autonomy

[serloco]

Yo, cut it.

[serloco]

You think the only reason to want to be a nagual is for self gratification? You should examine that judgment. I can see it.

I remember when I read the quran. It was beautiful and directed you to God. I didnt read every word but I enjoyed what I read. I am a little different then most people though. I have my own way and experience my own world. Therefor someone else's experience of something like reading the quran would be different then my experience with it. I let others reap what they sow. I call your version a monster book. Maybe you have seen harry potter? Well assuming you haven't I suggest loving the book first. Give it good energies. It really will move your experience to a higher level. You should try it. It's magical. In the movie you have to pet the book first. I call it setting up the book.
(edit: removed sentence - response to deleted offensive exchange)

[Genardo Sacateca]

I've never been this impressed by anything you have ever written, Serloco.You used to post as though you were zonked out of your friggin mind on psychotropic medication

If you have not seen this documentary EVERYONE SHOULD TAKE THE TIME TO DO SO!!!

YES, it is THAT IMPORTANT!!!

[Genardo Sacateca]

Serloco is a Great Nagual Leader
What? You actually needed me to tell you this?







Thing is in full agreement

and he's got sumethin fo you ass!!!

[serloco]

Oh really? That's good to know. I don't want to mess up transition's thread here with all this non related conversations. Anyways, take care.

[serloco]

I had a job manifesting medications. The experience is also personal. Harboring negative judgments about your medication could have some nasty side-effects for you. I would clean out the inventory of yours if were you. Chuck all the evil out to the curb. Reclaim your power.

[Sacateca]

You want me to throw away my health food store organic vitamins?
However, you are correct in that we should NOT hijack this topic thread

If the OP wants me to delete my posts I'm 'jiggie' wit dat!






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[serloco]

What I am saying is that you should not harbour negative judgements about anything in creation. It is sacred and pure, and should not be tainted with evil. If you judge your vitamins as evil then you shouldn't use them. But even better is see no evil and hear no evil. Judge no evil.

[Sacateca]

Just let evil overrun you without judgment or resistance, eh?
Sorry, not my idea of a wise way to view life

I AM A REAL WARRIOR!!!

And I'm not always sweet & nice!!!

[serloco]

No, what I am saying is simple, stop the world. Why do you want to live in a world wth evil in it?

[Sacateca]

I've found there is no substitute for becoming stronger

[serloco]

And there are many ways to do so.

[Genardo Sacateca]

Becoming stronger in all good and wonderful ways is what I encourage.Talk without strength to back it up is like a child's squirt gun.
All show and promises, but when the big flames come
it is rather useless to protect.

I'm not impressed by wimpy supposed "warriors"
who are all mouth.

These are the types of warriors the New Agers strive to become.
Evil comes charging forward and they are always ready to smile
while being trampled underfoot

[serloco]

Honestly, listen to yourself. Now who would strive for what you said?

[Genardo Sacateca]

I hope NOBODY wants to strive for what I am becoming.
As I stated, I have no desire to be any supposed 'nagual leader'

So, your not wanting me as your leader is music to my proverbial ears

Now, if you really wanted me to lead you THEN I would be nervous

I WOULD ABSOLUTELY REFUSE!!!!

[transitions4]

Becoming stronger in all good and wonderful ways is what I encourage.
as i said before "for me nagual is the position of teacher that shows student spirit, spirit moves the ap but the teacher moves the ap too,"

i see that if you are able to move the ap, then you are set to become a teacher to others, it is the way power works - its like levelling up, evolving awareness. for me, being a nagual would be the ability to teach others to perceive the world of energy, to encourage fluidity and move their ap - or spirit moves their ap, however you look at it.. i dont see myself as a leader, i see myself as a teacher, in whatever capacity, i can teach anyone, if i want to. when spirit descended, and spirit started to move me, spirit moved me to move others ap, i saw opportunities to teach and to practice my art, see i love to teach and i am in my element when i teach.. and this is always a mutual exchange of power, the student gains knowledge and claims knowledge as power and i gain power from teaching, as i am learning at the same time, and claiming knowledge as power, . i teach others well -  and stalking the position of nagual has given me many ideas and evolved my teaching abilities, it is very powerful and i would encourage it. i also like to learn a great deal, the nagual is always learning and as serloco pointed out with drunken nagual, does not have plan when it comes to hunting power, the nagual is actively learning from the environment, learning when teaching as well. and also teaching, when they don't even realise it, some times!

you seem to add the word 'leader' and frame the position as a position of superiority, undesirable to you, 'just not interested', and also as something similar to what castaneda described, i do not see the same world as castaneda,  and i dont see the nagual position as something that someone would try to achieve to feel better about themselves, if you consider yourself a teacher then the way i see it the nagual is the archetype or the model, all other teachers come from the nagual, you cannot teach guitar without being on the road to becoming a nagual, all teachers are potential naguals and guitar teachers would not exist without naguals that came first.

what if spirit showed you that becoming stronger, for yourself, would be to teach others as a nagual? would you refuse it?

[Sacateca]

I no longer live by 'what if' scenarios. The Spirit has put me through hell and continues to do so.I may give certain suggestions, but I've learned suffering for doing good is the price I must pay to make quick progress with Intent.
I wouldn't put my worst enemies through what I have and am going through, period!

There are great joys in becoming stronger in the Spirit. However, there is so much pain to deal with and overcome.
I'm not going to even get into that. I am constrained not to complain, but damn!!!!
I spend way too much time looking for things that I cannot find and I'm so sick and tired of this fucking prank!!!
One day I feel I will get strong enough to grab whoever is pulling this **** on me by the fucking throat
and I'm going to squeeze until their fucking eyes pop out!!!!

Enough of that ****!!!!

[Genardo Sacateca]

A child is born and goes through insanity for quite a while.Their assemblage point is fluid and moving all over the place.
They are assembling world after world after world and it is only the love of their parents
that gives them some sort of grounding point in the madness they are experiencing.

Eventually their assemblage point becomes fixed at a certain point
and they can FINALLY start to make sense of what they are experiencing.
To dislodge someone's assemblage point is VERY DANGEROUS!!!
You just may drive them stark, raving, straight-jacket insane!!

I've learned that once a person becomes strong enough
the Spirit will guide the dislodging of the assemblage point in a sober and deliberate manner.
The goal for me is to continue to move my assemblage point to positions where life becomes more wonderful.
There are positions to move the assemblage point where you attract all manner of good and wonderful things.

The most important key is to move the assemblage point slowly and anchor it in the new position
even as a rock climber anchors himself at each new position. To dislodge your assemblage point in weakness
while using power plants, for example, is VERY DANGEROUS you may never find a stable, solid position again.
Oh, you may learn to see energy, but you will be functionally insane. Not worth it, if you ask me

[transitions4]

The Spirit has put me through hell and continues to do so.
if i can offer a suggestion, i would refrain from intending spirit to 'continue' to put you thru hell, i know you probably see that, yet you are perpetuating the intent..

i found that i was going through difficult times yet i learnt that it was my intent that made it difficult, i intended difficulty, i could only say things like 'things are too difficult for me', i learnt that you can shift and say that it is easy, that even if you think it will be difficult, it will be easy. for me life is not suffering, unless you say 'life is suffering', i intend ease and well being, things are easy for me cos thats what i intend, yet i am pushing myself beyond my limits at all times, also solutions can arise from inner silence, knowledge and power.. i learnt you can make things easy for yourself or difficult, the amount of work is the same

[Sacateca]

Yes, indeed. I have no choice except to take responsibility for all I attract and manifest in my life.I am working towards attracting and manifesting more wonderful things.
The Spirit has been very good to me. My sufferings for doing good have not been in vain.
I realize that if my Gifts of the Spirit are not earned they will not be appreciated for long

I've been having much success in Intending to find things that disappear and finding them more quickly!
So, that is something worth celebrating. I have not come here to share my problems, but I agree with your general premise.
However, I find that I am being led to become MUCH STRONGER as a Martial Artist and bodybuilder.
Chances are you don't workout and don't have a gym membership. We are not the same in our Intent.

I've been working towards manifesting a mastery of self-healing and it is not easy for me.
I've done very well, but not well enough for my particular needs.
That is the core of my borderline obsessive desire: To become a master at the art of self-healing.
I'm still recovering from a horrendous injury. I spent about 23 hours a day bedridden for MONTHS!!!
That's the most I will say about this except that I created quite a number of CrazyTalk animator videos.
It was the main thing I could do while bedridden. Here's one of them:

THE HAL 12,000 COMPUTER:

http://www.youtube.com/v/_BCj82ErQzk&ve ... tube_gdata

[transitions4]

i wish you all the best, good luck in your quest. yes, i have found that to be immersed, focused on learning an ability is the best way, i dont look at it as obsession, i see it as passion or devotion. i am also learning of my body's self-healing ability, it can heal itself instantly, or shift to a state of perfect health, i asked my ally to teach me healing and i learnt that it is not really 'healing' but more of cleaning the energy, dissapating the negative perceptions, i find that a position of well being is what i am aiming for, the body is a projection if you see it that way i am learning this..

[transitions4]

i wondered about how the position of nagual relates to autonomy and am getting a clearer picture,the nagual is a lone wolf, and follows spirit, i see that reducing external influences allows for spirit to show the nagual things, the spirit is the abstract and what autonomy means here is that the nagual is a fluid being, getting fluidity from the ability to perceive spirit, the mover of all things.. the nagual represents autonomy by being on their own, reliant only on their own abilities, they learn from spirit directly anything they want, as such are no longer reliant on 'teachers', they demonstrate the example of autonomy to everyone in their world, and show their freedom through their actions

[Sacateca]

AND YET SOMETHING ELSE THAT HAS BEEN HIDDEN ON ME
Very funny, whoever you are.

Expect to be caught when you least expect it, ****!!!

THEN YOU ARE GOING TO PAY!!!!

I AM suddenly inspired to share a story:

MANY, MANY years ago, my wife, son and I moved into a nice rented house on a hill.
Apparently, we had just gotten the keys to the place. We had come in two cars.
The house was locked and I was about to leave when I decided to go back into the house.
I believe my wife had the other key.

So, I start looking for the house key and can't find it.
I look and look and look until I am half-crazy with rage and anger!!!!!!
Finally, I give up and drive back to our old house to get ready to start moving.
I come back a day later and decide to check around the house again for the key.

I suddenly see a black bumblebee on the grass.
The bumblebee flies away and right underneath the bumblebee...

IS THE MISSING KEY!!!!

I'm doing my best to recapitulate this matter carefully.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED!!!!

The key was right out in the open in a place I must have 
previously checked over 100 times!!!!!!

I don't remember being angry when this happened,
I was...too astonished!!!!!

It's much more difficult for these invisible pranksters
to hide big things, but things like keys are a favorite.
Apparently, they want me to rage.
So, if I refuse to rage...

What the hell

I either rage or refuse to rage

Which serves me better?

I'd say to be peaceful about the matter is more useful

I'll just buy more keys

*** it


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[serloco]

When moving someone assemblage position you move them to a position you intend. You dont have scary nor dangerous positions to align to. Why would anyone make it dangerous?

[Sacateca]

HERE'S THE THING
about the story I shared:

The key, under the black Bumblebee

was glittering like polished gold, in the sun.

THERE WAS NO POSSIBLE WAY I COULD HAVE MISSED IT!!!

Such are the two keys that disappeared today

They are freshly made!!!

THEY WOULD GLEAM LIKE GOLD IN THE SUN!!!

and now they have completely disappeared

just when I was writing about this paranormal phenomenon


I am reminded of the movie the Amityville Horror.

The guy has a roll of bills to pay for a wedding reception, I believe.

It rolls under the couch and he goes to look for it

and goes half-insane because he can't find it.

I remember him finally screaming in rage something like

'WHERE IS THAT MONEY!!!!!'

When I saw that scene in the movie I was recapitulatedly 'jolted'

as I remember SO MANY TIMES IN MY LIFE that similar things have happened.

As I think about that movie I remember the man's rage over the situation

eventually led to him becoming possessed by invisible 'inorganic' entities.

So, it is logical to conclude that by being calm and casually not caring

I am safe from such possession


LET ME BE HONEST!!!!


I decided to play out the scenario of what I would do

if I could have my way, over these matters of disappearing stuff.

I let my imagination fly free to see the final outcome of how I would react.


In this imagination free scenario in my mind


I saw myself breaking ever single guitar I own.

I saw myself destroying all the equipment I own

INCLUDING MY COMPUTER

and then taking a sharp Ginsu knife...

AND SLITTING MY THROAT; DYING IN A POOL OF BLOOD!!!

That is what I feel those who pull these pranks on me are trying to accomplish!!!

So, to react with casual calm determined to get another set of keys

and not get upset about the matter

Seems to be the only available solution

at my current personal power level