The Four Moods of Stalking

[serloco]

“It was happening. At least in that little section of the salon, women were connecting and doing what women knew how to do, show compassion, nurturing—helping someone fit in.”

― Terri Gillespie, Cut It Out!

[trinsic]

Yeah you know billy and serloco you guys sound like the same person, most of this being way off topic. I appreciate the input on the topic. but the stuff that is being thrown about back and forth, a lot of it sounds like self importance. could you guys create your own topic for for stuff not related to my question. Thanks.

[serloco]

Really.. off topic eh? I do not see that. Of course on first glimpse it would appear that my talking about work is off topic. But everything follows the designs of the Spirit. It is like a blueprint set. You set the moment for exploring compassion and thus you should be aware that the spirit has descended to teach you a lesson in this way. It does not matter the course of the flow, the blueprint is set to teach you. I came in with knowledge of compassion and proceeded to beckon along with you in the designs of compassion. And sure enough billy came in afterwards and even offered me help in my way. Surely his act of compassion towards me must also be part of the Spirit's design wouldn't you say? If we had not set up this moment in this fashion and proceeded to activate certain knowledge and intent would I have received the help? Would I received the help if I deemed compassion as a sham? Nothing in my opinion is ever off topic, never out of place. I know I am different i this regard but it is my position nonetheless.

[trinsic]

serloco wrote:Really.. off topic eh? I do not see that. Of course on first glimpse it would appear that my talking about work is off topic. But everything follows the designs of the Spirit. It is like a blueprint set. You set the moment for exploring compassion and thus you should be aware that the spirit has descended to teach you a lesson in this way. It does not matter the course of the flow, the blueprint is set to teach you. I came in with knowledge of compassion and proceeded to beckon along with you in the designs of compassion. And sure enough billy came in afterwards and even offered me help in my way. Surely his act of compassion towards me must also be part of the Spirit's design wouldn't you say? If we had not set up this moment in this fashion and proceeded to activate certain knowledge and intent would I have received the help? Would I received the help if I deemed compassion as a sham? Nothing in my opinion is ever off topic, never out of place. I know I am different i this regard but it is my position nonetheless.

maybe I am off topic or lost the orginal memory of the topic. I wanted to respond to you orginal response that compassion being another form of self importance. You said it was wrong? Right. Well maybe we are just misunderstanding it. I mean why would Don Juan say that? Unless there is some element of truth to it

[Billy]

Trinsic:  I realize you would rather hear from GOD--i.e. serloco, but I recognize MY own self-importance here to say you do the same.  The discussion of compassion here moved circularily, and neither upheld the truth or falsity of Don Juan's, billy's , serloco's, gug's, whoever's view of compassion.

     WHAT does one want to project here about compassion to make it REAL?  

You say Don Juan this/that.  Don Juan uses the four moods in controlled folly.  Compassion is very REAL,  it is not very REAL.  Being stuck on yin and yang is to miss what flows black and white (laughter> and fifty shades of grey).

   Am I more constrictive, or am I more fluid?  Your ego determines either answer about me or yourself.    



awareness

You have a problem with that, and not compassion.

[Billy]

I realized I just spoke to myself.  Huh---I am such an.....     (funny)

[serloco]

trinsic wrote:
serloco wrote:Really.. off topic eh? I do not see that. Of course on first glimpse it would appear that my talking about work is off topic. But everything follows the designs of the Spirit. It is like a blueprint set. You set the moment for exploring compassion and thus you should be aware that the spirit has descended to teach you a lesson in this way. It does not matter the course of the flow, the blueprint is set to teach you. I came in with knowledge of compassion and proceeded to beckon along with you in the designs of compassion. And sure enough billy came in afterwards and even offered me help in my way. Surely his act of compassion towards me must also be part of the Spirit's design wouldn't you say? If we had not set up this moment in this fashion and proceeded to activate certain knowledge and intent would I have received the help? Would I received the help if I deemed compassion as a sham? Nothing in my opinion is ever off topic, never out of place. I know I am different i this regard but it is my position nonetheless.


maybe I am off topic or lost the orginal memory of the topic. I wanted to respond to you orginal response that compassion being another form of self importance. You said it was wrong? Right. Well maybe we are just misunderstanding it. I mean why would Don Juan say that? Unless there is some element of truth to it
There is an element of truth to it, and as I told you I have explored fully don Juan's awareness in the matter. I changed my reality to see a world void of compassion. It was cold and ugly. It was not the original awareness of the world but one I actively sought from my ally, form don Juan's awareness. It is why I said it is good to retain compassion in your world as real, because it can be fake or real depending on the awareness you possess and intend. It is why I said you should keep the positive elements of self-importance in your existence. Just because you feel pity for someone in pain and want to help them does not make the feeling wrong r negative in any way. Some of the greatest breakthroughs in science ad medicine and the tripuphs of our time is from having compassion and understanding for our fellow men in need. You should look objectively at the pros and cons and decide for yourself if you want to remain compassionate or eliminate it from yourself and your world. I have already decided from experence in both positions and compassion is a beautiful and life serving element of nature. It is natural.

[trinsic]

billy wrote:Trinsic:  I realize you would rather hear from GOD--i.e. serloco, but I recognize MY own self-importance here to say you do the same.  The discussion of compassion here moved circularily, and neither upheld the truth or falsity of Don Juan's, billy's , serloco's, gug's, whoever's view of compassion.

     WHAT does one want to project here about compassion to make it REAL?  

You say Don Juan this/that.  Don Juan uses the four moods in controlled folly.  Compassion is very REAL,  it is not very REAL.  Being stuck on yin and yang is to miss what flows black and white (laughter> and fifty shades of grey).

   Am I more constrictive, or am I more fluid?  Your ego determines either answer about me or yourself.    
[color=75]awareness[/color]

You have a problem with that, and not compassion.
This is true, I lost track of the orginal intention.
I have a problem with not knowing balance?

[trinsic]

serloco wrote:trinsic wroteerloco wrote:Really.. off topic eh? I do not see that. Of course on first glimpse it would appear that my talking about work is off topic. But everything follows the designs of the Spirit. It is like a blueprint set. You set the moment for exploring compassion and thus you should be aware that the spirit has descended to teach you a lesson in this way. It does not matter the course of the flow, the blueprint is set to teach you. I came in with knowledge of compassion and proceeded to beckon along with you in the designs of compassion. And sure enough billy came in afterwards and even offered me help in my way. Surely his act of compassion towards me must also be part of the Spirit's design wouldn't you say? If we had not set up this moment in this fashion and proceeded to activate certain knowledge and intent would I have received the help? Would I received the help if I deemed compassion as a sham? Nothing in my opinion is ever off topic, never out of place. I know I am different i this regard but it is my position nonetheless.
maybe I am off topic or lost the orginal memory of the topic. I wanted to respond to you orginal response that compassion being another form of self importance. You said it was wrong? Right. Well maybe we are just misunderstanding it. I mean why would Don Juan say that? Unless there is some element of truth to itThere is an element of truth to it, and as I told you I have explored fully don Juan's awareness in the matter. I changed my reality to see a world void of compassion. It was cold and ugly. It was not the original awareness of the world but one I actively sought from my ally, form don Juan's awareness. It is why I said it is good to retain compassion in your world as real, because it can be fake or real depending on the awareness you possess and intend. It is why I said you should keep the positive elements of self-importance in your existence. Just because you feel pity for someone in pain and want to help them does not make the feeling wrong r negative in any way. Some of the greatest breakthroughs in science ad medicine and the tripuphs of our time is from having compassion and understanding for our fellow men in need. You should look objectively at the pros and cons and decide for yourself if you want to remain compassionate or eliminate it from yourself and your world. I have already decided from experence in both positions and compassion is a beautiful and life serving element of nature. It is natural. 


I feel like I indulge in compassion and lose myself so it might be different for me.

[Billy]

Trinsic, I am only too glad to talk, but I was thinking about 'teachers.'  You get some more poignant cues from a person you assign that perception, but I will say it is possible (true or not) only to teach yourself.
The best learning is to have the ideas that resonate (you trust them to be true) in self-reflection.

  Then, invariably you can build upon that.  Ironically, once you leave the previous idea alone it has a habit of receiving an external reinforcement when you think you are in receptive states.  If not knowing a sense of balance is a question, then answer it. 

   Don't be a seeker, be a SEER.

[Billy]

By the way, teachers can be books, activity, anything.  I find self-reasoning to be crucial to self-confidence.

[Mornings Son]

the positive elements of self-importance in your existence... Serloco wrote
this makes me think
being compassion as a controlled folly... Don Julian?

The true nature of Spirit is good ... it is the life energy that sustain us. Don Juan embraced Mother Earth and declared his Love, right??
Compassion is in our spirit that is connected and maybe aligned with Spirit... aka the Command of The Eagle
One the path with Heart it is my experience that compassion is a very satisfying act.

[Billy]

Mornings Son--"Touching through time and space Feel the energetic connection The Wheel of Light"   Perhaps you can afix to me what I would want to take from that, or/and what it is you say.

[Mornings Son]

Billy cool question, thx )))
"Touching through time and space Feel the energetic connection The Wheel of Light" 
It is a poetic invitation to feel connected to a/the party/group and 'structure' of group connections coming out of many of us aligning with the command of the Eagle 

Interesting enough today I googled 'the Wheel of Light'. I did not know that somebody else used that expression. 
(oh, my trying to be original and special failed)

from the page this quote, not far from what I think. 
(the children of the Lord... please read 'children of the Eagle and Earth' or something.
Christianity makes me puke...
 “The children of the Lord who will benefit from this movement of energy we call The Wheel of Light will ‘absolutely know’ it is part of their pathway. If they are ready, if their evolution is progressing to a point where their vibration is resonating with these energies, there will be no question in their minds. Their consciousness will speak to them and they will just ‘know’ that they have to be connected to this source. All truth comes through the heart and those with the heart open and ready to see the truth at this level will feel the truth within them speak. They will feel the truth of The Wheel of Light.”
“The Wheel of Light is a gateway which is being opened into Earth at this time, and it’s light will call out to the children who are meant to pass through it’s doors. Many lessons will unfold for each individual through the connection. One of these lessons will be trust.
“Lack of trust is a great limiting factor in the evolution of human beings. There is great fear around trusting that you are protected; trusting that you are guided; trusting in many things which are of the nature of creation and the process of moving forwards. Trust is learning to open your heart. Without the opening of the heart, evolution cannot take place. Therefore, those who are fearful will not trust The Wheel of Light. Quite simply, this is because their evolution has not reached a point where they can step into the unknown in trust. Those whose evolution is approaching the highest vibrations of spirituality in Earth at this time will hear the call.”
“The doors will be opened, but only those who can perceive the pathway will enter. Throughout history, there have been those who could see and understand the hidden meanings in the messages of the teachers, and there have been those who just could not understand and would continue to question. The time is now with us where many are opening and understanding.”
“If The Wheel of Light calls to you, then you will feel it in your heart. If you feel the call in your heart, then you will not question, you will have no fear of trusting in the process, you will just know.”

[serloco]

Yes Morning Son, it is a matter of controlled folly.. Compassion may be chosen ad embraced or it may be discarded.. Personally I find the world a better state with it, and it makes me feel good about myself as well as receiving positive energy from the world. To and from. I choose the positive side of energy most often and use the negative side for removing negatives, or setting new free space for growth and development. New awareness. THe tumbler turns over the crop so new crops may be set. However the crop that is nourishing and sustaining is a crop worth keeping.

[Guest]

I am brand new to this forum, but not, however to Carlos Casteneda's work, Don Juan's wisdom, ot stalking the best it is possible for me to be. I have been actively seeking my truth for over 50 years. I remember when I first read Don Juan's teaching about the four moods of stalking and I was shocked by the notion as well, as it is so different than what most of us have been taught to believe, but like all truth, the truth  of the state of Ruthlessnesst must  be experienced to be understood.
    For what it is worth to you, this is my take on the subject of Ruthlessness:
               First of all, Don Juan called Ruthlessness the Place of No Pity and he states,  "that without the force of pity behind it compassion is a sham."
Let's discuss Pity. You cannot love or respect anything you feel pity for. I's not possible. You must consider a thing pathetic to feel pity for it. That is a judgement and judgements have no power, and are only meaningful to the one who holds it. Powerless to me means unable to change anything either for the better or for worse. A waste of energy for the one who judges and meaningless for the object of your judgement of Pity.
             Now, as far as compassion, when you break it down, compassion means to share passion or strong feeling with another. Let me ask you this, if you came into an emergency room because you are hurt from either illness or injury, how would you feel if all the nurses, doctors, and technicians sat, or stood around your bed and cried with you, told you how sorry they felt for you, but never took action to improve your condition and to alleviate your misery? When someone is in pain, whether emotional or physical, they don't need you to despair with them, they need you to remind them that this will pass, they are healthy and to take action to make it so.  Think of when the Naugals Julian and Elias reacted in response to the traumas of Don Juan and Julian. Ruthlessness is how they were able to be clear headed enough and energetic enough to do what needed to be done in each case.
            Although we generally think of compassion in the terms stated above.  as it is defined it could mean the joining of anyone's strong emotion; anger, righteousness, hatred, or prejudice. That is the joining of passions (compassion) back of mob rule or fanatacism, "joining a just cause", so to speak. One who is susceptible to being swept away by strong emotion, is giving up the power to choose how they think and will feel if anything at all.
             Now, all that being said remember this.  The Place of No Pity is one space upon which your assemblage point can land, not a permanent state. That is why there are four "moods" energies of stalking, and we do well to move between those 4  to be impeccable warriors. ("The Way of the Samuri") (Native American," Brotherhood of the Shields" medicine) The Chinese classic (I Ching)
              The truth is found in many traditions, and my advice to anyone studying the Way as taught by Don Juan, is to make use of dictionaries. His wording is precise and I found dictioanries and thesauraus invaluable to the understanding of his lessons. I don't believe you can accept part of his teachings and disregard other parts. You either believe he knew what he was talking about or not.  I think it much more likely that some of the truths he teaches must be growm into. Bless my soul, I'm still trying. That's how I found this message board tonight.
La 'Becca

[serloco]

they there and welcome.. good to a new face. compassion is nothing wrong or negative. it is a feeling based from love and feel sorry or sad based om another poor stateof being or trauma. cmpassion inspires people to help others through love and understanding. it is not nor has anything to with the negative emotions but for a true example is that you could feel compassion for someone who has an anger problem.

the four moods of stalking deal with the states of being that help with stalking n gaining awareness. they help you with gaining a perfect stance in dealing with your intent/will.

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