Carlos Castaneda

[Guest]

Enchantra wrote:

I am having a hard time envisioning a sorcerer who lives in the tonal, only. 
I would too.

[Nu Lang]

IB energy is not the same as the nagual. And of course here it depends of how one defines nagual. So, using CCs definition that is.



A regular sorcerer still has the human form. Hence still in the tonal...again in reference to the CC quote, what I think Carlos meant by a nagual being able to reside in both nagaul and tonal.

[ninth octave]

Hi Dreamways,
Got this really interesting quote from you over at the Nagual Forum. Could  you explain this somewhat further here.
Thanks
..."Although CC is not technically dead from an energetic standpoint, he is no longer an individual, which means that it is virtually impossible for anyone to unravel much about him anymore.   It isn't possible to find him in dreaming, touch his energy body, learn anything about him now since he no longer possesses a separate energy body." ... Dreamways

[Nu Lang]

Ninth, Dreamways is currently banned for posting untrue stuff after being warned about it.



I say if you found CC in dreaming then that contradicts what DW wrote, and I'd be inclined to follow my own experience over what another says anyway.

[Guest]

Nu Lang wrote:Ninth, Dreamways is currently banned for posting untrue stuff after being warned about it.



I say if you found CC in dreaming then that contradicts what DW wrote, and I'd be inclined to follow my own experience over what another says anyway.
I found him in dreaming about two weeks ago.   He was hard to catch, but he was definitely there.

[ninth octave]

Yes, Enchantra , I too have seen CC in dreaming.  Was wondering how dreamways came to his conjecture.

[scout1]

[scout1]

Path of Cosmic Wisdom

[scout1]

He had many epithets which alluded to different aspects of his deity: Titlacauan ("We are his Slaves"), Ipalnemoani ("He by whom we live"), Necoc Yaotl ("Enemy of Both Sides")..



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tezcatlipoca

[Guest]

scout1 wrote:
Castaneda is evil, after his death, and thats the point folks..
You really think he was evil scout? I think in the end castaneda went crazy, but I wouldn't say he was evil.
What made him evil, to you?

[scout1]

Armando Torres s book and especially commentaries in the Wheel of Time elaborate on that.

[Guest]

scout1 wrote:

intentional relations to "CC religion" are extremely serious affair: Its the world of sorcerers of ancient Mexico.




CC religion? I don't know what this is.  But doesn't make sense to me in that Toltec is a pathway that the sorcers of ancient mexico followed, as did CC.  Is that the 'religion' you refer to?

[scout1]

[Turin Otzaki]

Scout what are you doing on this forum if you think that CC was evil?

[scout1]

He was not evil, You should read more carefully..



I have said he is "evil" after his death.



He is not like DJ after his death.





Do You understand that ?





I seems like You do not understand..







i. primarily you do not know what is evil ( primarily ignorance)



ii. you do not know what is with CC after his death (read nagual.yuku.com)

[alien]

scout1 wrote:

Castaneda is not a new age, its extremely serious affair, and on this forum, its mixed with all kind of rubbish and ****
So why are you here if that is your belief system?  You make statements, but don't back them up, but then again... how could you?  To say CC was evil after his death is a somewhat blanket statement that cannot be validated through any rational (or even irrational) means. 
Are you genuinely afraid of the Toltec path, or is there some other reason for this type of statement?

[scout1]

I know what i am speaking about. You can know about this darkness too.



DJ himself told his lineage ( Fire from Within and ) could turn into darkness with CC in the end, and it



happened.





This dark shadow is sorcery of Ancient Mexico.



If You think its New Age, you are ridiculously mistaken.

[scout1]

Alien: to be an active member is to use Dreaming. CC himself is an active member. So it could be verified. But i have warned You in 4-5 actual posts.. about inorganic sorcerers or sorcerers after physical death and about sorcery of ancient mexico in general



so do not tell me this nonsense it cant be verified..



CC has not dissolved into Infinity.



You can verify much more and much more important things...



But you do not need to verify every demon, devil or ancient "god"..





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I agree that CC, or comparative term "CC religion", as mere belief system, is not active affair, its cultish, ignorant (or like to be a fan, you can be a fan of star wars.. and you can be a fan of some black metal band too..) especially if you mix it with another cultish data ( i have seen folks here with demonic urantia ufo cult masking behind Jesus, wingmakers with some ugly paintings, not only false prophet but quite disgusting things, i think even the Zen forum is completely misleading, ideas are ideas, its related to knowledge or ignorance, karma, ones action, and personal power. Ignorance is evil, primarily.



All New age is low. I do not like that at all. You absolutely cant relate that to CC.



I did mistake to post here not relating to CC

[scout1]

Dreamways, whom i consider for only one single relevant sorcerer here, or the only real sorcer here, posted about CC on his blog nagual.yuku.com





I consider him ( Dreamways, he is an active member) as an authority on that, for i wont go directly to



the world where CC is.



I wont go visit Devil, too. I do not need that.





So, as to the very verification, You can verify it verily thru Dreaming. Or ask Your friends, who can, if You

do dreaming, You can ask inorganic beings, but i do not recomnend that.

[scout1]

Are not demons or devils and hungry ghosts "inorganic beings" ? Or Jinn.



I think dr. Castaneda did very wild act with that "inorganic beings" term.

[scout1]

One of the last things Mr. Dreamways posted, was related to Tezca... thats relation. And i have said its "active", same like DJ, and CC... thats company...



Same like its active to visit Anubis.. i have real data on that. Its possible to visit Anubis.. that was for an example, it could be possible to visit any other old forgoten "god" or actually demon. Even the Gods are real, buddhist says. Especially Tibetan buddhist are relating to that side. And the ancestors are real, our dead.



Dreaming is the universal, mythological active side. You do not need to go in the steps of Toltec sorcerers in the dreaming, You can use it You without influence, only if you are capable, but it was sign of good mental and spiritual health to be aware of ones dreams.

[alien]

scout1 wrote:
Alien: to be an active member is to use Dreaming. CC himself is an active member. So it could be verified. But i have warned You in 4-5 actual posts.. about inorganic sorcerers or sorcerers after physical death and about sorcery of ancient mexico in general
Do you realize how this sounds, even to someone such as myself who has been on the edge of the fringe all my life?  Heh.  Seriously, though... when you make blanket statements like this, you'd best be prepared to expand upon them, otherwise it just sounds like paranoia.  CC is an active member of... what?  The AARP?  The illuminati?  The Sorcerer's Union Local 101?
so do not tell me this nonsense it cant be verified..
Please - do enlighten me!  How will you verify it?  You say it can be verified, so by all means shed some light on how that would be done?  A Ouija board?  Tarot cards?  Praying to a certified Catholic saint?  How will you validate that Carlos Castaneda survived physical death and is now practicing evil sorcery in Tijuana?
CC has not dissolved into Infinity.
You say that like it's a bad thing.  One of the goals of nagualism is to keep one's awareness after death.  So... what's your beef?
You can verify much more and much more important things...
I ask again... show me. And for the record, I'm talking something quantifiable.  While Dreaming is the sorcerer's realm, I'm not prepared to accept someone else's "dreaming" as proof that CC is alive and well in Dreamland.  If you're going to make a blanket statement in the real world, I would like to know how you would validate this in "the real world."
But you do not need to verify every demon, devil or ancient "god"..
I hate to break it to you, but there's only you, your awareness and your intent and will.  It's unfortunate that the foreign installation is designed in such a way as to try to make us dependent on belief systems which do one thing and one alone:  they rob us of our personal power by handing it off to deities and demons, none of which have EVER shown any proof of their existence, except through the doings of Man (which, ultimately, means the only demons, devils & ancient gods ARE Man).  But I digress.  Point is... if I were going to believe in demons, devils or ancient gods, I would damn well insist on being able to verify their existence.  I'm just quirky that way.  Heh.  And if I'm being asked to believe that Carlos is alive and well and terrorizing mortals from beyond the grave, I'm going to ask for something more than a blanket statement.

Just for the record... nothing personal intended here.  I'm just curious as to what you're doing on a Toltec forum if you see it primarily as a "religion".  Nagualism is not a religion but essentially a way of living and be-ing.  It is not based in faith, but in practice and personal experience.  Religion is just something people believe in defiance of all logic and reason.
Just my 2 cents worth.  Your mileage may vary.

[scout1]

Leave CC alone.



But he did a very good job on erasing personal history.. as to the data, books and internet sources..



very good job.. perfectly contradicted..



People do not know about the shaman ... detractors issue included.. Runyan, Jennings and Wallace...





so You think he simply made it all up, whats an ultimate success in erasing personal history for



historical, public nagual CC...





very good job.



Only a sorcerer, a shaman could meet Carlos.. he is shielded by the result of erasing



personal history after his death...





it was a good job, till the end.

[scout1]

Only new agers on this forum are sometimes bothering him with their faith ,)





i say, he is evil, after his death, like a devil... he was not. now he is dead and is evil.



I dont think you can understand

[scout1]

start giving etnographic data..