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New Seers and Old Seers
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02-22-2011, 12:02 AM
Nu Lang wrote:
Time in an interesting topic...perhaps we should start a thread about it? http://sorcery.yuku.com/topic/3014/master/1/ No time like the present, I guess.
02-22-2011, 12:02 AM
Enchantra wrote:
Hi Bob, I am not so sure we are exactly on the same page... Close though maybe. I do see things A bit differently regarding time. However, its great you were able to get a glimpse into the "Future" in dreaming. I love it when that happens. Have a good day Close is good enough. We can have conversations without controversy. My views on time are just guesses, anyway. Speculation.
02-22-2011, 12:02 AM
Nu Lang, I love the way you explain things so concisely, it's nice to read. Especially since I don't have a lot of patience and have a hard time wading through wordy posts. Enchantra
Enchantra perhaps I can save you some time here so that you needn’t tax yourself. This is wordy post you may as well skip it, definitely not a “nice read” more of a struggle to clarify what is meant, to arrive at a common understanding essential to quality communication. Ok, well its pretty much what we have been discussing. That the old seers were master sorcerers, but they realized that in death the mystery would be revealed and that was of which they had failed to do in their lifetime. NL Wasn’t it the new seers of the groups that immediately preceded DJ’s party, that were essentially new seers but because their predilection was closer to that of the old ones they could not burn from within and remain in the physical body in this reality. So they found themselves “waiting”. It should be noted that they knew they had missed it. In this regard I have to tip my hat to them. They did not reach beyond their grasp. They didn’t start wildly inventing. They waited, courageously without hope, or a “hope that is unseen” in the face of odds that even the idea of would overwhelm most. The perspective outside of sorcery is to die a symbolic death which is to overcome the mind, ego, system...so there is freedom from the system, conditioning. Then with this the ap, no longer does simply lateral shifts but can shift in a way that begins the journey of infinity, which represents that outside of the limits of the old sorcerers. Sorcery is still a tool on the journey, it has a new mood to it which is the mood of freedom (refusing to be contained by anything). NL "The perspective outside of sorcery is to die a symbolic death which is to overcome the mind, ego, system...so there is freedom from the system, conditioning."NL I should have been more bold and said the Eagle...hey I just did NL Well a couple of things here. By saying this, “The perspective outside of sorcery is to die a symbolic death”, are you saying that sorcery is not concerned with symbolic deaths? Also by implication does that mean that other spiritual traditions are only concerned with a “symbolic death”? Now I am familiar (only because of CC’s writing really) that the old sorcerers had a preference for lateral shifts instead of movements and that you are now saying this defines the limits of those sorcerers and their shifts and that the symbolic death is the gate to freedom from the conditioning you outlined. (If I have understood you correctly). What was is it about the shifts that so glamored the old seers? I bring this up because in this information age where information is so accessible and abundant it would be nothing for those with the predilection of old seers to appropriate the language of the new seers without ever realizing that they have simply adapted the new inventory to their pre-existing inventory. I should have been more bold and said the Eagle...hey I just did. NL So in saying this are you saying that the symbolic death is a prerequisite to “sneaking past the eagle” or even that the symbolic death represents having sneaked past the eagle????? Not sure what you meant here and why you thought it so bold. Perhaps I should ask Enchantra though, as she seems to have no trouble understanding your syntax. Sorcery is still a tool on the journey, it has a new mood to it which is the mood of freedom (refusing to be contained by anything). NL "Refusing to be contained by anything," even sorcery. This refusing to be contained I like this direction even if it is difficult to imagine.
02-22-2011, 12:02 AM
lex icon wrote:
Enchantra perhaps I can save you some time here so that you needn’t tax yourself. This is wordy post you may as well skip it, definitely not a “nice read” more of a struggle to clarify what is meant, to arrive at a common understanding essential to quality communication. Lex, I didn't mean to offend you with my comment, simply stalking myself. It's all good. But while we are on the subject, there is so much more that is essential to quality communication than lengthy explanations. Unspoken communications, impulses and listening with our bodies is quite essential, too. lex icon wrote  erhaps I should ask Enchantra though, as she seems to have no trouble understanding your syntax.No need to be rude.
02-22-2011, 12:02 AM
To discover both the utilization of sorcery and also that
perspective outside of it and to combine these two understandings makes a New Seer. NL I love it! Nu Lang, I love the way you explain things so concisely, it's nice to read. Especially since I don't have a lot of patience and have a hard time wading through wordy posts. I like to see the point -- right now! Enchantra Enchantra I am not offended. I just consider this earlier comment of yours passive aggressive and this is how I deal with it. You might not consider it passive aggressive and just see it as encouraging Nu Lang and showing her that you understand her while at the same time discouraging those who who do have more patience that you. You said you like to see the point---right now! I wonder if you did. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0ywwN8d5Js
02-22-2011, 12:02 AM
New Seers can not be contained. ( new seers are free)
Sorcerer's' practices have no intrinsic value. ( self-serving intent) Old seers way does not lead to freedom. Old seers only given a glimpse but never the real means to get to that evasive totality of oneself. DJ says it is much better to learn to see. A man who sees is everything; in comparison, the sorcerer is a said fellow.
02-22-2011, 12:02 AM
ninth octave wrote:
New Seers can not be contained. ( new seers are free) Sorcerer's' practices have no intrinsic value. ( self-serving intent) Old seers way does not lead to freedom. Old seers only given a glimpse but never the real means to get to that evasive totality of oneself. DJ says it is much better to learn to see. A man who sees is everything; in comparison, the sorcerer is a SAD fellow. lol, an old frackin laughin female hyenas with pseudo penis erectile dysfunction. Calling all supporters!!
02-23-2011, 12:02 AM
Now what are the "the Mysteries" he is speaking of? He says he is giving them the power to decipher All Parables and the Mysteries and yet, all parables don't have to do with seeds and sowers etc., Bob
Very true Bob! This also contains the possibility of making new parables! I have dabbled in this myself. Lu 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. Lu 8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. Mark Chapter 4 9 Then Jesus said, “Whoever has ears to hear, let them hear.” 10 When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11 He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12 so that, “‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!’[a]” 13 Then Jesus said to them, “Don’t you understand this parable? How then will you understand any parable? When we read this it is as if Jesus is purposely hindering some from understanding, ...why??? 12 so that, “‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven! Why does Jesus not want them to turn and be forgiven?????
02-23-2011, 12:02 AM
lex icon wrote:To discover both the utilization of sorcery and also that
perspective outside of it and to combine these two understandings makes a New Seer. NL I love it! Nu Lang, I love the way you explain things so concisely, it's nice to read. Especially since I don't have a lot of patience and have a hard time wading through wordy posts. I like to see the point -- right now! Enchantra Enchantra I am not offended. I just consider this earlier comment of yours passive aggressive and this is how I deal with it. You might not consider it passive aggressive and just see it as encouraging Nu Lang and showing her that you understand her while at the same time discouraging those who who do have more patience that you. You said you like to see the point---right now! I wonder if you did. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0ywwN8d5Js For the record...I appreciated that Enchantra noticed the conciseness of my posts because as I said before...its something I deliberately intented months ago. Its always nice to have something come to fruition enough to be noticed by another.
02-23-2011, 12:02 AM
lex icon wrote:Ok, well its pretty much what we have been discussing. That the old seers were master sorcerers, but they realized that in death the mystery would be revealed and that was of which they had failed to do in their lifetime. NL
Wasn’t it the new seers of the groups that immediately preceded DJ’s party, that were essentially new seers but because their predilection was closer to that of the old ones they could not burn from within and remain in the physical body in this reality. So they found themselves “waiting”. It should be noted that they knew they had missed it. In this regard I have to tip my hat to them. They did not reach beyond their grasp. They didn’t start wildly inventing. They waited, courageously without hope, or a “hope that is unseen” in the face of odds that even the idea of would overwhelm most. We can call them by any name Lex, ...most important is its understood that they waited, that the mystery was revealed to them by death. lex icon wrote:The perspective outside of sorcery is to die a symbolic death which is to overcome the mind, ego, system...so there is freedom from the system, conditioning. Then with this the ap, no longer does simply lateral shifts but can shift in a way that begins the journey of infinity, which represents that outside of the limits of the old sorcerers. Sorcery is still a tool on the journey, it has a new mood to it which is the mood of freedom (refusing to be contained by anything). NL "The perspective outside of sorcery is to die a symbolic death which is to overcome the mind, ego, system...so there is freedom from the system, conditioning."NL I should have been more bold and said the Eagle...hey I just did NL Well a couple of things here. By saying this, “The perspective outside of sorcery is to die a symbolic death”, are you saying that sorcery is not concerned with symbolic deaths? Also by implication does that mean that other spiritual traditions are only concerned with a “symbolic death”? Now I am familiar (only because of CC’s writing really) that the old sorcerers had a preference for lateral shifts instead of movements and that you are now saying this defines the limits of those sorcerers and their shifts and that the symbolic death is the gate to freedom from the conditioning you outlined. (If I have understood you correctly). What was is it about the shifts that so glamored the old seers? I bring this up because in this information age where information is so accessible and abundant it would be nothing for those with the predilection of old seers to appropriate the language of the new seers without ever realizing that they have simply adapted the new inventory to their pre-existing inventory.Sorcery does not "think". Its neutral and wielded by the user. So at first sorcerer were concerned with what they could uncover...but their own personal mortality was not considered. It was the new seers who learned to die a symbolic death and then move farther beyond what the previous sorcerers could do. Now I am familiar (only because of CC’s writing really) that the old sorcerers had a preference for lateral shifts instead of movementsYes, Lex as I see it we do have to maintain a certain faith in the validity of what CC wrote, if we cannot do this...goodnight nurse...there is no foundation upon which to proceed. If we later see for ourselves a more concise explanation, then at that point we can update our understanding. Thus far...this is my understanding, just as you ask in that paragraph....the ability to move beyond lateral...and grants its a mostly visual explantion rather then it having to be of actual form. What we are doing here is garnering the intent to transcend/shift...visual imagery is most useful in this regard. lex icon wrote:I should have been more bold and said the Eagle...hey I just did. NL So in saying this are you saying that the symbolic death is a prerequisite to “sneaking past the eagle” or even that the symbolic death represents having sneaked past the eagle????? Not sure what you meant here and why you thought it so bold. Perhaps I should ask Enchantra though, as she seems to have no trouble understanding your syntax.haha, last line a bit of passive aggression? jk...sort of. So in saying this are you saying that the symbolic death is a prerequisite to “sneaking past the eagle”YES Not sure what you meant here and why you thought it so bold. So bold as to incur the wrath of Lex's inquiry, lol lex icon wrote:Sorcery is still a tool on the journey, it has a new mood to it which is the mood of freedom (refusing to be contained by anything). NL "Refusing to be contained by anything," even sorcery. This refusing to be contained I like this direction even if it is difficult to imagine.YES The reason we still keep sorcery is because its a 'vehicle' to travel in. What other one we got besides it? Nothing in the tonal logic...that's for sure.
02-23-2011, 12:02 AM
Yes, Lex as I see it we do have to maintain a certain faith in the
validity of what CC wrote, if we cannot do this...goodnight nurse...there is no foundation upon which to proceed. NL NL this really has been a point I have been trying to drive home for awhile now. This foundation which you speak of which as you say requires a "certain faith" I would say requires understanding. I believe a lot of what CC was talking about but when I listen to what people are saying in Castaneda type forums at times I wonder if we have read the same CC books. Perhaps it is just a matter of no foundation so people do not know how to proceed. So we end up with this interpreting of CC's stuff through a lens of whatever type of spirituality we are favoring that day. I understand the confusion and predicament. We have a CC community that loved CC's books but don't know how to plug in. After all the books said we need a nagual and a party all dictated by the rule etc. The dilemma, no one can volunteer. So what do the majority of believers do who have not been found by a nagual party and inducted into that party. So we have these hybrid Castaneda communities, next best thing I guess. However the hybrid communities seem to diverge at will into a freeform new age dreaming club, while all the time lending credence to the legacy of CC. Christians did the same with message of Jesus and became devotional instead of praxis oriented. But talk to Christians and they will swear they are following Jesus lol. Now I don't have a problem with this as long as it is understood or admitted that this is indeed what is happening or something similar to it. This is probably a whole new thread.
02-23-2011, 12:02 AM
"I understand the confusion and predicament. We have a CC community that loved CC's books but don't know how to plug in. After all the books said we need a nagual and a party all dictated by the rule etc. The dilemma, no one can volunteer. So what do the majority of believers do who have not been found by a nagual party and inducted into that party. So we have these hybrid Castaneda communities, next best thing I guess. However the hybrid communities seem to diverge at will into a freeform new age dreaming club, while all the time lending credence to the legacy of CC. Christians did the same with message of Jesus and became devotional instead of praxis oriented. But talk to Christians and they will swear they are following Jesus lol." LexA TRUE nagual is rare, and many are weary of hooking up with phonies...they are rampant on the internet and elsewhere I suppose. And by phonies I don't mean they are not warriors period...just not good naguals. Whats a true nagual? One who's passed the first stages completely...has vanquished teh FI, can do sorcery and dream using his/her double to aid those in his party or in associated parties, has considerable power.
Ok we have one amid us but its certainly not my fault nor can I do anything about the fact its not seen. Each person has to make that individual connection and, again, with all the phonies it becomes, unfortunately, a turn off to even try. But if you can do it, and witness his sorcery, then you will know without a doubt who you are dealing with and what is possible. Then you say "I can do that too", but you realize it takes a whole party...not just a true nagual and you or not just you alone...but every member is needed on that journey. We are all here, many members, powerful in their own abilities, who get along and resonate with each other...its right here amid us. I have known you and Ninth for over 3 years now isn't it? With both with you and Ninth there were periods I would say there was conflict. And now I no longer see that and hopefully you both no longer see that as I perceive you agree. Now that's destiny isn't it? With Lone Wolf, took me a while to see him too...destiny. Turin too. And then new people come and make solid connections here. Destiny. So why don't we focus on what we have, here? Your paragraph I quoted in this post is all about theory of what warriors do and why they do it...I'm talking about us though, not the random warrior out there. There's nothing to really be said about the theoretical warrior's quest. That's just it...we have to let go of that and intend our dream forward. And it will be together...there is no other way.
02-23-2011, 12:02 AM
lex icon wrote:The wrath of Lex lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOzHoJYKMtM&NR=1 Can't watch the video...but I was just teasing you. I know how inquisitive you are, especially about the topic of the Eagle 
02-23-2011, 12:02 AM
"has vanquished the FI, can do sorcery and dream using his/her double to aid those in his party or in associated parties, has considerable power."
I forgot to mention...the double can act in the tonal too, not just dreaming. But as I see it...only a nagual who has rid him/herself of FI influence can be counted on completely. Others may have very active doubles and such, but some 'stuff' still there that will seek to control any who come to them.
02-23-2011, 12:02 AM
lex icon wrote:
Now what are the "the Mysteries" he is speaking of? He says he is giving them the power to decipher All Parables and the Mysteries and yet, all parables don't have to do with seeds and sowers etc., Bob Very true Bob! This also contains the possibility of making new parables! I have dabbled in this myself. Lu 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. My point here is that there is a difference between Mysteries and Parables. But they both follow the same pattern. Meaning a second meaning behind the story woven with symbols. Parables deal with stories either written or spoken. The symbols used to point to the Real (the story behind the story) are Words. THIS IS ALLEGORY. The "Mysteries" have to do with "Reality." The symbols used to point to the Reality behind the obvious (also the story behind the story) are everything in the manifest universe. THIS ALSO IS ALLEGORY. Parables are allegory. Ok, you with me so far? He is not teaching them the keys to all parables because he is only giving them a few definitions to the symbols in one parable. Seed = word, Field= world, Sower = Son of Man. The few symbols he gives them cannot possibly cover all of his parables let alone "all parables." So, my conclusion is that he meant something else. Yet he says; Mr 4:13 And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables? LK 8:10 Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: To know ALL PARABLES and the MYSTERIES of the Kingdom of God (which is invisible) it is necessary to understand ALLEGORY itself. THAT IS THE KEY he is giving them. Because that is how we come to understand the true intent ( the story behind the story) of the AUTHOR both of parables and the AUTHOR of the world we are living in. Jesus is in the process of giving them the key and says unto you it is given. Mark Chapter 4 9 Then Jesus said, “Whoever has ears to hear, let them hear.” 10 When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11 He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12 so that, “‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!’[a]” When we read this it is as if Jesus is purposely hindering some from understanding, ...why??? He is not excluding anyone here. It is a choice to have ears or not. He knew it would be written about later and so we have all been given those same keys. They were just given this information and told it was important before we were. 12 so that, “‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven! Why does Jesus not want them to turn and be forgiven????? I thought that too for a while but it doesn't make sense. I was reading it wrong. Joh 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world You are reading it wrong too just like I was. Like I said it is a personal choice whether or not to open our ears. The "lest they be forgiven..." or "lest they be converted..." The "lest" was from their perspective. How many people you know that will readily change their way of thinking because you suggest something completely new and foriegn to their way of thinking? But he did give them the parables and just thinking about them excercises that part of our brains. And later Paul really points out a lot about scriptures being allegory, also. Figures, shadows, types, all of these things are saying the same things about how scripture was written. Few enough understand that but when you start saying that that is also how the entire universe was "written", it is a leap in thinking. I hope I am making sense here because I believe it is a major key. I've been thinking about this for a few years but just recently the concept seems to be taking on new life and I am getting a lot more ideas about it.
02-23-2011, 12:02 AM
Ok, this is the beginning of understanding. But there is more, there is experience. To become the stories.
Remember when DJ told Carlos to make "a collection of memorable events in his life"? (TASOI) There was a good reason for that.
02-23-2011, 12:02 AM
Nu Lang wrote:
Ok, this is the beginning of understanding. But there is more, there is experience. To become the stories. Remember when DJ told Carlos to make "a collection of memorable events in his life"? (TASOI) There was a good reason for that. Exactly. There is no more memorable event than to "Find Youself in Scripture" as I have come to call it. Which I have been approaching and describing. Back to the original idea of "You Are Here" on the roadmap. Jesus found himself in the book. Just after being baptised and then going into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. He found himself in the prophecy of Isaiah in the old testament and read it in the Synagogue. Lu 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. Lu 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, Lu 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, Lu 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. Lu 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. Lu 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. We also find ourselves if we look. We become the story. Because the bible was not only written for us, but about us. It's about our spiritual journey. It is a map, but a map is useless if you don't know where you are on the map. The "You Are Here." As we begin to peel back the flesh of our hearts (circumcision) we also experience to a gradual expanding of awareness and find that our lives parallel the lives of the lineage (the Patriarchs) of Jesus who was the Pinacle of what mankind can become. Each of the Patriarchs (the circumcision) illustrates a new level of Spiritual Understanding that we come to. We gradually become more aware of Spirit and less concerned with the "flesh." Of course when Jesus made this anouncement they did not believe him; Lu 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. Lu 4:22 And all bare him witness, and wondered at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth. And they said, Is not this Joseph's son? Lu 4:23 And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself They thought he was crazy. And they thought they knew him,..he was just the son of the local carpenter. And you are right. There is more. We can also find ourselves in the Book of Life. That is the world we live in. Paul referred to the scriptures as the "Oracles of God." ...This means they speak to us!!! Would God only have put this hidden knowledge into a book and not in the world around us? Of course not. But in learning how to read the book we also learn to read the world around us. They are written in the same way. Allegory! That is the key to the "Mysteries" That Jesus gave to his disciples.
02-24-2011, 12:02 AM
Bob May wrote:
lex icon wrote: Now what are the "the Mysteries" he is speaking of? He says he is giving them the power to decipher All Parables and the Mysteries and yet, all parables don't have to do with seeds and sowers etc., Bob Very true Bob! This also contains the possibility of making new parables! I have dabbled in this myself. Lu 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. My point here is that there is a difference between Mysteries and Parables. But they both follow the same pattern. Meaning a second meaning behind the story woven with symbols. Parables deal with stories either written or spoken. The symbols used to point to the Real (the story behind the story) are Words. THIS IS ALLEGORY. The "Mysteries" have to do with "Reality." The symbols used to point to the Reality behind the obvious (also the story behind the story) are everything in the manifest universe. THIS ALSO IS ALLEGORY. Parables are allegory. Ok, you with me so far? He is not teaching them the keys to all parables because he is only giving them a few definitions to the symbols in one parable. Seed = word, Field= world, Sower = Son of Man. The few symbols he gives them cannot possibly cover all of his parables let alone "all parables." So, my conclusion is that he meant something else. Yet he says; Mr 4:13 And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables? LK 8:10 Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: To know ALL PARABLES and the MYSTERIES of the Kingdom of God (which is invisible) it is necessary to understand ALLEGORY itself. THAT IS THE KEY he is giving them. Because that is how we come to understand the true intent ( the story behind the story) of the AUTHOR both of parables and the AUTHOR of the world we are living in. Jesus is in the process of giving them the key and says unto you it is given. Mark Chapter 4 9 Then Jesus said, “Whoever has ears to hear, let them hear.” 10 When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11 He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12 so that, “‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!’[a]” When we read this it is as if Jesus is purposely hindering some from understanding, ...why??? He is not excluding anyone here. It is a choice to have ears or not. He knew it would be written about later and so we have all been given those same keys. They were just given this information and told it was important before we were. 12 so that, “‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven! Why does Jesus not want them to turn and be forgiven????? I thought that too for a while but it doesn't make sense. I was reading it wrong. Joh 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world You are reading it wrong too just like I was. Like I said it is a personal choice whether or not to open our ears. The "lest they be forgiven..." or "lest they be converted..." The "lest" was from their perspective. How many people you know that will readily change their way of thinking because you suggest something completely new and foriegn to their way of thinking? But he did give them the parables and just thinking about them excercises that part of our brains. And later Paul really points out a lot about scriptures being allegory, also. Figures, shadows, types, all of these things are saying the same things about how scripture was written. Few enough understand that but when you start saying that that is also how the entire universe was "written", it is a leap in thinking. I hope I am making sense here because I believe it is a major key. I've been thinking about this for a few years but just recently the concept seems to be taking on new life and I am getting a lot more ideas about it.Thank you Bob May for demonstrating quite clearly biblical truths in the tune of tonal and nagual. Jesus spoke in parables for other reasons too. Jesus spoke in this Hebrew form of wisdom firstly initiated by King Solomon. It was a way to convey the meaning of the coming Messiah. At the time Jesus was proclaiming the Kingdom of God being within us, the Pharisees and Sadducee's had their own foreign instillation closing in on their heart, deafening their hearing and making them spiritually blinded. They had hidden agenda and Jesus knew how they would read him in that very hot and hostlile enviromnent. Jesus also knew there would be those with spiritual discernment that would be able to understand these truths despite any condition and continue with these memorable parables.. The disciples had most intimate fellowship with Jesus everyday. Those three years spent in private detailed mystical teaching.
02-24-2011, 12:02 AM
Yes, Bob, well I just don't hear many people on these forums telling their own tales is all. But maybe thats mostly due to it being a public arena...thats the very main reason we have the Inner Landscape available to those who want to get more personal. I envisioned it as a place to lose the human form, by being human in all its colors.
02-24-2011, 12:02 AM
Enchantra wrote:
Are you all saying JC was an Old Seer? Not at all. Jesus was God come to earth. Or the Son of God. But he was and still is a teacher of seers. I suppose I would call him the ultimate Man of Knowledge while he was here on earth, if I had to put it into Don Juan's terms. But he was and is much more than that. There were Prophets in the Old Testament and the New Testament but they did not mess with inorganics, though they could see them. One was caught up into heaven, Elijah. Elisha, his student I believe raised the dead. Enoch "walked with God and Was Not for God took him." Some very powerful men. There were also Sorcerer's in both the Old and New Testaments. They did mess with inorganics and other such things. so they could be roughly equated with the Old Seers, I suppose. I suppose they would be close to what Don Juan called the Old Seers but a much different lineage being that they were from the Middle East. Such knowledge was taught in Egypt and Greece and the regions around Mesopotamia. |
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