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Dan: death defiers have 5 billions of years left..
ad Tenant:
if you have read carefully, Tenant was a guy who escaped "inorganic beings" first after a longer stay with them (thousands of years, he was extremely lucky to escape), so he was prisoner 5000 BC - 1700 AD, and then he started visiting naguals in Mexico, 1776 AD became a Tenant with DJMs lineage. Or he would die ! and be processed by "Eagle" according to the energy. He is a sport.
The news are that they did something willful together with our Carlitos, and i have warned you about that..
its active side. so do not be stupid. CCs books are a joke ! a cruel hoax !
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so the lesser death defiers have 5 billions of years left..
(btw there is also this only one mythic sorcerer who has escaped the destruction of previous physical universe, so you can escape further and longer as a sport anyway, nothing against an appetite of any comrade ,)))
but only until this loka ends.. then you must pack yourself to higher loka (it is a rupa-loka)
i am gonna bye bye, i am leaving, i must run now
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Eagle was a joke on you..
its Universe itself.
side note:
you can get much deeper into that with atiyoga/dzogchen. it is a buddhist sorcery/knowledge. its billions of years old. practised in the 13 galaxies in this physical universe (known by science/telescopes) according to ancient scriptures.
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"But to DJ he thought of it as a cemetery in the sense of a dead end, where naguals and other dreamers who could not “reach the completion of their energy” (note: not energy body!) end up “confined” to an energy body!"
The "bifurcation", and as you see, all the people, every body is involved into this Universe/Infinity.
the fork for people practicing sorcery 1), 2) 3).................... (1. is the "total fredom", the completion of the energy, merging the two luminous spheres together)
who could not “reach the completion of their energy” 1) (note: not energy body!) end up “confined” to an energy body 2)
or become demons 3) (the most common, 99 % percent of people failing in sorcery)
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4) Dissolution into Universe (nagual) * * - buddhist knowledge (the primordial basis of Universe/Buddha basis)
But to DJ he thought of it as a cemetery in the sense of a dead end, where naguals and other dreamers who could not “reach the completion of their energy” (note: not energy body!) end up “confined” to an energy body!
from this thread by Lex/Dreamways: you can skip the ponderings around Lujan.
http://nagual.yuku.com/re...nned-by-Lujan#reply-3771
"Tonal ends with death, but nagual continues.." - DJ
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* - buddhist knowledge (the primordial basis of Universe)
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This is the description on Infinity, on energy - a circle map (math model/bifurcation) notice that behind all the energy/consciousness in the Universe, is a basis, a plateau, from which all the total energy fields emanates, not only Eagle segment, but all the three lokas, it is a Buddha basis.
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what you do with your life, with your energy, is your karma=action. Universe "remembers" and "recognizes" everything.
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WHERE I AM GRAVITATING WITH MY ENERGY AND MY INTENT ? (my energetic/intent action=karma)
the most important question: in reality/nagualism
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CI5 wrote:
Very important note: with sorcery, with people doing sorcery, it is very common they die and become demons, i.e. the demon class.
I.e. their energy body does not leave intact as an original entity, but it is trasformed into demon in the death, as it has acquired its characteristics.
So it is not a ghost at hold-on, but the original entity.
THE OBVIOUS FACT is that ones energy body ("soul") is acquiring characteristics and being transformed to the edge during life as a human, as a sorcerer. Then in death it is transferred like that. This is the death defier class. It is not "freedom".
not all the "death defiers" are same, like the second Indian "Death Defier"/Tenant from Castanedas books. But this is this class. (They cant get beyond kama-loka borders to realms of Gods).
Notice: transference is the term for what happens with your energy body (soul) when you die and you are not a "death defier" class.
would a translation for this be that they are infact westerly nagual men in the medicine wheel?
Demons afterall if not a ghost are the deep life of earth pulsing through today with the power of aligned lifeforce!
demonic even!
although i dont se ewhy they must die.. westerly naguals channel this while alive!
My argument with the westerly nagual man is that he has so much demonic power that it could be said he holds the habitual assemblage position on its current course and so is responsible for its rigidity, its petrification in line with the root of all our disease!
in my mind it is the westerly nagual most of all who must become a warrior..
too many are happy to be weird, obscure and secretive in their lives... whhe n if they traversed the riddle sof man.. then the perfection of the demon could be kept, but its impact on the tonal.. or indeed its passage through its effects could alter.
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Rosy: yes, that analogy fits. as the people are not aware, could be messing with everything around, especially westernly naguals.
do You mean actually 4-pronged and 3-pronged westernly naguals or just a "western man" ?
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are you prepared for that ?
The fact here is that DEATH is end of one life, completely. end of one life. THE END. the end of tonal. end of you.
however nagual (energy body) enters the arena... this the encounter with Infinity. the last battle in the Cosmos. at least, it will be that last. so why not to encounter it now ? why not to face it now ? the Infinity. why to be food the whole life and then what..
it is separated like that already, one is not aware of ones left side, of ones energy body soul. and then bang !! you got it noob ! headshot. carcrash .and now you are there... good luck ! :-)
where is your energy body (nagual, soul) now ? where is it imprisoned ?
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on Death.
its totally clear that death is a final Battle. encounter with Infinity.
i had a slight look into comparative frame, Tibet/Egypt interface - this Egyptian and Tibetan book of dead (+ old Jews/Greeks, Maya, Sumer, Persians) interface), and its patently clear, that AS EVERYBODY dies, EVERYBODY is entering a battle !!!!
e.g. one is killed, body is dead, and then what ? energy body/soul (double) is in the Space somewhere fighting ! (it is up to 49 earth days only, but as it is in Infinity, after that the fight is ended with a result !
AND i can tell you one thing !!!! that fight, that encounter with Infinity is pretty awesome !!!!!!!!!!! TERROR is an euphemism for that !!!!
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CI5 wrote:Rosy: yes, that analogy fits. as the people are not aware, could be messing with everything around, especially westernly naguals.
do You mean actually 4-pronged and 3-pronged westernly naguals or just a "western man" ?
I dont mean a non-aware westerly nagual man..
I mean a westerly nagual man who can complete his destiny without warriorship can still benefit by inspiring others into warriorship! (thats why they are scary).
I am certainly not one to attempt to belittle something as incalculably evil as a westerly nagual man!
evolution is an unknown and changing quotient..
the westerly nagual man can appreciate changing calculations of perfection when his fellow men become warriors!
i dont think 4 pronged naguals can really be relegated to one direction...
a 4 pronged westerly nagual man with a predilection for the westerly would only do so under an even greater command..and i would like to think he would be happy to shift easterly if only to prove competance at four prongedness from other orientation! B
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three prongedness sounds like a tonal severence to me!
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We are food for the Eagle, the great equalizer. Our Self created is a facet of and a sacrifice to continuity in itself. Awareness retrogrades to a stasis. It is kept by abandonment of it . Not a nothingness but an inconceivable greater than.
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dont forget that as awarness EVOLVES over time! That the eagle consumes an incrementaly changing source of awarness!
The jump to infinity will NEVER carry with it the known of today!
which begs the question- what is a lauchpad into the unknown?
I believe it to be the destruction of negative attributes of the habitual condition!
othwise their is no orientation to the future!
no future- no evolution- no infinity!
In fact YOu have already been eaten by the eagle unless you change this lifetime!
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rosygyro wrote:
dont forget that as awarness EVOLVES over time! That the eagle consumes an incrementaly changing source of awarness!
Awareness evolves with our progression into the UNKNOWN. That which does not evolve is food for the eagle.
rosygyro wrote:
The jump to infinity will NEVER carry with it the known of today! which begs the question-what is a launchpad into the unknown?
That which is known (our point of evolution from progression into the UNKNOWN) is a launchpad at death into the UNKNOWABLE.
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how can the westerly nagual man who guards the POWER of inherant awarness change the perfection of his force?
The leap into infinity can only be done with inherant awarness intact, or its gravity will drag the warrior back into the earth or into the gaze of the eagle!
I believe that mankind and earth has two futures..
one of perhaps 30-35 years
and one of perhaps 10,000+ years.
the westerly nagual man is a force of nature...
could he not JUST strike the people who are in line with a planetary potential.
there is onyl one backdoor on the westerly void... JIGGLE
JIGGLE!
SPLAT!
maybe he can chuck a stone out to get in the way of idiots who will lead us all to destruction.
I do not think that it is techniclly a leap to infinity.. if the infinite awarness is merley contrast to an extinct human race!
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the reason is ay 30-35 years
versus
10,000 years
Is that i believe a radical shift in consiousness can occur which will act like a switch!
none of this gradual improving potential energy.. a TRIGGER!
The death defier for instance..is set to transmute...
Not bakc into human form through reincarnaincarnation
and not to jump off the planet to infinity!
but instead to begin reworking his awarness through the new realms of lateral and dimensional "global intelligence" as humanity awakens.
this principle of offering the "extended beings" of our earth other options is a vital principle!
there are sorceric beings who operate and live within "NICHES" in our world..
although some niches are part of timeless humanity and can run parralel to our species for another 10,000 years and technically be part of such sorcerers infinite journey..
others are unfortunatly misguided backdoors onto disease or fear or sobriety.. or pockets of uselss dreaming, rogue memories etc..
the spiritual strength these people had in life is not at question.. but the application of their awarness is.
i like to think of myself as a facilitator to the INFINITE JOURNEY of such sorcerers who became lost as the world changed over the centuries.
grinding the power out of them!
turning it into alignment in time!
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It is clear that energy body/soul is a vehicle of travel, of transference, of "rebirth" - it is pretty obvious how the idea of "reincarnation" is misleading, as it is the energy body/soul transfer/travel, the migration of energy bodies (soul), the transmigration. hence the critical idea to take care of ones soul (the meaning of nagualism), or even taking the infinite journey (leap to infinity), the dream of sorcerers (naguals).
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According to the Mexica, if we die a normal death, we go on a four year journey to the underworld of Mictlan where we face mythic feats, at the end of which we find eternal rest. Another story goes that if we die the soul in our heart becomes guardians of the places that are wild around our area of life, and our tonalli dies, eaten up by the eagle if we can't swing by. We may ascend as the toltecs did and become stones as the ones in Tula, or we may become butterflies and hummingbirds, as legend goes. Now, where would I like to go? To Tlalocan. Why? Because it's the most beautiful place on this planet, and is a real destination after death. It really exists, in the infraworld just beyond conscious awareness, out there in the SSC, near but far. It is a place that is in the lower world and in the sky at the same time. It's in the earth and celestial at the same time. Telluric-Cosmic energies. You go there if you drown, hit by lightining, or chosen by Tlaloc to be with him on the other side. But the soul, as well as the consciousness, is truly eternal, as in the Judeo-Christian tradition. We could go wherever we want after we die, if we die a good death, and resurrect from the depths of the abyss with full, conscoius awareness. We lose our consciousness to a certain extent when we reincarnate, but we could easily recover those lost pieces with some regression work or recapitulation into another life-time. I'm going to continue counting the calendar in the netherworld or infraworld wherein I could be reborn 1-Rain or Ce-Quiahuitl on the calendar, thereby being reborn as the prototypical nahualli. Or 1-Wind, 1=Lizard, 1=Death, 1-Grass, and 1-Flint. Such are the days. We control karma, us and god and his messangers, the guardian angels and protectors of a lower order. They could communicate the true laws of karma. We need not be a death defier as Castaneda put it, because, if you believe in Christianity, or any other religion that includes eternal life after death. We are simply spirits stuck in a human body. We're to be angels, but our primitiveness doesn't let us advance. We need to develop our psychic abilities and live a good, healthy life full of transcendent moments, then we'll be reassured a good after life. But my final destination is Mictlan, if I don't have a choice about it. I'll return every Dia de los Muertos.
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Welcome Back Teo its good to see you.
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I think it is quite amusing..
as there is ONE central image.. and then FOUR QUARTERS.
the wrestle is death but also time..
To a sorcerer.. his energy body is self percieved as a mass of tentacles within the sorcerers world.
to a WARRIOR the sorcerers world is a mass of tentacles of which he is a human latched on in the present as MALKUT moves in MEST.
its all in perspective...
a sorcerer sees himself as in the hidden room grapplin normal mens awarness
the warrior sees himself as an immpeccable being grappling the sorcerers world.
the man who rules the tentacles
the man who wrestles the tentacles
are the energetic twins, the doubles.
it is all in angle of approach.
death the leveller is a reaping of ones own actions as intent folds in on itself!
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p.s. the glyph normally known as FLINT is the SEXUAL ENERGY NODE.. and not flint at all.. you only have to look at the codex nuttal and its relationship to the feminine and the PRIEST to tell you that.
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of course if a man was to know it was sexual power and then translate it as flint or earth to laymen and normal men would be a terrible and unforgivable abuse of the truth and an invasion of earth... its why as an honourable man i am bound to say...SOME groups of sorcerers are not so impeccable.
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