen flyers as insects before, usually in my dreams, or right after I wake up while theyre eating. That
**** is scary. Ive seen daddy long leg type ones ( and I grabbed my blanket ran out side and shook them off and ran back inside in a silence)and maggot types,
and spider types and june bug ones, they are cool to look at sometimes, but not when there are hoardes of them lol. I wondered wether the top of a roof would
work?, I saw that there is about a 10 foot coating along the ground like a fog, are they held down by gravity, or do they just believe that humans are ground
level and stick to that? IS earth eating us? Do I need to be in a rope or something or does sitting in a tree for 2 hours help? do you know of any passes that
are not in the taisha books.? I was sitting in the warriors positon.(which really hurts{does it stop hurting after doing it for so long, or is supposed to hurt
a bit to bring attention to the knees, and the foot gate?)WHy does the foot energy not get eaten by them?does that mean if I open my feet up into my whole
cocoon they will all Leave. =).
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Also, any ideas about cutting and killing them?
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I learned something today after recapping, i learned that if you steal music online or watch movies online at no cost that is stealing and to repay that karma,
your going to have to rebuy all the things youve watched, Or the fliers will eat your energy to pay back for what you stole, because most of the time they are
really the masterminds behind the music.
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Eating fliers? We could end world hunger!
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sounds like a dreamers answer. grins, ok then Much respect to you unspeakable.
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Thanks for the intending wolf, I also see that you know that I am a wolf too. The female is being nice now . haha . she is going fast and I follow and hold
down .That way she doesnt get annoyed by being in my field to long , thats why we get annoyed. Even though I know you dont need thanks, I am reporting in
anyways.
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It is good to hear. The wolf shamanic is part of the world of sorcery. We as travelers need to report in to show we still exist.
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