03-22-2011, 12:01 AM
read Armando Torres s book...
read the Torrres s book.
read the Torrres s book.
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Carlos Castaneda
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03-22-2011, 12:01 AM
scout1 wrote:
Alien: myself who has been on the edge of the fringe all my life.. what does it mean to be on a fringe ? I You mean "dreaming" ? yeah, dreaming, thats a part of cultural job dr. Castaneda did.. haha.. but now i am writing to you because you have caught my entnological interested, so start giving etnographic data on your fringe... i can read your posts on nagual.yuku.com as well... so do not come here with such nonsense to this thread, either meet with CC or go hang yourself =)Sounds to me like you're off your meds or need to get some new ones. I have NO idea what you're talking about, and seriously doubt YOU do either. You make dozens of posts, yet say nothing of relevance, and after awhile one starts to wonder what your agenda really is. On the one hand, you say "Leave CC alone." In the next second, you're saying "Go meet with CC or hang yourself." Which is it? Who are you and what game are you playing?
03-22-2011, 12:01 AM
Those inorganic sorcerers are not lucid dreaming new ager s friends.
03-22-2011, 12:01 AM
In the 90s CC said he is or they are no island of solace, no refugee at all.
And much more after his dead. Do not confuse CC after his death with your mom or dad..
03-22-2011, 12:01 AM
Alien, new agers, and less inteligent readers:
Maybe you have noticed that CC was declared dead.. So CC was declared dead. And there is a huge difference inbetween CC before dead and after dead, or any other comparable active member. I have tried to explain it here, the significance of that huge difference and the link to the world of sorcerers of ancient mexico.
03-22-2011, 12:01 AM
scout1 wrote:
what dont you understand ? CC is after dead of his physical body; is inorganic; is active; and is dark. If You do not agree on some point, tell me. But i wont argue with You on the last, that he is "dark", because Your, ehm "education", is not allowing that. But You can meet with him. Instead we can argue if Devil himself is "dark" or not. Yes, its relative. Those inorganic sorcerers are not lucid dreaming new ager s friends. It's not that I don't understand. The point I'm attempting to make is that everything you are saying is every bit as much a belief system as any organized religion. You've simply put Castaneda in the role of The Devil, but there is no more proof/validation for that than there ever has been for existence of ANY god or devil. But, okay, for the sake of argument, let's say you're right. Let's say CC transcended physical death and became an organic. Why would he bother with humans at all? What does he gain? Inorganics don't need our energy - that's just another hokey new age myth! The universe is made of energy. It's all around us, and is readily available directly from the fabric of the cosmos. So those who like to say this or that dark entity is "feeding on our energy" really need to take a moment to examine the workings of physics AND meta-physics. In most cases, it's nothing more than humanform self-importance that makes someone believe their energy is so special that someone or something would want to feed on it. The reality is quite different. Energy that is in use (such as the energy that comprises a human consciousness) is actually unavailable to be used elsewhere. Simple statement of fact. So that being the case, what would a dark-oriented inorganic dead sorcerer WANT with humans at all? I don't think he needs my MasterCard. Maybe it's just me, but I think that if I transcended death and became an inorganic, I could find better things to do than hang out in orbit over Uranus and torment human Dreamers. It simply doesn't make sense - and as much as sorcery is rooted in magic, it also works on the principles of logic, particularly in a quantum state. I've dreamed with don Juan on occasion. Also with sorcerers every bit as powerful at DJM and maybe moreso. They do not appear to have any personal agenda because, in their words, "What would be the point in stealing energy from a battery when we are already plugged into the universe at the source?" Think about it. So when you say CC is a dark dead sorcerer, I'd like to know how you would define his agenda. Dark in what way? And are you certain YOUR perceptions are reliable and that you aren't making assumptions with regard to your conclusions?? Meaning: we see all sorts of things all the time. A *seer* sees things as they are. An ordinary man draws conclusions rooted in his existing belief systems - the result being that a seer stands at the garbage dump and observes the interconnectedness of the garbage, the flies, and the garbage trucks bringing in more and more. An ordinary man stands at the garbage dump and says, "Gee, isn't it strange how the flies cause all this garbage!" In this case (your case), you keep saying CC is dark, but can give no examples of how or even why you say that. "Dark." How so? Did he kick your dog or bite your grandma? What? This will probably be my last post on the subject, because obviously there's nowhere for the conversation to go. I simply wanted to emphasize that when you make sweeping statements that cannot be validated by any rational means, be prepared to be questioned. Toltec and nagualism are about eradicating belief systems, including their own. When we strip away the stuff we automatically accept as "fact", we generally find that the universe is a neutral canvas that responds to our creative energy. You can create a world of dark sorcerers and live in fear, or you can wake up our own awareness and *see*. Bottom line: what difference does it make even IF everything you say is true? I don't think CC stays up late figuring out ways to thwart humans anymore than the devil is off harvesting souls. What would be the point? Regards,
03-22-2011, 12:01 AM
I didn't read too far back, but seems to me that all Scout is saying is that CC is dark. Where do you get harvesting souls?
03-22-2011, 12:01 AM
Scout, you're crazy, and I wonder sometimes why you're at this forum if you believe all this stuff about CC.
CC died and no one knows what happened to him after death. He was rather self important toward the end so he might have been food for the eagle. I don't, however, see him as dark. I think he did a lot of drugs and it messed up his mind. I might consider it dark what happened with the Witches though. But CC died just a very self important old man. End of story. No one knows the state of his soul after that.
03-22-2011, 12:01 AM
Exactly Datura and I think we are all getting a bit bored of your endless repetitive belief system Scout. If you are anti Castaneda, go join an anti Castaneda forum.
03-22-2011, 12:01 AM
it is intent.. to be hooked on the intent, what can possibly be "dark"
harvesting Your souls ? It could be only harvesting your souls thru hooking on intent.. Sorry for pulling your leg, i was meaning this. You are an aeroplane.
03-23-2011, 12:01 AM
Sedna wrote:
I didn't read too far back, but seems to me that all Scout is saying is that CC is dark. Where do you get harvesting souls?Heh. I was being facetious. Here's why. When someone makes a statement such as Scout, saying that CC survived physical death and is now a dark inorganic sorcerer, I tend to expect some manner of explanation be forthcoming. Like you, I want examples. When none are forthcoming, it becomes obvious that belief systems are fully operational and not reason. At that point, might as well believe Carlos is harvesting souls on a Ouija board and slaughtering baby gay whales for Cthulu. *gotta laugh* Sorcery has its own unique form of logic & reason. When that is abdicated altogether, it just becomes chaos. So when a sorcerer says someone is "dark", I want to know what methodology they are using to reach that conclusion. Scout finally said "Dreaming," and while I don't accept that as a universal truth, I do accept it as Scout's truth. If he himself perceived CC as "dark" through his dreaming, so be it. I accept his experience as valid, though not necessarily his conclusion.
03-23-2011, 12:01 AM
About Carlos Castaneda the man...you can't con a con artist.
03-23-2011, 12:01 AM
ninth octave wrote:
About Carlos Castaneda the man...you can't con a con artist. Good point. So, out of curiosity, do you think CC was a con artist? What I'm asking is whether or not you think his books are valid as a report of a system of knowledge (nagualism), or did he make it up as he went along? I'd really like to hear what others here think on that subject.
03-23-2011, 12:01 AM
alien wrote:
ninth octave wrote: About Carlos Castaneda the man...you can't con a con artist. Good point. So, out of curiosity, do you think CC was a con artist? What I'm asking is whether or not you think his books are valid as a report of a system of knowledge (nagualism), or did he make it up as he went along? I'd really like to hear what others here think on that subject. Personally, I believe CC did encounter a real nagual in Mexico. Whether his name was Don Juan or not doesn't matter or from what lineage doesn't matter. I think CC was moreso a visionary - more than a nagual. I think CC 's intent for his readers was to unveil and take a ride on the "cosmic vagina" as he could easily demonstrate it's accessability for anyone who is willing to venture deeply within the tonal and nagual of oneself. Did he make it up as he went along? I think CC took the earlier encounters with DJ in the early 1960's by disseminating these original teachings of Don Juan through out the course of all his books. These stages and states of heighten awareness probably came about by needed experiment with the power plants that DJ gave to get his AP to stay were these transmissions were possible. I wouldn't be surprised if all his writings from that point forward were done while sitting down in front a stack of unpublished papers from UCLA. I believe he could go deep into active dreaming were he could more or less channel upon Don Juan teachings. From the late 1970's onward, I think CC started living a lavished perverted lifestyle that lead to his demise. I truly believe Castaneda was a man of knowledge who knew too much and could see how things became easily fabricated.
03-23-2011, 12:01 AM
ninth octave wrote:
alien wrote: ninth octave wrote: About Carlos Castaneda the man...you can't con a con artist. Good point. So, out of curiosity, do you think CC was a con artist? What I'm asking is whether or not you think his books are valid as a report of a system of knowledge (nagualism), or did he make it up as he went along? I'd really like to hear what others here think on that subject. Personally, I believe CC did encounter a real nagual in Mexico. Whether his name was Don Juan or not doesn't matter or from what lineage doesn't matter. I think CC was moreso a visionary - more than a nagual. I think CC 's intent for his readers was to unveil and take a ride on the "cosmic vagina" as he could easily demonstrate it's accessability for anyone who is willing to venture deeply within the tonal and nagual of oneself. Did he make it up as he went along? I think CC took the earlier encounters with DJ in the early 1960's by disseminating these original teachings of Don Juan through out the course of all his books. These stages and states of heighten awareness probably came about by needed experiment with the power plants that DJ gave to get his AP to stay were these transmissions were possible. I wouldn't be surprised if all his writings from that point forward were done while sitting down in front a stack of unpublished papers from UCLA. I believe he could go deep into active dreaming were he could more or less channel upon Don Juan teachings. From the late 1970's onward, I think CC started living a lavished perverted lifestyle that lead to his demise. I truly believe Castaneda was a man of knowledge who knew too much and could see how things became easily fabricated. Very interesting. That's pretty much what I would have said myself!
03-30-2011, 12:01 AM
ok. i admit he is not evil. You are not evil Carlos. I was only trying to spare, to alleviate him from your attention.
So stop being stupid. Stupidity is the dark side. -- "I think CC 's intent for his readers was to unveil and take a ride on the "cosmic vagina" as he could easily demonstrate it's accessability for anyone who is willing to venture deeply within the tonal and nagual of oneself. " Correct. Thats precisely it. To unveil and take a ride on the "cosmic vagina". You are smart ,) (Certainly, you can dream with CC if you can dream with DJ, but i have not recommended it to you already) "From the late 1970's onward, I think CC started living a lavished perverted lifestyle that lead to his demise" You dont know.. bullshit. --- The worst has already happened. We’re dead already. But don Juan’s idea was, ‘Let’s put up a fight before they find and prove that we’re dead.’ Let’s deprive the Flyers of their nourishment. We can dry them up. If we deprive them of their nourishment, they’ll go away."
04-15-2011, 12:01 AM
Miss USA talks of bizarre 'Carlos Castaneda moment'
http://www.thespoof.com/n...of.cfm?headline=s4i19707
04-15-2011, 12:01 AM
04-16-2011, 12:01 AM
Oh my. I do believe you've come close to hitting the nail on the head.
scout1 wrote:This is the effect of the glamor of kundalini; exaggerated ego and realization of self-importance. Hence the deep-seated pathology - "I was chosen for power"... Even so, the character of don Juan as well as the other Nagual characters remain intriguing, perhaps akin in many ways to Chinese Zen masters...very similar attributes. All of those characters, imo, serve to provide examples of how one may achieve. Discounting the "magic", there are still exercises don Juan describes that are of value, primarily recapitulation, something certainly not unique to "nagualism". Pretty much caveat emptor, re Castaneda. Thanks for the link. Anyone who quotes the superb first lines of the Dhammapada has his **** together, imo. |
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