What the Foreign Installation Is.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

It is the voice in your mind. If it never was in you then you would have no internal dialogue. No voice in your mind.
It entered you when you were young, you gave it permission believe it or not.
It makes you believe that it doesn't exist.
It is a parasite that feeds on your energy.
It only has enough power over you that you allow it.
It can live past your existance and occuply many humans one at a time.
There are exceptions in the above statement.
It thinks of you as a pet and a source of food.
Often it indulges in making you do disgusting things.
It lives in your spine.
It can communicate to other parasites in other humans without you knowing and without your consent.
It can be quite passive or very aggressive.
It can crave spikes of energy that it can feed on that are produced by violent emotional events such as murder, rape,
killing, abusive behaviour, vomiting, self inflicted wounds,
starvation and other such types of deviant behaviour.
It doesn't feed on love, friendship, beauty, enjoyment, laughter, etc.
It weighs only a few ounces.
It leaves your body when you sleep and will eat at your feet while they are off the ground.
It can enter your dreams.
It can be made to leave your body if you can command it.
You and your friends, and your parents, and the president and people that you see everywhere have a parasite in them.
This parasite can be seen in the eyes of those it inhabits.
These are some of the things the Foreign Installation can do and is.
Lone Wolf

[Zitter]

thank you wolf....
you said it weighs only a few ounces...
..now it comes to my mind that ive heard somewhere about "the weight of our soul". somebody said that the after dead the body is a little bit lighter then alive..(maybe a few ounces?)..
might that be the flyer that leaves us?

[Nagual LoneWolf]

(Smile) I've been waiting for someone to understand that Zitter...well done.

[Punachick]

re: it lives in your spine Is this why, after an intense yoga practice of backbends, I feel so good? And empty? After such a session, I notice I feel really calm and peaceful and my mind is quiet. The effects last anywhere from a few hours to a couple of days, and its a drag when the internal chatter starts up again. Do you think a serious yoga practice--serious meaning daily, preceded by meditation and chanting--is effective in chasing off flyers? It seems to me it is--or are the flyers fooling me into believing so?

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Disipline and mental control are the main weapons against the effects of the flyer. Control your inner chatter and not let it control you. As far as chasing a flyer from your body, it starts with such steps.

[seeitall]

>It is the voice in your mind.
>If it never was in you then you would have no internal dialogue.
>No voice in your mind
could you elaborate more on this ? I mean if
100% of internal dialogue is flyer, then this group
is probably 100% flyer's chat. How can one even think
to get rid of flyer, if his whole thinking is a
flyer ?

[toltechie]

>>It is the voice in your mind.
>>If it never was in you then you would have no internal dialogue.
>>No voice in your mind
> could you elaborate more on this ?
Hi seeitall,
I will do my best to answer your question with some of my own simple understandings. Realize that Im in the learning mode myself, and that there is so very much more to all of this. Talking it out, however, and comparing notes is how we will all learn more.
The mechanism of self-talk is a function of the mind. Internal dialogue maintains our perception of the world. From what I can tell, it is not always our flyer, which is engaging in self-talk. The flyer exploits this function, however, as one of its tools to control us. An important technique to break ones worldview is to suspend all internal dialogue. When accomplished, our perception of reality, which has been maintained by such, collapses. The flyer must prevent this from happening, because it not only loses control of us as a consequence, but we move to a different mental field. The main maneuver the flyer has accomplished to enslave us is substituting its mind for our own true mind, or rather causing us to use its mind to think. Therefore one way to confirm the existence of the flyer is to attempt silencing the minds internal dialog. Its like being in a dark room with you and another person who sounds like you talking. When you stop, you will suddenly realize that there is still someone else in the room talking. The flyer will fight you tooth and claw to sustain the internal dialogue that maintains the status quo. If it was just you thinking, then if you willed to stop thinking, you would instantly succeed in doing so.
> I mean if
> 100% of internal dialogue is flyer, then this group
> is probably 100% flyer's chat. How can one even think
> to get rid of flyer, if his whole thinking is a
> flyer ?
As illustrated, our own thoughts and the flyers thoughts are mixed together. The flyer however, is an expert at the mechanisms of the mind and uses the power of suggestion to ruthlessly maintain the upper hand. A common technique it uses is pacing and leading, which involves first agreeing with you, to pace along with you on a thought or impulse you initiate. Then it takes the lead and twists what you are thinking while making it appear that its thoughts are your own.
It is a good exercise to maintain vigilance and discrimination about what is being said on the forum. There is no shame in admitting that yours or someone elses flyer has the upper hand, in what is being said here or anywhere else, since most everyone with very few exceptions is still under its control. This is stalking our flyer. The goal is to first gain an awareness of when it is thinking/speaking as opposed to you, and then start to gain an understanding of its modus operandi by observing how it behaves when in control.
Peace,
Toltechie

[HerbaMatey]

Hey Wolf and All,
My partner says in regards to ---- It doesn't feed on love, friendship, beauty, enjoyment, laughter, etc. ---- that her flier feeds off that stuff. I said maybe its a super flyer! What gives?

[toltechie]

Hi Herba,
> What gives?
What gives is you're asking us to put way too much stock into what someone else says. Your regard for your partner's opinions isn't objective, it's very subjective. So, must we assume, is your partner's observations. Can you like, correlate that data with an independent research lab's statistical results from a double blinded study or something and get back to us?
Peace,
Toltechie

[Zitter]

hi wolf!
do you know were in our spine the flyer lives?
maybe in the neck-area?
i know this feeling quite long, but these days when i experienced it once more..i thought about the flyer..
i get this feeling when im in a conversation with someone whos agressive or very emotional..
its some kind of tension in the neck, it feels like something is moving there...
anybody knows that too?

[seeitall]

that spine thing is interesting. but if you remember what
DJ said, the only distorted center is in your head
which is ocupied by flyer and which can be seen
as sick pulsating energy. all the **** comes from your head.
The flyers are also depicted as huge heavy creatures, I think
how would they fit in the spine ? seems like only a sort
of attachement , only a part (small?) of flyer mind is in us.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Hi
The flyer is large in the world at large but within it is very small but quite powerful.

[ranma187]

i've noticed such fleeting shadows recently.
The CC books often talk about shutting off internal dialouge. Can anyone give an explanation of how to shut it off? I've moved my AP at least once. Still i don't know how i managed to shut my ID off long enough to do this.

[Bob May]

Practice. It is something that you will have to do over and over, stopping the speaking inside your head.
We can only have one thought at a time.
Use this to your advantage. Listen to your breathing every time you find yourself talking inside. If you cannot hear yourself breathe, just pretend that you do and listen to the Memory of what Your Breathing sounds like.
Do this each time you find yourself talking. It will become habit. To get rid of a habit, you have to replace it with something. Another Habit!
So, replace the habit of speaking to yourself with the habit of listening to your breathing.
This way your subconscious mind will not rebel, on the contrary, it will welcome the new habit.
Breathing carries no meaning as words do, and so it will not add to your description of the world.
Bright Flame

[toltechie]

Hi Bright Flame,
"So, replace the habit of speaking to yourself with the habit of listening to your breathing.
This way your subconscious mind will not rebel, on the contrary, it will welcome the new habit.
Breathing carries no meaning as words do, and so it will not add to your description of the world."
I don't know if you thought this very compalling technique up or got it from somewhere, but thanks for bringing it to this forum
Peace,
Toltechie

[Bob May]

""I don't know if you thought this very compalling technique up or got it from somewhere, but thanks for bringing it to this forum ""
Your very welcome. I hope it helps. It has helped me for many years.
I thought it up AND got it from somewhere.
I am of the opinion that we don't have a thought of our own.
That can be a bad thing as in the case of influence by "Fliers", or demonic spirits.
It can also be a good thing if the Spirit is that of God.
We were created as empty vessels waiting to be filled.
We also can decide which type of spirit we are filled with.
The real problem is once you are filled with a lot of the "Bad" stuff, you don't have the Will or mental faculties to deal with the situation.
That is the situation for alchoholics and drug addicts, etc.
But if they are made aware of their situation, and make a step toward God, Power, Jesus,...He will make more than one step towards them.
That is the story of the "Prodigal Son". While he was "still a long way off, his father ran to meet him".
I have seen some of the depths and highths.
It can be a long journey, but well worth the effort.
And "stopping the internal dialog" is the most powerful tool that we have in becoming aware of what we are surrounded by.
Bright Flame

[Guest]

"It thinks of you as a pet and a source of food."
This reminds me of a part in the Brihardaranyaka Upanishads:

And to this day, whoever in a like manner knows the self as "I am Brahman," becomes all this universe. Even the gods cannot prevent his becoming this, for he has become their Self.
Now, if a man worships another deity, thinking: "He is one and I am another," he does not know. He is like an animal to the gods. As many animals serve a man, so does each man serve the gods. Even if one animal is taken away, it causes anguish to the owner; how much more so when many are taken away! Therefore it is not pleasing to the gods that men should know this."

So if these gods, archons or whatever entities live of our emotional energies, regard us as their 'lifestock', what role do the flyers play in it?
Are they just another kind of energy consuming entities?
They pursue different strategies, to get at their food.
The gods make themselves known as some kind of higher lifeforms that require to be worshiped in order to have a beneficial effect on our lives. Otherwise they threaten that we will get the 'wrath of the gods' and suffer from disastrous events. Thats blackmail.
The flyers get us to take them to be our selves. We are not supposed to know anything of them. They want us to derive a false sense of self from THEIR thoughts and emotions.
To notice them and disidentify from them is the first step into freedom.
Are these two forms of predetors in competition with each other, or do they work together?
Are the flyers a kind of 'cowboys' for the deities?
Was the invention of momotheism a kind of monopolisation of foodresources? Are those "I'm-the-only-god-and-creator-of the-universe" god's like Jahwe and Allah food-companies who trade their goods off to the other gods?
In India nearly every sage and every village seems to have it's own deities.Are those some kind of self sufficient farmers, who keep just enough people to nourish their own family?
Just a few thoughts that crossed my mind when I was reading this very interesting forum about the F.I.'s.
I find this place very encouraging to try harder to go beyond the mind and stay there as often and as long as possible.
Again and again and again....

[Nagual LoneWolf]

I believe that the flyer goes back to our very beginnings. Without the flyer we would be more innocent and less evolved as far as industry. It helped our species survive and has been instrumental in the earth's destruction and animal extinction.
We would be more natural and at one with our planet and all beings living on it without the flyer.

[seeitall]

religions were probably created by flyers. I remember
the witches said that once one gets eventualy rid of the flyer and the coating glow of awarenes grows back,
there is much more sly and mean predator that will
try to feed on it. flyers were said to be dumb compared to him. so good luck to us all.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

"there is much more sly and mean predator that will
try to feed on it."
That what you mention some would call devil/satan/lucifer..it is a demon and they are amoung us and still feed on selective
humans.

[Aranno Way]

Knowone can say it better than D.J. and that is by following the warriors way that we would have the minimum chance to escape the Black-hole fixation that they inflick on us.
Only our dreaming body or energy body has the speed necessary to venture out of the grips of the entrapment.
Something to remember is only help people or consume your energy if it comes from the "place of no pity" because I don't feel sorry for people that created their own problems especially when they lie to you for your help and you end up being taken advantaged from and It makes my life alot easier in dealing with people because after a while they are not around anymore. Imagine that.
Aranno.

[Guest]

All well and good, but I would offer this: it doesn't matter what anyone, including 'Nagual' Lone Wolf has to say about any of this, if they are not seers. Also, it's clear that the only ones qualified to Teach are those who have Regained the Totality of Themselves and who have been Liberated from the human form. Have any of you done this? If not, what good are any of your speculations? Verify by seeing, or there is no point to any of this.
All the best,
Anon

[Guest]

There is a useful point to all of this-Language and communication are powerful tools.Though talking can be a waste of energy at times it can be helpful.In this case it is possible in this forum for someone reading it to catch a glimpse of,or feel the workings of the intent of the old seers.There is no telling where it can lead someone.I picked up "The Teaching of Don Juan"when I was 16 years old.The feelings it generated in me shaped my life in a very awesome way.I am grateful!Not to compare this forum to Carlos,but still it could lead to ....?

[Nagual LoneWolf]

freedom.

[ARNWAY]

I quess I could consider my self as a seer or someone that see's energy directly in dreaming or normal perception.
Something that I want to mention to all fellow warriors is that when you feel the compulsion of a musical tune going through your head that you here on the radio and you know that it is going to reverberate in your thoughts to the point that it is a preoccupation of your internal dialog and if this is the case you must use stalking measures to counter act this occurance.
You must use music or dialog that is from warrior music or any dialog to counter act this engagement to stop it.
I personally use Peter Gagrial ,Yes, God Smack or Jon Anderson music to replace the engagement of the internal dialog that has been the fixation that is entered my thoughs.
I feel that this is a part of stalking of the elements that invade our mind.
What ever method you use is up to you.
The bottom line is that when you have a Continual thought pattern in your head you better treat it as a intrusioin of the F.E.
ARNWAY.
Just My opinion.