What the Foreign Installation Is.

[avadhut1008]

Why the flyer focus on your spine and brain?
Because it's your spine where kundalini-shakti/personal-power rises up.
By putting morbid impulses trough all your chakras the flyer pretends to keep you with low energy and stuck in dull normalcy.
Kundalini Yoga, with the right intent, can shake the flyer effectively.
Those who have enough personal power are flyer-free, but they may fall back to dull normalcy if they are not impeccable.
Excuse my english, it's not my mother tongue.

[Bob May]

"Kundalini Yoga, with the right intent, can shake the flyer effectively."
Fire purifies everything. I believe it is what both Jesus and John the Baptist refered to as the "baptism of fire." The wineskin must be changed to accept the "new wine" Spirit.
Otherwise the bottle will burst and both the bottle and the wineskin are lost.
Contacting the spirt-fire should, in my opinion, be done gradually to give the vessel time to change.
You have to rise far above the realms of fliers and demons to contact the source of this power. They cannot touch or follow you there. But,when and if you do touch the power you may find it is more frightening than the demons.
This is not meant to put anyone off, only to inform. Becoming one with that ocean of blue-white lightening taught me the meaning of Awe,(fear of God).
But, "..the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.." and I would not trade that experience for anything.

But know that the source of this energy is not in the tail bone area. It is far above our bodies. When contacted by the "Thousand Petaled Lotus" or "Point" meditation it comes down into our bodies and turns and rises at the tailbone area awakening the Serpent.Bob

[avadhut1008]

Haha!
Indeed Bob! Kundalini Yoga should be done gradually. The power-of-transformation in kundalini/kriya yoga is enormous, but without patience, purity and right intent it can be dangerous up to fatal.
You can burn your nervous system, give yourself a heart-attack, destroy your lungs, etc.
None can *** around with Kundalini-Shakti! She is quite a lady. Treat her well or die.
In short, if you want to do kriya yoga do it like a warrior: with awe and respect.Excuse my english, it's not my mother tongue.

[ARNWAY]

The post that I made on this thread is very important because what I was refering to is having a song stuck in your head and it almost seems hypnotic in nature.
If this happens it should be stopped because it is most likely the result of the F.I.

[Bob Carr]

or: You know who you are and you know what you are doing.




The perception of FI is, I guess, of Toltec origin, and has no counterpart in western thought, as far as I know of.


I have read and thought about, and , viewed input from Lonewolf and others, to whom I am grateful, concerning Flyers.


If Christians can believe in angels and devils, if science can call it mental imbalance, then, the FI, the false mind, is as good an explanation as any.




The Castaneda narrative says that FI is widespread and deceptive. As another mere human being, I have , over time, identified such symptoms within myself,
though I never thought of it as FI, before.


The positive side of this is that I can now identify some FI in others, if I remember to think about it.


The FI has many tools: a made-up mind (closed minded) , transference of blame, diversion, confusingness (crazy-making), Anger, greed, envy,
accusations, threats, gossip, control and power trips; all the stuff of Abusive Behavior, really unhealthy, the behavior of an autocrat or martinet.




So, if FI can be accepted as a reality, it's not such a stretch to believe that some of these very forums are infected by FI, as any other human


activity could be infected. No one is immune.




Interestingly, the more the fight, resistance, threat, denial and accusation, the closer to exposure and removal the FI is.


Like an addict maybe?


It is a fight for survival; that of the FI or of the True mind of a human being.




Struggle is useless, understanding is awareness, being available to Spirit is the solution.


Not me , but the Spirit that works through me.

[ARNWAY]

Bob you correct on what you mentioned-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I will state Bob that
I'm not shadow free but I make actions that are shadow free and call them baby steps or what ever but the point is that when a warrior becomes a warrior is
when his actions reflects the shadow no more and I think this is a reflection of what D.J. talks about being impeccable, because only then that we were not
inflicted with F.I. herpes.

[seeitall]

Bob Carr wrote:





The perception of FI is, I guess, of Toltec origin, and has no counterpart in western thought, as far as I know of.


I have read and thought about, and , viewed input from Lonewolf and others, to whom I am grateful, concerning Flyers.


If Christians can believe in angels and devils, if science can call it mental imbalance, then, the FI, the false mind, is as good an explanation as any.









"This is exactly what Gnostics said about the Archons: they can affect our minds by subliminal conditioning techniques. Their main
tactics are mental error (intellectual virus, or false ideology, especially religious doctrines) and simulation. Archons are predatory, unlike a wide range of
non-human and other-dimensional beings also know to the Gnostics, beings who are benevolent or neutral toward humanity. "




http://www.redicecreations.com/specialr ... alien.html

[Bob Carr]

Thank you Arnway.


I do not claim perfection in anything. I do try to reflect those things that may be of advancement and , well, love.


I will stand my ground when attacked here by those who do not know me, have no evidence and will not take the time to


at least seek some kind of common ground.


If it has not been clear since I joined the forum about a year ago, one of my goals is peacemaking.


Holding my 'tongue' and pausing my anger is part of the Warriors way with me.


And, I do love the exploration of all things 'living', especially since I got my mind out of the way. Perception is advanced when false mind is
removed, destiny redirected.

[Bob May]

Hi seeitall,


I am reading the Nag Hammadi scrolls now a little at a time. Lot of interesting stuff but written by many different groups of Christians and Gnostics etc.


A lot of the same conclusions can be gained by reading the Bible. That is what (Old Testament that is the New Testamment was not put together yet at that
time.) When these letters were written was the time frame when the various writings were being gathered. Many of the writers of what were found at Nag Hammadi
were rejected by those gathering the letters that would become the New Testament.


As a side note, my teacher used to say that alien sightings were "demonic thought forms." (Sounds like Archons to me.) It is interesting these days
that when confronted by something that is not easily explainable most people tend to go for an "Extraterestrial" explaination instead of a spiritual
(good or bad spirits) one.


The book of Enoch also has some of the same type "bad guys" and calls them "The Watchers". Also sounds like the Archons.

[NLWolf]

Wanted to say hello as for once I can actually post n this forum.

[ARNWAY]

Are you Lone Wolf? or someone else since according to your # of posts its less that 7 posts.




If it is you Wolf I hope things are going well for you.

[Bob May]

Hi all,




"The perception of FI is, I guess, of Toltec origin, and has no counterpart in western thought, as far as I know of...


...If Christians can believe in angels and devils, if science can call it mental imbalance, then, the FI, the false mind, is as good an explanation as
any."




I see good examples of this concept in Jesus' Temptation in the Wilderness, in the crowd yelling Crucify Him when just 5 days before they welcomed him into
Jerusalem by spreading palm fronds in front of him as he rode into town.


Also when it said that Satan entered into Judas just before he left the "Last Supper" on his way to betray Jesus.


But even moreso in the concept of the "Carnal Mind."




Here are Paul's words on that subject;





"For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.






For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do.



If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.



Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.



For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform
that which is good I find not.



For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.






Sounds like a bunch of double talk at first glance. But, bottom line is that when we try to do good there is something that
resides inside of us that keeps us from doing it. Something that is not us but fights us, keeping us from our purposes and frustrating our every
effort.

[Bob Carr]

An interesting thing about seeing these things as FI is that it removes the moral Shame and Blame issue and replaces it with the need to become
aware of problems to be solved, or better yet, perception to be fine-tuned.




The morals issue seems to obscure good information in the Bible. The OT books like Judges were , in fact , entertaining , once I knew how to take it.




Someone told me once to just read it like an ordinary book. Sometimes it seems morbid to me, all the thou shat nots and damnations. And I think 'fear the
lord ' is just wrong.

[Bob May]

Good observations Bob,




"..problems to be solved, or better yet, perception to be fine-tuned..."




It is a book of spiritual science. An "owners handbook" on the human body soul and spirit, as my teacher was fond of saying.




"..all the thou shat nots and damnations. And I think 'fear the lord ' is just wrong..."




Not wrong,


At the deeper levels the Bible is about touching with real Power. I have come to look at the Old Testament as a warning sign. If you touch on those powers
without proper "rewiring" so to speak it will destroy you.


It is said in the Qabala if you become one with a "Sephirah", (one of the "emanations" or "aspects" of "God") whatever
you think in your mind manifests in matter. Even to the point of miracles such as changing the weather and raising the dead. All of the battles in the Old
Testament are actually battles within us.


The "fear" of God is actually the word "Awe" in Hebrew. It refers to a type of respect that you might have for lightning, High voltage
electricity or a tornado.




It is not that God is angry at anyone. It is a warning against touching something you are not yet ready for.


If God did not care He would not have warned us.


The fine tuning you refer to IS the "getting ready" part.


Touching some of those powers by "Rising on the Planes" or becoming "One With" a Sephirah by someone who has not at least begun to work on
either self importance or ego or facing their own emotions etc., would destroy them body, mind and maybe even soul.


God is Love, but He is also a "Consumming Fire."




"An interesting thing about seeing these things as FI is that it removes the moral Shame and Blame issue and replaces it with the need to
become aware of problems to be solved,.."




When Jesus cast these things out of people he condemned no one. He had compassion on them. They were victims of this plane we are in and the beings that
inhabit it. Just as we are.

[Blue totem]

Hello everyone




Someone said there is no equivalent to the flyers is non-toltec religions. Well the bible says that we are occupied by a foreign evil spirit or a demon. The
bible says that we are occupied in this way untill we are occupied by the spirit of God.




I personnaly dont believe in the flyers, but it`s possible. I`m not a seer, so I can`t verify the phenomenon.

[Bob May]

Hi Blue totem,




"Well the bible says that we are occupied by a foreign evil spirit or a demon. The bible says that we are occupied in this way untill we are occupied by
the spirit of God.


I personnaly dont believe in the flyers, but it`s possible. I`m not a seer, so I can`t verify the phenomenon."




The problem is that if we have always been occupied by a spirit how would we know? We would have nothing to compare it to.


Another way of looking at it is that we were born with the same fallen spirit as Adam. (Adam means Mankind, not a Man, by the way)


We could call it the "Carnal Mind" which judges everything by outward appearances.


That is the purpose of all of the "Mystery Schools" throughout history. Whether Toltec, Egyptian, Gnostic or whatever. To learn to see beyond what
ordinary human beings are capable of seeing.




By the way the spirit would not have to be Evil, it could be just stupid or unclean or any one of the thousands of personality types that mankind displays.


But compare those personalities with the powers and awarenesses displayed by those who were attending Pentecost in the book of Acts.


The Spirit was poured out upon that group and they were engulfed with the "Great Bands of Emanations" as Don Juan puts it. (Or "Tongues of
Flames" as the Bible puts it). They were no longer the same individuals after that event.

[Hawkeye Crow]

Nagual Lonewolf asked me what I think the FI is. I replied with what was written, that the FI is a false mind. As I
kind of get it , I was inspired to put a bit more meat on this bone. In TALES OF POWER , don Juan says that the Idea is the crux . That to hold a thought is
to realize it in Dreaming. So , as thoughts and ideas are of the mind , the false mind means holding false ideas. That a thought can be made reality is a
principle I came across some years ago , and have been considering that principle deeply. Certainly , a lot of people have a lot of the wrong ideas about many
things. Politics Sex and Romance and so on. Biblically, there is John 1:1-in the beginning was the word...all things made through him. This idea
is that each person is connected to infinity by his mind , and , if Power allows, thoughts become substance. And , there is no discernment in this power, so
ideas , right or wrong , become real to us.




Concerning the idea of things , the title of this post is one , also from TALES OF POWER. Speaking of the way of a warrior, don Juan speaks of the
relationship of masters and beggars to one another, and how these roles are not practiced by warriors. This status or lack of it is also part of the FI. The
eternal 'pecking order' . The warrior neither requires bowing and scraping , nor does he expct it from others. The humbleness of a warrior. I found
a form of this in the Bible , Matthew 18 , the ungrateful servant. There was another , don't recall where , but Jesus was saying that a guest at a home
should not take the 'high seat ' lest he be embarressed, and be required to move to a lesser place in front of everyone. These are good lessons of
humility , but I can see how the Status order is maintained. So , to me, the warriors way is a better idea. Finally , in this same book is a
statement that has stuck. While instructing Carlos, don Juan says that average human beings are the true sorcerers. Black witches , I'll bet. There's
an old paperback that covers this one, "Games People Play" , or maybe "Escape From Freedom" , by Erich Fromm. That's FI to
me

[Bob May]

Hi Bob,




"This status or lack of it is also part of the FI."




I think this is a big part of what's wrong in this world. I read someone's opinion in some book, (and I think it is probably true), that this
"hierarchy mentality" came down to us with the fallen angels ala the "Book of Enoch". and that it has wrongfully infected every aspect of
this world we live in. Church, businesses, schools and even social and family affairs.


Jesus told the disciples it would not be so with them, but he who would be greatest among them would be servant to them.


That kind of turns the entire world on it's head.

[Hawkeye Crow]

Well , Bob M, I came back because I forgot to list sources of FI. You have listed some. Fallen angels? I do recognize that unseen forces are surely a source.
I keep thinking of older generations who would say : 'Trouble floats around looking for a place to land.' Parents, religions , race-cultural memory
(Yugoslavia!) , governments especially , peer groups , media ; all sources of 'the wrong idea' .




I am glad you are able to sort out Biblical teachings in relation to Nagualism. I can see that many ideas are the same among various teachings.


Me, I don't pray anymore. Silence of mind and being available to spirit is better for me. Next , is to hold a thought and get specific




Isn't it a wonder how the ideas of 150 years ago , Jules Verne , are now reality? Space Travel , telephones , submarines , all technology ; I used to say
that they originated in the mind of God. I don't say that anymore , because , as a mortal , I recognize that I have no possible idea what's in the
mind of God , an idea I have never seen expressed anywhere else other than Castaneda and Nagual don Juan. Now, I am open to epiphany......

[Captain Know]

Hello List members, I am new to this list as well as the Castaneda list, elsewhere on the web.




I've been a reader of CC since the 70's. Been in various traditions. currently I earn a living as a holistic doc/homeopath. When I recently read
CC's last book and the mention of the "flyers', it instantly reminded me of Eckhardt Tolle's, 'Pain body'. He calls it an alien-like
foreign being that lives with us. At the time when I read that last year I found it a curious thought that he would personify what I took to just be our
internal psyche full of the mommy-daddy trauma issues we create defense mechanisms against. Then I thought about the ancient Orthodox Church monastic
literature. I refer to the Ladder of St John Climacus. There are 20 or 21 steps to reach perfection = 'theosis'. the monk must struggle against the
passion or "demon' of gluttony, lust, anger, envy,...all the way to pride - the last "demon'. The ancient Christian monastic literature is
replete with such descriptions of doing battles with the demons, for instance, St. Antony the Great of Egypt. The demons he struggled with appeared as
shadows, serpents, et cterea.




Then, in my homeopathic studies, we follow what is know as the "Bombay school" which has shown that all humans are in a "state". That
state may be a Plant, mineral, or animal state, as the vast majority of homeopathic remedies can be divided into these three kingdoms. This pathological
'state' is what is responsible for mental, emotional and physical imbalances, especially all the strange/rare/peculiar traits of each individual. When
we find and/or get the similimum (the one homeopathic remedy that matches our unique state) then the energetic vibration of that state is nullified by the
remedy, and we can now just fully be human and manifest the human morphogenic field (the human mold), without the imposition of the foreign morphogenic
"state'.




What I'm getting at is, that there seems to be multiple fields and speakers who are pointing at the same thing. Even L. Ron Hubbard in Scientology, and
Palmer of Avatar have spoken of such foreign energy field leaches or "engrams'.




I have found that the correct homeopathic remedy based on costitutional core essence prescribing gives new energy to free the individual from this Foreign
Installation. I believe they are all speaking of the same thing. Homeopathy calls it the "state' or illness. The Christian monks call them
demons/spirits. Scientology = engrams. Don Juan = "flyers" or Inorganic beings. Eckhardt Tolle = the "Pain body'.




These states create as well as thrive on our negative painful emotional energies = lusts, angers, jealousies, envy, depression....you name it. Don Juan
mentions discipline. Indeed the Christian monastic live was extremely disciplined, leading to humility in Christ. To lose one's self so that
"Christ' may live in us. For a prideful person, the abbot would have them clean latrines for years, for example.




I think also the homepathic remedy, the "similimum' as we call it, helps tremendously. Our foreign installation may behavior like any number of plant
remedies (always affected by things, sensitive), or like many of the mineral remedies ( fearful of loss of structure in life = job, money, security,
relationship), and the animal based remedies have in common the themes of (survival, competition, attractiveness, sexuality, high/low, strong/weak)




Anyway, these are just my observations. Putting into practice all of this is difficult, but must be done with all the things written up in Journey to Ixtlan.




Also, silencing the internal dialogue is easier if the attention is split between two things = listen to the external sounds around you and simultaneously look
at an object, or split your attention between two visual objects and go back and forth while listening to the surrounding sounds. You'll find shutting
the mind off easier than trying to just focus on one thing like meditating on a candle or a mantra. Your mind will constantly wander when focusing on just one
thing. you must go back in forth with your attention to at least two things and then seek the place of silence somewhere. Keep trying and you'll find
the free space of no thinking. No foreign installation. However, the flyer will come back. Yet, our persistent discipline will rebuff it.




Interesting stuff no? Our mind is not just our mind. hmmm.




Ron

[Blue totem]

You look kinda weird on your picture, you wanna see a doctor about that.

[Captain Know]

Blue totem wrote:

You look kinda weird on your picture, you wanna see a doctor about that.

LOL... I chose that avatar for a Dallas basketball discussion board. It seemed that the YuKu or EZ board chat rooms are the same. So, when I logged on
here it accepted my avatar and name from the basketball site. (no esoteric avatars or toltec name to make up here) So, yeah, I need a new nose. On my planet
we just absorb air thru our skin...no need for a nose.

[Blue totem]

The avatar you see on my post is actually my face... So I know what you are going through.




I`ve read about homeopathy, it`s interesting. Made some gold remedy for myself, a trick I read on the net.


I could really feel the etheral gold enter my body. I found it was the shaking with the hands that did the trick.


The gold`s essence would merge with the water (in my case).

[Captain Know]

The homeopathic remedies are prepared by multiple dilutions and succussion (shaking or pounding of the tincture). the succussion imprints the energetic
essence of the mother substance into the carrier solution (water/alcohol). If you read the Materia Medica of each remedy, you'll your mental, emotional,
physical characteristics of each prepared substance/remedy. Now think of the "foreign installation'. Each FI is specific and unique to us. Some
of us whine, some of us ****, (Nux vomica) some of us are haughty (Platina), some of us love to hear our own ideas (Sulphur)...etc. So, homeopathy can be a
resource tool in ridding oneself of the FI. It needs dual work in my opinion. the discipline that DJ talks about. Our own awareness of it's presence.
Internal silence (a la Eckhardt Tolle) and homeopathy for extra energy to nullify it. There are perhaps other ways too, of which i'm wanting to learn
about on this Board.




I should note, most homeopaths are not aware of this potential. At the moment, only a few know the real power of the homeopathic therapy. It is ultimately a
"spiritual' technique. The interview must be done are the core level to find who the "flyer' really is. The client goes into a
non-rational state and illogic in the way we are interviewing. Otherwise, homeopathy done the regular way is hit and miss.

[Hawkeye Crow]

Captain Know: The knowledge of the FI is truly enlightening , at least to me . Some call it Race Memory , others , Collective Memory. I think of cultural
histories , like Yugoslavia or Ireland. Clinging is described as self-reflection and self-importance in Castaneda , and is also related to Envy. Though these
kind of things have a reality , they are too much used as an excuse to aviod personal responsibility and self-criticism. It is , at least to my thinking ,
related to racism and jingoism , which have much the same function.