10-20-2010, 12:02 AM
Eilias123 wrote:I jsut wanted to say, sorry for my behavior a few days ago. i am going through a very odd transition period and don't always see things clearly.No fret Elias... we are all assholes on ocations. hehehe
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10-20-2010, 12:02 AM
Gonzo: We're here for the drama, and drama is driven by conflict. Nobody really wants peace, because peace is ultimately boring.
@Gonzo: lol, I'm not even going to explain why I disagree with this statement. I'm just gonna hug ya and pat ya on the head. It's so awesome you have such a strong faith in your beliefs. It's clear there is no swaying you. MUAH. @Grand: OMG yes! And forgiveness is so awesome. Gooooo team! Cracks up, I swear, I'm normally horribly sarcastic but lately I've been just a pile of rancid love that just explodes everywhere. It's annoying!
10-21-2010, 12:02 AM
ok gonzo, you quoted some crowely, how bout a little more in yer stew?
"There is no bond that can unite the divided but love: all else is a curse. Accursed! Accursed be it to the aeons! Hell." "Sing the rapturous love-song unto me! Burn to me perfumes! Wear to me jewels! Drink to me, for I love you! I love you!" "Invoke me under my stars! Love is the law, love under will. Nor let the fools mistake love; for there are love and love. There is the dove, and there is the serpent. Choose ye well! He, my prophet, hath chosen, knowing the law of the fortress, and the great mystery of the House of God." "But to love me is better than all things: if under the night stars in the desert thou presently burnest mine incense before me, invoking me with a pure heart, and the Serpent flame therein, thou shalt come a little to lie in my bosom. For one kiss wilt thou then be willing to give all; but whoso gives one particle of dust shall lose all in that hour. Ye shall gather goods and store of women and spices; ye shall wear rich jewels; ye shall exceed the nations of the earth in spendour & pride; but always in the love of me, and so shall ye come to my joy. I charge you earnestly to come before me in a single robe, and covered with a rich headdress. I love you! I yearn to you! Pale or purple, veiled or voluptuous, I who am all pleasure and purple, and drunkenness of the innermost sense, desire you. Put on the wings, and arouse the coiled splendour within you: come unto me!" From Liber Al vel Legis The dove is conventional love/morality, the serpent is the coiled splendor, the chakras opening. Love is the base and will is in the rising, the realization non-duality and freedom from the restrictions of an on of dualistic mind. Crowley counseled his students to find their True Will in conversation with thier Holy Guardian Angel, true will rising from the Love reservoir and action from there not to just go out and do anything that strikes their fancy and adds to their ego bloat. If you want to argue for general amorality you might want to find someone else to quote. There is peace and there is peace, you seem to be at rest with your opinions, boring gonzo.
10-21-2010, 12:02 AM
Gonzo, I agree with you on the myth. It truly impossible to know if the past occurred! Even our own past becomes a myth. The myth is what guides us nonetheless.
As for your view on love, seems you are headed to nihilism. Watch out for that, once the apathy arrives its a real downer. If you drink beer this may be your way of dealing with it. So maybe you feel everything's ok, but take away your habits and...well, maybe you'll find you're not as far on the path after all. Same for me, I got habits I haven't been able to let go of. They provide comfort, take them away and I get upset. Such as if the computer won't start, lol. And I bet you would probably say you see no reason to not enjoy beer, and I'd say the same for what I enjoy doing...just if we could no longer do them, would we be okay with that? At first not, but then after a while we may say things are better without them? But I think its likely you will conclude your drinking beer is not a habit, but merely a pleasure. Yes, my habits are pleasure too...make life worth-while, its just I know it would be hard to make the adjustment if I could not do them on a regular basis. You think, I know from previous posts, that without hate we could not know love. Personal love yes. I think its just you doubt universal love or compassion even exists. You think non-duality is without emotion, because emotions require dual exisitence. But the orgasm shows us different. First its how we were 'created' for this life (mythical perhaps), so we "started off" as an orgasm (important to remember ; ). Second, its non-dual pleasure. It erupts spontaneously. Its the mystery itself manifest. Embedded within its experience is the tasting of impersonal love. Crowley sought this.
10-21-2010, 12:02 AM
Kaomea wrote:Gonzo: We're here for the drama, and drama is driven by conflict. Nobody really wants peace, because peace is ultimately boring.
@Gonzo: lol, I'm not even going to explain why I disagree with this statement. I'm just gonna hug ya and pat ya on the head. It's so awesome you have such a strong faith in your beliefs. It's clear there is no swaying you. MUAH. @Grand: OMG yes! And forgiveness is so awesome. Gooooo team! Cracks up, I swear, I'm normally horribly sarcastic but lately I've been just a pile of rancid love that just explodes everywhere. It's annoying!Kaomea - you needn't explain why you disagree with my statement. You might, however, consider looking up the word "drama" in the dictionary. I didn't make up the definition. In addition, in regard war, you might read "Territorial Imperative" by Robert Ardry. In both cases, what is described might be said to be factual, and therefor not a matter of belief. In regard war, you might consider how much human literature and art are devoted to war. Consider the US National Anthem, for example - "...bombs bursting in air..." consider the number of movies made about war. The popular stance is to abhor war which in reality is a hypocrisy. The majority of history is concerned with war as well.
10-21-2010, 12:02 AM
@Lunoor -
I'll stick with Crowley's summation, thanks. Do you disagree with the statement that all of morality is man-made? This is not an argument for amorality, rather an argument for understanding that we unconsciously (for the most part) follow a set of rules created by someone else. It's of interest to look up "morality" in Wikipedia, where will be found the statement that In its "descriptive" sense, morality refers to personal or cultural values, codes of conduct or social mores that distinguish between right and wrong in the human society. Describing morality in this way is not making a claim about what is objectively right or wrong, but only referring to what is considered right or wrong by people.
10-21-2010, 12:02 AM
@Wei
Perhaps elsewhere I posted the joke line that love is a sudden rush of blood to the genitals. Actually, that's a joke with a good deal of truth in it. In my opinion, what humans generally refer to as "love" is a barter relationship involving sex if with a partner, or protection in the case of offspring. In this culture we are stuck with "romantic love", an import from Europe primarily, exemplied for one by "Romeo and Juliet", which in a way, may be seen as a rather sublime parody. It's also of interest, using that play as an example, that the lovers were both teenagers. Romantic love is something we indulge in as adolescents and most folk never seem to outgrow it. It revolves around not only powerful sexual attraction but a profound need for acceptance. In most cases, also, it doesn't last beyond a few years. There is a major difference, in my opinion, between "love" and "affection", which perhaps is picking fly **** out of the pepper. However, affection is given without any expectation of return, whereas "love" requires reciprocation. (I'm excluding the notion of unconditional love, or agape, which is more akin to affection.) Compassion, again in my opinion, is an expression of self-importance, sort of a "there but for the grace of God go I" thing. That is, I'm glad that **** is not happening to me. In terms of being a compassionate Bodhisattva, it is an indulgence, which most Bodhisattvas would be willing to admit. That is, they believe they have something of value to give to others. In regard beer, "In vino veritas". In addition, some fine quips from others at www.yetanotherway.com/phpBB3/viewtopi ... 99&start=0
10-21-2010, 12:02 AM
Hm...that link doesn't work right...let's try this
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10-21-2010, 12:02 AM
Well you stack from the ingredients you have, enjoy your burger gonzo
No comment on the other Crowley quotes?
10-22-2010, 12:02 AM
Gonzo wrote
 WeiPerhaps elsewhere I posted the joke line that love is a sudden rush of blood to the genitals. Actually, that's a joke with a good deal of truth in it. In my opinion, what humans generally refer to as "love" is a barter relationship involving sex if with a partner, or protection in the case of offspring. In this culture we are stuck with "romantic love", an import from Europe primarily, exemplied for one by "Romeo and Juliet", which in a way, may be seen as a rather sublime parody. It's also of interest, using that play as an example, that the lovers were both teenagers. Romantic love is something we indulge in as adolescents and most folk never seem to outgrow it. It revolves around not only powerful sexual attraction but a profound need for acceptance. In most cases, also, it doesn't last beyond a few years. There is a major difference, in my opinion, between "love" and "affection", which perhaps is picking fly **** out of the pepper. However, affection is given without any expectation of return, whereas "love" requires reciprocation. (I'm excluding the notion of unconditional love, or agape, which is more akin to affection.) Compassion, again in my opinion, is an expression of self-importance, sort of a "there but for the grace of God go I" thing. That is, I'm glad that **** is not happening to me. In terms of being a compassionate Bodhisattva, it is an indulgence, which most Bodhisattvas would be willing to admit. That is, they believe they have something of value to give to others. In regard beer, "In vino veritas". In addition, some fine quips from others at www.yetanotherway.com/phpBB3/viewtopic. ... 99&start=0 I wasn't talking at all about romantic love, and I notice you didn't comment on the orgasm itself which is what I was talking about. "In terms of being a compassionate Bodhisattva, it is an indulgence, which most Bodhisattvas would be willing to admit. That is, they believe they have something of value to give to others." Yes geez how selfish of them (sarcasm) they'd be better off just drinking beer and let everyone suffer. How advanced of you to see past them, you are much more enlightened then these indulgent Bodhisattvas. Seriously Gonzo, you believe your own rhetoric? Think of this...what empowers an acorn to become a tall oak? Its starts so small, and has to push through and keep on through adverse conditions, what power can do that? Only a power overwhelmed with the will to grow. What kind of pwoer would that be? A power so in love with the idea of living. The power contained within the orgasm. So never mind Romeo and Juliet, lets talk about nature.
10-22-2010, 12:02 AM
rosygyro wrote:LOVE IS THE LAW!
Law is a set of rules defined by others.
10-22-2010, 12:02 AM
Wei Shan Yang wrote:Gonzo wrote
WeiPerhaps elsewhere I posted the joke line that love is a sudden rush of blood to the genitals. Actually, that's a joke with a good deal of truth in it. In my opinion, what humans generally refer to as "love" is a barter relationship involving sex if with a partner, or protection in the case of offspring. In this culture we are stuck with "romantic love", an import from Europe primarily, exemplied for one by "Romeo and Juliet", which in a way, may be seen as a rather sublime parody. It's also of interest, using that play as an example, that the lovers were both teenagers. Romantic love is something we indulge in as adolescents and most folk never seem to outgrow it. It revolves around not only powerful sexual attraction but a profound need for acceptance. In most cases, also, it doesn't last beyond a few years. There is a major difference, in my opinion, between "love" and "affection", which perhaps is picking fly **** out of the pepper. However, affection is given without any expectation of return, whereas "love" requires reciprocation. (I'm excluding the notion of unconditional love, or agape, which is more akin to affection.) Compassion, again in my opinion, is an expression of self-importance, sort of a "there but for the grace of God go I" thing. That is, I'm glad that **** is not happening to me. In terms of being a compassionate Bodhisattva, it is an indulgence, which most Bodhisattvas would be willing to admit. That is, they believe they have something of value to give to others. In regard beer, "In vino veritas". In addition, some fine quips from others at www.yetanotherway.com/phpBB3/viewtopic. ... 99&start=0 I wasn't talking at all about romantic love, and I notice you didn't comment on the orgasm itself which is what I was talking about. "In terms of being a compassionate Bodhisattva, it is an indulgence, which most Bodhisattvas would be willing to admit. That is, they believe they have something of value to give to others." Yes geez how selfish of them (sarcasm) they'd be better off just drinking beer and let everyone suffer. How advanced of you to see past them, you are much more enlightened then these indulgent Bodhisattvas. Seriously Gonzo, you believe your own rhetoric? Think of this...what empowers an acorn to become a tall oak? Its starts so small, and has to push through and keep on through adverse conditions, what power can do that? Only a power overwhelmed with the will to grow. What kind of pwoer would that be? A power so in love with the idea of living. The power contained within the orgasm. So never mind Romeo and Juliet, lets talk about nature. Actually, I DO believe my own rhetoric, perhaps even more so because it seems unpopular. Far more fascinating than the orgasm which initiates the process is the development of the hugely complex human organism from a single cell. The orgasm, for that matter, is merely a clever mechanism to lure animals into procreating and further adds to my initial definition of love. What else about nature would you care to discuss? I'm a casual birdwatcher, however, China has either eaten or trapped most of its birds, although I enjoyed seeing the spoonbilled sandpipers at Mai Po Marsh near Hong Kong.
10-22-2010, 12:02 AM
Lunoor wrote:
Well you stack from the ingredients you have, enjoy your burger gonzo No comment on the other Crowley quotes? Why, thank you, L. I like my steak rare, my red wine at room temperature, and a cigar afterward. And by the way, I chose to take both the red pill and the blue pill. I commented on the Crowley quotes. In case you missed it, I said I would stick with Crowley's summation.
10-23-2010, 12:02 AM
Gonzo wrote:Actually, I DO believe my own rhetoric, perhaps even more so because it seems unpopular.
Far more fascinating than the orgasm which initiates the process is the development of the hugely complex human organism from a single cell. The orgasm, for that matter, is merely a clever mechanism to lure animals into procreating and further adds to my initial definition of love. Still not hearing me. I'm talking about the feeling contained in the orgasm, and not referring to physical feeling. Since I have had this feeling in dreams, I know its primary quality is not sexual., as humans tend to describe and associate with. It is rather a force of nature. "What else about nature would you care to discuss? I'm a casual birdwatcher, however, China has either eaten or trapped most of its birds, although I enjoyed seeing the spoonbilled sandpipers at Mai Po Marsh near Hong Kong." Maybe take that issue up with President Hu, send him an email as a concerned bird watcher. I want to talk about the force of life. If the life force had any speck of doubt in it, I believe it would perish. The acorn would lose its desire to live, and of course same with humans and all creatures. So the will to live must be the most positive force in existence. What makes it so positive is its unimpeded by doubt or fragmentation. When you experience an orgasm, there is a point when you do not feel separate from anything else, contained in this moment is abiding joy (for living).
10-23-2010, 12:02 AM
An orgasm is an orgasm - purely physical, having nothing to do with life force. As I said, it's the mechanism that urges us to procreate.
I like this little ditty: The goal of the organism is survival: the goal of the essence is ecstasy.
10-23-2010, 12:02 AM
Why didnt you all just die to your selves while you had the chance?
Its kinda weak that a bunch of guys with NO WARRIOR stories or tale sof power between them.. Self justify themselves with the "sobriety" they gleaned from running away all their lives! At least make the effort to tell a tale of power... theres so many weak ass stories of subdefuge and attampts to backdoor others awareness.. that the site is losing integrity! All those who wish to work as a unit do so! all those who wish to play a power game against others... LOSE your grip!.. harleyatl'
10-23-2010, 12:02 AM
Hey Rosy...maybe telling Tales of Power is a matter of self-importance.
And perhaps The Nagual's Party is a metaphor.
10-24-2010, 12:02 AM
Hey Hey i remember back in 1998.. when i used to do this!
and then draw a mandala... CHANT the battle chant of atl'man.. and step out into the nagual of my fears house of chaos! I used to substitute the dice of life for the dice of death and gamble my soul in the naguals FLOW! "Will you brave with us now duty and honour roll roll rollagain the dice of death!" To tell you the truth my jaguar priest is "all inside out beaks and upside down claws!" Ok.. so whos a nagual then.. if he can answer my prayer!???? HMMMMMMMMMM
10-24-2010, 12:02 AM
rosygyro wrote:Ok.. so whos a nagual then..
if he can answer my prayer!???? HMMMMMMMMMM You seek a nagual, "crazy" seer? Mares isn't good enough? What for? Sometimes I feel like a nagual... but I know better.
10-24-2010, 12:02 AM
I stopped doing tensegrity...some tiem later!
i didnt learn all the forms.. You see.. I would spend four hours of everynight.. spinning around in my sleep.. cracking energy in the pillows.. I even tore the sheet up with my feet one night... It was pretty intense.. But i didnt want to get in a futile wrestle.. It was obvious my energy body was being "parasiticly" used.. So i chose to study a form of FEAR YOGA:
10-24-2010, 12:02 AM
rosygyro wrote: So i chose to study a form of FEAR YOGA:Me too! It's great to suffer like a son of a ****. I recommend it both to sadists and masochists. Re-unite with fear!
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