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Many questions and some I believe you already know the answers to. Allies that can manifest in our reality can be everywhere. The best way I know to find them is to go out into the wilderness but then I have always lived on the outskirts of civilizations. In the city are many inorganic spirits, they just are ones that often are not ones to meet. The councilor is not the ally and is one of the most mysterious things about us. Allies can read your thoughts and respond with their input into your thoughts but the councilor can be silent knowledge or the foreign installation, the trick is to know the difference!
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yes theres a mention from don juan in a separate Reality... where he said through his Seeing, he has noticed many allies walking around populated areas.
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Nagual LoneWolf wrote:
Many questions and some I believe you already know the answers to. Allies that can manifest in our reality can be everywhere. The best way I know to find them is to go out into the wilderness but then I have always lived on the outskirts of civilizations. In the city are many inorganic spirits, they just are ones that often are not ones to meet. The councilor is not the ally and is one of the most mysterious things about us. Allies can read your thoughts and respond with their input into your thoughts but the councilor can be silent knowledge or the foreign installation, the trick is to know the difference!
Ok. so allies can be "allies" also for the foreing installation because of the parasitic relationship of this last one into human shape.
I remember an explanation given by silvio manuel regarding allies: described as energies that human beings sometimes called angels or demons.
So i presume that he referred to allies and not other not organic beings.
Reasoning ab absurdum: once lost human shape, what force us not to parasite the fkyer itself?
Not for vengeance, but for having the amount of huge energy the stocked for millennia? :-)
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Hahah..good point! Eilias yes there were many references to the allies among people. The allies can be allies but they also can be demons..I so agree.
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The flyer.. the parasite111
QUESTION.. Is the flyer specific to places and people..
like a pack of dogs running accross the countryside.. impacting the unwary..
or is it a singular force connected to the habitual assemblage position..?
What i mean is..
THEORETICLY...
If everyone stopped the world and looked AT the flyer...
would we have one each..
or have a gargantuan monster on our hands..??
also if there are many...
is their collective ruled by a specific direction?
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rosygyro wrote:
The flyer.. the parasite111
QUESTION.. Is the flyer specific to places and people..
like a pack of dogs running accross the countryside.. impacting the unwary..
or is it a singular force connected to the habitual assemblage position..?
What i mean is..
THEORETICLY...
If everyone stopped the world and looked AT the flyer...
would we have one each..
or have a gargantuan monster on our hands..??
also if there are many...
is their collective ruled by a specific direction?
This is even more interesting of my previous ab absurdum question.
My new one: as flyer are inorganic beings it is supposed that they survive to the parasite human beings they feed from.
After the death of this one, they move to another one I presume.
But as I have understood the matter, they parasite individually, even if one human being have more tan one flyer. Do this means that there is a specific reason for this feeding choice?
“Maybe the same fact for which we should move our AP as an individual?”
Is it possible that some collective fyier exist?
Moreover, are they able to pass form parents to sons, in the generational lineage? (like trauma spirits in Siberian shamanism)?
Thank you very much,
Naga
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way to ask a question over the top of mine that makes less sense... good work!
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Why,
it is why and not way
for me it has, and i do not asked to you because you do not have this answer.
Nice day
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quote dreamways:
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It doesn't really matter who his specific party members are, because
somebody like this is powerful enough to act as a nagual for anyone.
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you mean - giving a free ride to all volunteers?
wow, what a short cut!
being one's nagual, belonging in a warriors party - it's not just playing sock-puppets!
or is it?
[edited 1 time by me, for the quote doesn't get framed - tried to fix it and failed. added lines manually/ guess it is another mess-up with the definitions of my user - not at all the first in yuku, or in this board. hey, leech, i'm sick of you.]
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charlila wrote:
quote dreamways:
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It doesn't really matter who his specific party members are, because somebody like this is powerful enough to act as a nagual for anyone.
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you mean - giving a free ride to all volunteers?
wow, what a short cut!
being one's nagual, belonging in a warriors party - it's not just playing sock-puppets!
or is it?
[edited 1 time by me, for the quote doesn't get framed - tried to fix it and failed. added lines manually/ guess it is another mess-up with the definitions of my user - not at all the first in yuku, or in this board. hey, leech, i'm sick of you.]
THE NAGUALS WISH is simple.. He wishes all life to flow in a manner which is life supportive...
The nagual may be an infinitley intelligent being..And in many ways he is himself a puppet of power... in that he cannot act in a contrary fashion to the truth of power as it flows in the universe..
However the universe is evolving... and the nagual man is not just a LAWSPEAKER.. he is also a growing and evolving part of life.. and just as all mankind has the freedom to both make mistakes as well as make intelligent decisions.. So does the nagual man..
because the nagual man is able to fulfill all the stalking and dreaming positions male and female around the toltec or warrior unit... he has an incredible understnding of the interelationships within the group..
and as these interelationships are present between all people of differnt dreaming directions regardless of wether they are within a toltec unit... He also sees flows within humanity at large...
obviously on a microscopic level these patterns can also be seen mirrored within the habitual position...as representative of all human relationships in the dense physical world!
So i must agree with dreamways....
"you mean - giving a free ride to all volunteers?
wow, what a short cut!"
Essentially... all warriors and spirit workers must work to acheive the knowledge and clarity to make a jump to freedom... And no man on earth let alone a nagual man has the right to prevent an individual from studying challenege in order to gain intelligence...
There is an inner rejction to being taught that many people have... we prefer to teach ourselves..
However if the specific set of challeneges or teaching you wish to study are in some way obselete to the interrelationship of life... Then equally the nagual cannot let you struggle without the possibility of fruition...as it is deemed inefficient...
so in some instances a free-ride is offered...
Human beings thrive on intensity of awarenesss... sex, drugs, music, deppresion, psychosis, violent tendencies, paranoia, illness, heath trips,knowledge... All are if not a deliberate search for intensity... Tend to be an intensity we cannot control...
The nagual will not limit your intensity of life or feeling by giving you a free ride.In fact often the position in "tonal change" you are dropped into is so ludicrously intense you often laugh as you wish it wasnt happening! often it will take the form of parralel situations.And were it not for the fact you learn so much from the naguals definition of intensity im certain you would complain you would rather teach yourself!
However if you INTENT is to be achieve freedom..
it is your INTENT the naguals enacts through..
If your WILL is to learn something a certain way... The nagual will destroy it, if it is out of alignment with your intent!
Hows that for a free ride!
Ive always loved this piece of knowledge.. since i was eleven..
its in every plant.. and describes how we change our tonal over time...
The truth is we know we are heading toward something..death) and we know that our self image is not describing the truth of it to us...
yet somehow we are inextricable drawn through time toward our END!
Parts of us..(like auxins) move and change inresponse to something we do not control...
our physical mortal existence is steered from within..
although an energetic person can effect movements of his assemblage...
The greater procession toward our death still has very strong guiding factors..
"long term responses to our environment"
I often wonder if there are any life long portions of the physical that respond to our end-date.. That are guided by awarness rather than just inner makeup!
It is evident that there are portions of the habitual assemblage that no physical being can escape..
However there is a clause.. in that spiritually and energeticly aware people.. can "tread carefully"...
It seems apparent that it is the unknown poritons of our material assemblage that causes old age and decay..
As warriors we can become aware of portions of the general unknown we wish not to utilise...
the problem comes when everyone else still utilises them.. we are thrown into a form of contrast with the habitual assemblage..
and as such become "non-relative" to others...
also some would call this the innaccessibility of the stalker...
from a warriors unit perspective it also isolates the practitioner from the collective con-joined purpose of the group...
and even if the entire group shared the same "immortalist" ideals..
then that entire group would become isolated from the greater nagual focus... and hence lose awarnesss..
we are in many ways even if we are aware.. TRapped on our planet... untill we can find away to awaken not just ourselves.. but also re-kindle the nagual focus in all relationships between dream directions..
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charlila wrote:quote dreamways:
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It doesn't really matter who his specific party members are, because
somebody like this is powerful enough to act as a nagual for anyone.
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you mean - giving a free ride to all volunteers?
wow, what a short cut!
How can you volunteer if you aren't able to find him? There is your volunteer filter right there.
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A declaration of intent!
E.G.
"I pledge my east and my future to life and nothingness"
"may the irrational force of chaos shred my total MEST form to transmutation of the tonal"
"challenge be todays torture but tommorows joyfull peacemaker"
"may my lies unto myself be reflected inwards to become stalkers lessons"
If the goal of my life is an infinite journey,. then make every step of life an immpecable and efficient force upon my mind, my heart and my spirit!
"should i fail in my task.. kill me swiftly so i can be reborn tommorow to try again!
This is my declaration of intent.
say it clearly enough.. and you will find the nagual standing next to you uttering the same...
we may be individuals in the abyss.. but we share a common predilection..
RAAAAAH!
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in contrast.. a non warrior says something like this..
"i am spiritually stronger and more fluid than others..
it is my individuality that will hold my presence together after my death!
everyone else is not fluid.. and i am special!
Raaahh,cough...hic..
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"A warrior is prepared to make his final stand right here right now"
If at any point your life is not going to make it to an infinite journey...
you must intend that such points in your life are fuelled by the naguals force..
there is no point in living an easy life that goes nowhere even if you have high hopes..
tradegy must be invited as an element of divine change...
it is patentley obvious that any dependency on perception of others as externals is a waste of intent!
past our deaths.. our eyes cannot possibly be the same...
so we cannot rely on any vision of life...
other than our own truth within our individual existence...
our attachment to judging others.. once our physical body dies.. is lost!
but the patterns in our awarness still remain as our song...
it is vital to make certain that the tools of awarness you make in life,,
have a possibility of adapting totally once your body dies..
or you will just be re-absorbed into the living maze.. or the eagle.
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The problem with awarness tools you make in life that are of the mind...
is that they do not have any purpose within a fluid assemblage position..
and as such will become mind patterns that those of the desire to seek knowledge..
will latch onto same.. eventually becoming a form of "sorceric" social conditioning..
which brings us to the death defier.. or xoxo...
who although inhabiting the areas of perception a knowledge seeker desires..
is not either a dead mind.. or a vampiric section of a dead sorcerer..
although xoxo.. is alive.. the question remains..
as to wether he would prefer to have a concrete physical form in our time...
and also.. just what in his students concrete physical forms does xoxo a) wish to mimic.. b) drain of energy.
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Naga wrote:Goodmorning to everyone! I have many questions about these matters. How can we define Manuel a Nagual? Socially and energetically (as reported by CC) Don Juan had these feautures, Manule even if powerfull was defined not a Nagual. I only ask where do you find references to affirm this. Regarding allies, I have met a young pepole that affirm to have some allies. He knows very well CC and his own philisophy, but I wonder: having allies could be surely an essential step to have a third point of perception, but if you get them with desire of your self immage, what this will generate? Other question: how get allies? He will decide to touch the human being? Or it is necessary to impose your voluntee during the re-search? For the one who talked about Wotan, I can add that to me this God seems to be the prototype of a Nagual, or better a master of stalking and "magic"
My introduction to Manuel was through inorganic beings in dreaming, I had asked them to show such a person to me if he existed, and that was the result. When I discussed it privately with Lone Wolf, he was able to confirm details about Manuel that I had never posted, so I knew that I was not the only one seeing him in dreaming. We both agree that he is probably the most powerful Nagual on Earth at this time, but I'm not saying that anyone must follow him or do anything with this information, it is just shared information from dreaming for anyone to read.
I personally have to take a whole handful of medication each day just to stay alive, so I'm more focused on wrapping things up than I am on moving South of the border to find him right now, otherwise I probably would. I woke up this morning with the area over my heart burning, which is new, so I guess it is back to the doctor for more good news. Even though I quit all bad habits and lost over 80 pounds through dieting over the past 2 years, my health is plummeting anyway. I say this because, before I became mortally ill, I thought I had all the time in the world to do nothing, I'm just suggesting people get out from behind their computers and check things out personally while they can. I used to do that sort of thing when I was younger and those were some of the most amazing experiences of my life.
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Dreamways I admire your warrior intent an it mirrors my own when I asked "How do I get power? How do I connect with the nagual? My answer : Out there. Sorry to hear of your health battles old friend.-nlw
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I think I saw the Nagual Manuel the other day in dreaming.
He looked like this:
I watch too much television, I know.
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so what are the details of nagual manuel? aside from being centered in brazil and having a blue butterfly death defier for companion? o yeah, and being really powerful
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another spirit wrote  o what are the details of nagual manuel? aside from being centered in brazil and having a blue butterfly death defier for companion? o yeah, and being really powerful
I finally figured out who and where he was exactly, in the physical world, and was able to send him a message requesting permission to talk about him. So, now I'm just waiting for him to respond.
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well, it looks like he is ignoring my request, which sort of surprised me, but it speaks more for this generation and what they have and don't have available to them. i think it started with howard lee, being very superstitious and terrified of the death defier, and it seems manuel is following in that direction.
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well i dont like the nagual manuel!
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rosygyro wrote:well i dont like the nagual manuel!
well, there is nothing i hate worse than a sorcerer who denies being one, so i may just have to out this jack ass now.
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