Agreement

[Aranno Way]

Something that we all can count on is that the traditional arrangements with the warriors party that has been in succession with Juan Matus' thread of warrior groups no longer continues and it ended with Carlos and was stated that a new cycle of warriors would emerge.
It was stated that it was going to stop as far as secretive warrior party progression and thats why C.C. decided to reveal tensegrety to everyone because he had no one person to pass it on to a new party to continue the tradition and that the death defier would join C.C. and Carol Tigs on their journey into the third attention.

[Bob May]

I want to relate an experience that I had many years ago because I think it bears on the discussion. Because of comments by Doktor Green and Lone Wolf and Saranicka, and because a few months ago Some drastic changes have come over me, I have come closer in recent days to repeating this experience.
My teacher who is gone on now told me that to be able to have an experience once is just that, an experience. To be able to do it again is to have mastered the experience.
He also said that sometimes a person is given experiences that are "way beyond" their capabilities.
It seems like a lot of my experiences are of that sort. I experience something and then spend years learning from them, seeing them at deeper levels. Reinterpreting them as time goes on.
When I had the particular experience that I am going to relate, I described it to John (my teacher) and he told me it was the "beginnings of" the Kundalini, or "Serpent Fire". (Which he had gone through and which nearly killed him, but which he subsequently "mastered" in that he could both tough with it and use it in his healing practice). He told me that based upon my experience itself and the physical symptoms that accompany such an experience and continue afterwards.
Both the symptoms and the ease at which I am able to "Approach" that experience have returned in recent months.
I was doing the same meditation that both John and Gopi Krisna did to initiate the experience; Both were almost killed. Here is the meditation.
I put my awareness on the top of my head just above the spine. In the "Western Mystic Tradition" it is called the "Point", symbol of the Unmanifest, Kether, first Sephirah on the "Tree of Life". In the Eastern Traditions" it is called the "Thousand Petaled Lotus."
From there, I reached up as high as I could go. Keeping my conscious at that point. Correcting when my mind wandered.
I stayed that way for a long time. Hours. anything that would turn my mind was ignored.
I began to feel enrgy in my gonads which happens during that type of meditation, but I ignored it.
The sound, like a swarm of locusts, which also happens in meditation became louder than ususal. I followed the sound, still keeping my consciousness on the same place and reaching up.
The sound increased and burning in my feet began to increase. I ignored it and followed the sound reaching up.
At some point, I realized that the sound had become a Roaring that was shaking me apart and that the heat was a burning as if I were on fire. I knew that it would destroy my body if I stayed within it. The burning and the shaking caused by the deafening sound were killing me.
I went out of the top of my head. I felt as if I was being born and the top of my head was a womb.
Released from the body I did not stop concentrating and reaching up.
At some point, something(or someone) grabbed me from above. Not a hand, a force began pulling me higher and higher at ever increasing speed. Any fear or negative emotion had to be corrected immediately or I would get off of the path that I was traveling. I felt like I was in a car on a dragstrip going at high speed and any emotion was causing violent reaction. As I stilled my emotions and just "was" it was alright. At a point, I stayed at a certain "level" I guess you could call it. I did not continue "upward".
At that point I was without a body, spread out within an energy that at first felt like an orgasm and changed into pure Joy. I was one with it and I knew that it was more powerful than the Sun because it was not "physical energy"
But the source of both physical energy and matter. Or "A" source of it. I was "Touching with Power".
To describe this "Energy" or "Plane" would be to lessen it, especially after so long a time, but I have taken to calling it "Blue/White Liquid Lightening" as that would be the best way to compare it with things of this world.
I was in it and it was through me and I/we spread out as far in all directions as my mind could go. It was Pure Joy.
I was Pure Joy.
According to the Kabbalah I would guess it was becoming one with the secong Sephirah Chokmah,"Wisdom" the second emanation of God. Or it may have been a very high plane, but it was Power that moved toward me in circular motion. A sea of Power. and I was also that Sea of Power. I felt what It felt. I Was it.
As with other Spiritual experiences my perception of the world was different for quite a few weeks after this experience. I could deal with FI's or demons on lower planes, or Rise up to this higher experience and leave them all behind. But,the Awe or Fear of God was much bigger and more frightening to me at that time. Mostly because a wrong thought at that level could have wrong results at this level. And I was young and not very sure of my own mind. I didn't want to cause any harm.
I'm not sure this has any similarities to the "Third Attention", that we have been discussing. But it seems to.
Any thoughts?
Bob

[Guest]

I have read over and over again on the net about people being harmed on physical level by a Kundalini premature rising. I could never understand though how the rising of the Kundalini can be premature. Unless someone provockes it by force-that's what i read. But would someone do such a thing? From what i have understood Kundalini rises naturally when the person is ready.
Were you harmed in any way by that experience you had? to me it seems beautifull and full of awareness))

[Bob May]

"I have read over and over again on the net about people being harmed on physical level by a Kundalini premature rising"
I think that what I described was the beginning of a gradual process in myself. My teacher and Gopi Krishna both went through a much more sudden and full awakening.
their lives hung in the balance for months afterwards. Eating baby food and yogurt a few spoonfuls every hour or so.
I am of the opinion that it is the "Baptism of Fire" spoken of by John the Baptist. And that Jesus said; No one puts new wine into an old skin lest the bottle burst and both the wine and the bottle are lost.
My teacher was of the opinion that no one was ever ready for it when it happened. But there is a lot more info now days with the internet. He might have changed his opinion if he had read those personal experiences now.
It seems to me that the experiences and their intensity very greatly by what I've read on the net.
"Were you harmed in any way by that experience you had? to me it seems beautifull and full of awareness))"
It was an extremely beautiful and powerful experience and it is only recently that I have come to realize that I have been feeling the effects of it recurring over the last 20 years. There are some physical difficulties, but not more than I can handle as yet.
But back to the topic. Gopi Krishna had the experience once and it almost killed him. He stopped all meditations for years and got stronger again and decided to try it again. It almost killed him a second time.
In books written much later, after he survived and got strong again, he described that he then went through an experience of seeing that everything was connected; Cosmic Consciousness, I think he called it. It sounded more like the experience that Doktor Green described.
To see eternity in a grain of sand kind of thing.
Where I would describe my experience as "one with" the Power behind the scenes. Whatever power that was.
The color was right and my teacher said that his source of Power was Chokmah. A Sephirah upon the Tree of Life".
That is my view upon it now, it could change.
But, seeing everything as "One" is, I believe another experience that I have not experienced as yet, though I am not even sure of that.
It is hard to describe these things and we don't always get a good idea from descriptions of realities which cannot be contained in words.Bob

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Bob May...thank you for sharing your experience and in such a beautifully written manner.
I will reflect on your experience in times to come.

[Jueves Viernes]

Thank you, Saranicka, I'll read it.
For Lone Wolf. I meant another when speaking of Parralel being. That was the term used in Eagle's gift by CC used by Florinda:
"A parallel being of any person is another person of the same sex who is intimately and inextricably joined to the first one. They coexist in the world at the same time. The two parallel beings are like the two ends of the same pole.
It is nearly impossible for warriors to find their parallel being, because there are too many distracting factors in the life of a warrior, other priorities. But whoever is capable of accomplishing this feat would find, in his parallel being, just as dona Soledad had, an endless source of youth and energy."

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Ah...an obsure reference...I remember it now as you describe.
Interesting...much like a doppenganger.

[Jueves Viernes]

for Lone Wolf
Those doppelgangers in CC texts had names and led normal life. They were not cowalkers or something but normal humans living in different places/countries.
To Bob May and Doktor Green
As to CC's lineage it was not unique, there are other lineages DJ mentioned. I'm not trying to convince everybody to join groups/Nagual parties. I mean we cannot say no more parties knowing of the only one lineage from CC's books. Are you sure all other lineages came to decision to stop their activities? Have you heard of any?

[Guest]

in.answers.yahoo.com/ques...246AAUJwPd
found this on net.
to me it has only happened in dreaming.

[Jueves Viernes]

Really great story, Saranicka!
Thank you for the link. And what kind og "bulgers" you met in dreaming?

[Guest]

"bulgers"? oh, there are many bulgers in dreaming))
i meant i have only met myself in dreaming.

[Jueves Viernes]

for Saranicka,
what did you feel that moment?
once I saw myself a woman in dreaming. I was watching my female face with a touch of lipstick and makeup in a mirror. How weird but interesting to be a woman! I could say I liked it

[Guest]

I felt like i finally found myself lol))
it's always interesting to see what a mirror reflects in dreaming:-)

[Guest]