The Nagual Manuel

[dreamways]

another spirit wrote:i see blood in those eyes. blood as a substitute for power
sounds interesting, can you elaborate on that please.

[Eilias123]

Had a rather abstract dream about manuel last night. Apperntly I've been pointed out to a few of becoming a four pronged Nagual. In this dream our energy bodies seemed to be sized up. His was much larger than mine, but still the same feeling that we are both Naguals.

[rosygyro]

So ELIAS 123.
Are you a Nagual in training then?


I hear.. according to theun mares..
That it takes man many many lifetimes to complete a nagual training..
during which he is testetd emotionally and mentally and physically again and again..
over the thousands of lifetimes wether born as man or woman..
The nagual will be tortured and abused.. mentally broken and savaged by petty tyrants..
lifetime after lifetime the nagual.. just ends up a patch of broken madness and despair..
a nothingless wretch in human form.. devoid of power and devoid of peace!
for once the NAGUAL retracts from an apprentice..
there is only the known left inside his tonal..THE VOID IS SEALED.


The only thing that keeps a nagual alive is that which inertia cannot destroy.. or life..
But to find the key to life the nagual must destroy himself whilst still in a human body.


Its the equivalent in mental and emotional terms of taking.. every ounce of yourself...
taking your bones and breaking them one by one until no whole bones remain..
and then collecting the 200 plus CRACKS.. and mixing them in a pot!
then seeing what you can break of yourself with your essence of premanifestation of breakage and pain.
If not a bone..
and with this bottle of mortal damage... The apprentice nagual TENDS to his own wounds.. not yet made..
and waits with eager excitement for the proof of power in destruction...
eventually the apprentice nagual has so much DEATH existing outside his cocoon just queing up to destroy him..
that when the nagual force retracts as it does mid life..
his void cannot be sealed as a BRIDGE of power has been made.. by his own subjective INTENT
and his tonal cannot remain totally in the known!..


The void precedes the yellow ROSE of manifestation..
And manifestation precedes the known.


The interesting thing about this.. is that a NORMAL MAN is ruled by the known subjective to the rose
wheras a failed nagual is ruled by the known that is "left over" once the nagual has retracted...
in essence he is a female....
but not just any female..
a female perpetually caught in a friction *** with his own male parts...
balance is the key!

[Eilias123]

Rosy, your post just summed up my fucking day, petty tyrants at all. Thanks man.

[rosygyro]

Why are not petty tyrants subject to the same laws of manifestation...

they seem to be "attatched" to the flawless power of the eagle..

if only for those in training!?

[rosygyro]

Why are not petty tyrants subject to the same laws of manifestation...

they seem to be "attatched" to the flawless power of the eagle..

if only for those in training!?

[rosygyro]

I can only presume that the nagual in training.. as he is supposed to percieve energy as it flows in the universe..

needs to SHRINK his world.. so that all people in his circle of contact.. or ALL members of his unit.. REPRESENT all walks of life..

As such this intensification can make personal relationships extremeley powerful..

but also extremeley confusing..



when the entire west .. is channelled through a person you know as a friend.. by lieu of the naguals flows.. it can be very frightening!

of course its fine for men and women of power..who are objective to such.. "birds eye" views of microcosmic pattern..

but still..

If the entire west is triggered.. and you yourself are a nagual in training..

you MUST feel the total human condition as it rESPONDS..

and for one man to epitonise sucha flow is incredibly strenuous..

and often we find.. that irrational belief or stress about a situation is part of our own energtic need to adjust..

rather than what is actually taking place...

i.e. it is easy to become paranoid or jealous, or angry..

not because you are these things.. but because they facillitate your expression of perhaps a "mean" response.. or typical response that includes perhaps thousands of peoples energetic movement on a day to day basis!



the trick is.. that the nanosecond the emotional panic passes.. is to become aware of the energetic change that just happened.. and not to justify recent emotion..as anything but a brief flash of attunement!..

[rosygyro]

of course as everyone except failed naguals is directly responsive to the rose of manifestation...

we must presume it is the failed naguals who are petty tyrants...



however we cannot consider them severed from life.. as they have spent a proportion of their lives in touch with the VOID.. and even their failings speak volumes for the human condition...

Plus as the nagual is matter energy space and time.. as well as paradox.. as well as completeley unknowable...

we must consider that the petty tyrant did indeed have a chance to become a nagual..

and that as this chance would not be afforded if there was not a possibility of sucess.. that that person has qualities the nagual wishes to incorporate into the VOIDs of manifestation..



hence petty tyrants are extremeley powerful..

extremeley vindictive in terms of power over social conditioning..

but still contain a living spark of true power.. although intensified..

by the curious aspect of time created by the naguals retraction of intent earlier in the beings life.. at the point he failed to pass his test to become a living nagual!







although... And back to my own empiracle work..

I do believe that should the habitual position enn mase be moved.. that ALL petty tyrants will re-connect to the void.. At the spark of life!

[rosygyro]

we are afterall not in a hierarchial competition to become nagual..

but in search for an end to the eons longs habitual assemblage position...

the petty tyrants have served to spur apprentice naguals onward..

and the nagual will return the favour by MAKING the petty tyrants specifically move their orientation to the VOID!

[rosygyro]

SEEing as every petty tyrant is different.. in the style of nagual influence he exerts..

and that every petty tyrant failed his apprentice nagual test at some point.. according to one of the four natural enemies and one of the four cardinal directions..

there are 16 potential energies for potential energy the nagual exerts through petty tyrants..



This si regardless of wether the oerson is deliberatly tyrannical or not..

but is put simply a variety of void refence points a naguals energy can stem from...



Sometimes you can find matter points wher ethe naguals energy broke between you and petty tyrants...



for just as a handshake in malkut connects you to the flesh of a man..

there is also a mirror point within matter which becomes less diffuse..

and often the power within power objects is specifically linked to a time of change..

[another spirit]

so are you certain it is this man. what ive seen is that blood in the eyes is a sign of violence and reflection of the powers of another.

and interesting that you removed the edit option i enjoyed summer dawnes posts and wished they hadn't been edited. so thanks for the delete ye accomodater. is it the concensus that summerdawne is the tenant?

[another spirit]

the tyranny of the hunt. will break your morals down. it will cloud your most unobstructed eye. etc.

[Gonzo]

I was under the impression The Tenant, as well as Xoxonapo (one and the same?) were both death defiers, and if such, were in inorganic form. Therefore, how could Summer Dawne be The Tenant?



Perhaps I am mistaken.

[Eilias123]

Again I'm positive he's a not the tenant.

[rosygyro]

another spirit wroteo are you certain it is this man. what ive seen is that blood in the eyes is a sign of violence and reflection of the powers of another.

and interesting that you removed the edit option i enjoyed summer dawnes posts and wished they hadn't been edited. so thanks for the delete ye accomodater. is it the concensus that summerdawne is the tenant?another spirit..If indeed this man does have blood in his eyes it is a sign of his fluidity.. both for him and for you!
the red fluid you see is transmutation of resistance creating movement!
It is a sign he sees you with good intent! Had his eyes been like "white balls of bone" with bristle like spines, red at the base.
 im afraid to say you met an energy thief!.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

I would advise a tenant would be able to shift his/her assemblage point to be in a human form as that is his/her objective.

[rosygyro]

would it be time to say the old cliche..

That the eyes cannot be changed..



I think what i was describing was two types of seer really..

life and resistance based.



And a close up of the eyes on their seers or total tonal bodies..



the death defier if he has rached his objectives.

will have no total tonal body.. "giant" or otherwise!.

[dreamways]

Gonzo wrote:
I was under the impression The Tenant, as well as Xoxonapo (one and the same?) were both death defiers, and if such, were in inorganic form. Therefore, how could Summer Dawne be The Tenant?
Perhaps I am mistaken.
From what I have seen in dreaming, there are many people with death defier energy walking around in physical bodies, but the physical bodies are not being used, only the dreaming bodies of those people.  Their physical bodies are left alone to think that they are independent normal people.  Only if these folks take up dreaming do they learn that something about them is not normal, which is similar to sorcerers in general.

[Eilias123]

dreamways wrote:

From what I have seen in dreaming, there are many people with death defier energy walking around in physical bodies, but the physical bodies are not being used, only the dreaming bodies of those people.  Their physical bodies are left alone to think that they are independent normal people.  Only if these folks take up dreaming do they learn that something about them is not normal, which is similar to sorcerers in general.  Very true in my case Dreamways.

[Eilias123]

The Nagual Manuel is more important than I had previously anticipated. His energy is indeed very important. As an Earth based Nagual, his party may be used as a mutual global effort to restore energetic balance on this earth. His party is connected to other Nagual parties that are forming on this earth, including my own. I'm not clear whether it's 3 or 5 parties, but together they function as an energetic extended Nagual family if you will. The head Naguals of these parties have to meet at a very important place at a very important time. Possibly the location is the heart Chakra of the earth: Hawaii. This has never been done before. Other details aren't clear yet.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Manuel needs to contact me to further his agenda.

[Eilias123]

I just sent him an extremely large message telling him everything I know about this event. Hopefully he will own up to his responsibility. If he contacts me, I'll pass it onto you as well LW.

[Grand Speculator]

Interesting.

[Gonzo]

Eilias123 wrote:The Nagual Manuel is more important than I had previously anticipated. His energy is indeed very important. As an Earth based Nagual, his party may be used as a mutual global effort to restore energetic balance on this earth.Doesn't that assume the earth is energetically imbalanced?  I don't believe don Juan ever said the earth was imbalanced, rather that at some point warriors realized their spirit was off balance.
  Here's the entire quote:don Juan wrote:A warrior starts off with the certainty that his spirit is off balance; then by living in full control and awareness, but without hurry or compulsion, he does his ultimate best to gain this balance. Eilias123 wrote:His party is connected to other Nagual parties that are forming on this earth, including my own.You have a Nagual party?  Are you openly declaring yourself to be a Nagual?Eilias123 wrote: I'm not clear whether it's 3 or 5 parties, but together they function as an energetic extended Nagual family if you will. The head Naguals of these parties have to meet at a very important place at a very important time. Possibly the location is the heart Chakra of the earth: Hawaii. This has never been done before. Other details aren't clear yet.
I'm reminded of an old tradition amongst the indigineous folk on this continent before the advent of the White Man, when the shamans of various tribes were telepathically aware of a summons, and they all met at a designated place.  This is similar.  The difference is, open Internet communication, which, frankly, makes it quite suspect. And obviously, it's been done before.

[Eilias123]

My thought gonzo is that something is going to happen soon which will offset the earth's balance. I see it like a black shadow trying to cover the earth. i'm sorry but that is all I can articulate right now.