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QS I just want to acknowledge you here, This fazing in and out is one aspect. All this is a dream, what you are describing as the second attention, coming into your day time experience and the human form being a memory in a picture book. Is part of the integration of the energetic part of us, into this realm, along with this integration is an energetic boost of potential related to intend. This energy body hooks us to intent in a different way, and the intent of the first attention looses its exclusive grip. The intensity and speed familiar in dreaming layers into this realm and effects the everyday body on a molecular level. This is the incremental safe method of moving the assemblage point, little by little test this try that awe now I see, Okay next lesson, and the tonal is teaching the energy body the ropes in this realm, The energy body will sense the tonal and feel any discord, and because it has power it can do things in ways unthinkable to the average human to resolve issues in completely different ways than how the tonal would, but there starts to be a balance. That balance is the third attention
Some drugs and mental illness can be seen as an integration of the energy body so this is not a cakewalk, this is raising the intensity. while not loosing the self.
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nemo wrote:
"We have a tendency to forget that it is the double that has the choice to bypass the Eagle... not the tonal self."
This is second attention bias, stated as clearly as can be, thank you who ever said it earlier and you agree glance? hmm and you Lone Wolf?
There is no eagle to bypass, it is only a description of an energetic state, the path to that state is not to give the tonal self second status at all, but to give it a different view, correct information, another working construct, and the energy not to **** out under pressure.
Sure, in terms of a description, I agree...it's as good a description as any...even your description, for that matter. I've never seen it, so don't have anything to add to descriptions already flying around out there. "Energetic state"....another description..."second attention status", "different view", "****"....more of the same. "Correct information"...now that's an interesting couple of words right there...but again, another description. But I'm curious to hear more about what you think is "correct information" in the context of what's being discussed.
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Hi nemo
I said that and you are correct. It is absolutely second attention bias! No Eagle?? Its a metaphor for losing the constructed self. There is an opportunity for me to die awake. And it is the double that will remain awake.... if I make that choice over entering the nahual completely.
Hey, I'm perfectly ok with the process and the perspective being different for others.
Dok
nemo wrote:
"We have a tendency to forget that it is the double that has the choice to bypass the Eagle... not the tonal self."
This is second attention bias, stated as clearly as can be, thank you who ever said it earlier and you agree glance? hmm and you Lone Wolf?
There is no eagle to bypass, it is only a description of an energetic state, the path to that state is not to give the tonal self second status at all, but to give it a different view, correct information, another working construct, and the energy not to **** out under pressure.
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Your views are correct for your bias lol, nobody is right and wrong in that sense. Everyone and everything is perfect as they are. When I say correct it is again relevant to another bias, this time one from the third attention construct. Your views from my bias which I consider correct relating to third attention is that you descriptions displace now. These descriptions of yours are different than mine in the sense of having time.
Glance you have sloughed me off any time you have engaged me as isn't that a quaint little seer description that nemo has Your replies would be different if you actually saw what I said, and then you could add to the third attention bias as Archaos does,
Your post count Glance is in the thousands, point me in the direction of a comprehensive description of the third attention and let me have a look at it, you can't because you are a warrior of the second attention.
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I'm questioning your presentation of certainty..."bias" as you put it...the defense of which seems to be a little more inflamed in this last post. You do alot of categorizing, I've noticed, Nemo. Categorizing with the tone of "fact" infusing it. No offense, but I just don't trust it, from where I'm standing.
Why are you pitting post counts against one another? Second time I've seen you do this. More comparisons to prove a point...a point buried in a world of ideas, seems to me. As for pointing you in any direction, I won't because there's nothing to point to....I've never laid claims to "third attention" experience. In fact, I hardly indulge in thoughts about the difference between the two...or three...or however many attentions there are supposed to be...anymore. You say I'm a "second attention warrior"? LOL Let me demote myself, in your eyes, and remove all presumed sense of threat. I'm no "second attention warrior" at all. I can barely remember my dreams, for the most part. I've had some interesting experiences in dreaming and while meditating..but that's about it. "Level Zero" as Po would say in Kung Fu Panda 'Cept no talking rat is wondering whether or not I'm the "Dragon Warrior". I'm just some guy trying to deepen my experience of being alive. That's it....no more.
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My certainty comes from two things "seeing" and experiencing what my description can do.
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Well, part of that experience is my questioning the conclusions you draw from your seeing, so...you can add that to the data
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I really don't mean to de-value stalking. I mean to define it more clearly.
Stalking/becoming is the slower time process of realising what we see.
Seeing is like a glimpse into the future. By future I don't mean the linear one.
Future is a faster time/frequency/speed or greater intensity. It is the linear future in stalking -
"someday I'll be the totality of myself after i do x, y, z." But that someday already exists
now in another time/dimension/faster freq.
Stalking is familiarising ourselves with a new dreaming position.
When I say everything and everyplace and everytime is the same - infinity is here - and the only
difference is intensity, it makes things sound uneventful, homogeneous. It is in some sense.
But for the stalking position, there are totally new worlds seeming completely different. They are.
I don't mean to deny the radical nature of dimensional shifting.
But the difference is relative - very different when you first arrive; but very much the same and just
a different intensity of the previous dimension AFTER you've stalked it and become familiar.
You can leave the city and live in the jungle for a few years... at first it will be very new and different.
Eventually, you'll call it "home" and days will pass into days without thinking "wow, I'm in the jungle!"
Same for attentions and dimensions and worlds. I'm just emphasizing that it's all made of the same stuff
just vibrating faster or slower, having shorter or longer wavelengths.
The third attention is all those wavelengths and frequencies at once - the Whole - the entire cocoon as an AP.
This begs the unanswerable question, are the emanations at large the AP of something else?
Maybe there is perception beyond time as we know it.
When i leave the 1st attention, I leave my knowledge and inventory; but only to enter silent knowledge and the akashic inventory/records.
If everything is just exponential and intensity, there's no reason to think that this ever ends - that we ever reach an objective boundary.
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glance left wrote:Well, part of that experience is my questioning the conclusions you draw from your seeing, so...you can add that to the data Well Glance don't take this a the wrong way meaning an insult, but from my bias your relationship with time is contaminated. Routinely my bias sees the imprint of who I am dealing with and I act accordingly. I am a seer who can speak in Toltec jargon, but I could describe the energetic configuration of the third attention without using Toltec at all. So spirit has provided you with a chance to get data from a seer, free of charge, about what he sees in the language you should be able to understand. Understand if you rid yourself of the bias/contaminate stopping you from seeing as I do.
You have children, and as they grow up you will and have given them information as to how to behave in the world, and see whether they are getting what you say. You may need to say it a few times, or they may get it right away, The irreducible core heart of it all is a transfer of information, data and because you care about them you do your impeccable best.
I did say that it is the job of the contaminant to maintain and protect its bias, because its intent is to not be discovered. This is how I see you.
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Archaos said:
When I say everything and everyplace and everytime is the same - infinity is here - and the only
difference is intensity, it makes things sound uneventful, homogeneous. It is in some sense.
(nemo) Thx Archaos, another way to say this is that everything exists forever and eternal, the computer screen you are looking at right now is and always has been a position of the assemblage point in time, it is not new to creation, you are just lighting it up and it is new to you. What you light up is relative to the frequency your energy can maintain. It's beginnings have been molded, by the tonal of the times, and is now at you availability, because you have aligned with the emanations relative to your "frequency" or in Toltec terms "intensity" fitting your energetic level.
Infinity is here now right before your eyes, the sustained increase in energy allows for the alignment of emanations not molded by the tonal of the times, but does not exclude them.
DJ Tales of Power
"That's not creativity," he said. "That's only
molding. We can mold anything with our hands; personally or in conjunction with
the hands of other tonals. A group of tonals can mold anything; superb
structures as you said."
"But what's creativity then, don Juan?"
He stared at me, squinting his eyes. He chuckled softly,
lifted his right hand over his head and twisted his wrist with a sharp jerk, as
if he were turning a door knob.
"Creativity is this," he said and brought his hand
with a cupped palm to the level of my eyes.
It took me an incredibly long time to focus my eyes on his
hand. I felt that a transparent membrane was holding my whole body in a fixed
position, and that I had to break it in order to place my sight on his hand.
I struggled until beads of perspiration ran into my eyes.
Finally I heard or felt a pop, and my eyes and head jerked free.
On his right palm there was the most curious rodent I had ever
seen. It looked like a bushy-tailed squirrel. The tail, however, was more like
a porcupine's. It had stiff quills.
"Touch it!" don Juan said softly.
I automatically obeyed him and ran my finger on its soft back.
Don Juan brought his hand closer to my eyes and then I noticed something that
threw me into nervous spasms. The squirrel had eyeglasses and big teeth.
"It looks like a Japanese," I said and began to
laugh hysterically.
The rodent then started to grow in don Juan's palm. And while my eyes
were still filled with tears of laughter, the rodent became so enormous that it
disappeared. It literally went out of the frame of my vision.
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LOL! Well, no argument from me on that one. The floor is yours, Nemo....at least that small space I was standing on. Pontificate away Look out, though...I see your post count is rising by the hour
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glance left wrote:LOL! Well, no argument from me on that one. The floor is yours, Nemo....at least that small space I was standing on. Pontificate away Look out, though...I see your post count is rising by the hour pon·tif·i·cate 1. To express opinions or judgments in a dogmatic way.
I always put extreme pressure on myself to use words correctly to get across my seeing, if I happen to volunteer and opinion I always qualify it as such. In other words this is what you are not getting, I am not looking for your agreement or compliance, or argument, all of which you have offered, but your seeing of what I am saying. Seeing is not opinions and or judgments seeing is a definitive articulate process of mapping energy.
Carlos:
Closer than ever to freedom, these warriors are more independent and more self-sufficient than their predecessors. "But the most remarkable thing about them is their capacity of revision. At this time, seekers of knowledge are forced to thoroughly examine everything that has been said in the past, adapting traditional knowledge to the modality of the time, in order for the warrior's way to be truly and finally understood by people. "The technique which prevents that revision from drifting towards the capricious is seeing. To see the luminous nature of the world permits us to choose, without any possibility of error, the most appropriate symbols to transmit ideas.
I have always liked you Glance, you are and have been one of the true gentlemen on the internet. That is my opinion of you, not my seeing of you.
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Well I haven't always liked you, Nemo. Sometimes I do and sometimes I don't. And in the same vein, I know for a fact that I haven't always been a gentlemen on the internet. Sometimes I'm and ****..and sometimes I'm not. That's closer to the truth, isn't it? Opinions are what are getting tossed around here, regardless of what we see. DJ talked about that all the time...the discrepancy there....and its a big time challenge, navigating that discrepancy. I see lots of posturing in this thread...."this is this" and "that is that". I don't doubt that you see and others see...but I don't trust the voice that tends to arise to report what has been seen. Your's included. In this last post, you reveal a disconnect between your opinion...and your seeing. To me, that is significant...apropos.
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In my line of work. I have men under my supervision. Often I will like some of the men, then find out that they cannot deliver on the work to be done, and those with unpleasant personalities very capable to do the work. That is the difference here, this forum is called nagual forums, but it changed it's name to new seers, which I said was incorrect to my seeing, and would add to confusion, and I could not see myself contributing on a forum with that heading so I stopped. Now I see that the name is back to the nagual forums a switcharoonie of sorts. Having some seers on hand would stop that kind of blunder.
Carlos again:
To see the luminous nature of the world permits us to choose, without any possibility of error, the most appropriate symbols to transmit ideas.
"The technique which prevents that revision from drifting towards the capricious is seeing.
So where you see posturing I see something else going on energetically speaking. You are blending the two things that I am separating, you do that routinely and that ends up like this unpleasant for both of us.
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It is the FI that made you leave these forums, not glance or a forum name change. The FI causes you to see the name change as a blunder. Open your eyes...there are plenty of seers here. In fact, there are many Naguals here. I am grateful to know them and for a place like this (regardless of the name).
Take a look at the name of this sub forum....coincidence?
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Delawaredan I would be interested to know what your description of the of the foreign instillation is and how it is to be recognized by me. Strangely enough you came to this sub forum to engage me so we are equals in that respect.
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We are most definatley equals my friend! I pretty much think of the FI as described by CC...I am sure you have read some of his stuff. LOL I am not trying to challenge you but I do not like negativity such as when you stated this site needed seers to prevent folly. That my friend is not your true self speaking (In my opinion of course!). Have a wonderful day.
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"that ends up like this unpleasant for both of us. "
Speak for yourself, Nemo. I'm experiencing no unpleasantness whatsoever
"Speak for yourself" There is peace in that!
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Okay friendship accepted. My contributions are pointing to something that I "know" that is not seen here by the seers that I have come across in the accessible part of the forum, and because my gaze has depth beyond normal attention, a get a sense of the complete picture here including the private forum. I am a "seer" and a warrior of the third attention, and I am mapping it for others to comprehend,
One main difference of my "seeing" as apposed to the seers of this forum is that there is a route available that is all inclusive, and no one is left out, the Mayans left as a whole civilization to another level realm dimension if you like, and I have found the keys to that door. One of the keys to that door is to share and share openly, and because that key is missing here, I am here to leave the key for any that are willing to pick it up,
Now I have absolute respect for Nagual Lone Wolf, and what he has been able to accomplish here and is again to me at least has been a gentleman, and if glance has not well lol I have not come across it. This will be my last post here, but I will leave the key for you to pick up any old time you like.
with unconditional love nemo
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Deepening clarity is not without risk. DJ talked about this specifically. Clarity, and then power. Vanity often rides shotgun with advancement. Turns warriors into authorities.
The picture above...is what, Nemo? You offering me the key? The irony is deep here. Keep your key, my friend. You might need it for yourself later on..to open an obstruction you don't see yet.
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Thank you. I do agree with you that there is a route that is all inclusive. There are many here that understand this, and practice many spiritual traditions. In fact, that may be the reason NLW changed the name to the New Seers....for the very reason you indicated here. Thanks again for the key and I will use it for the benefit of all here. I hope you do not decide to leave the forum altogether as you are most welcome here and you are an intelligent being.
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Glance you have sloughed me off any time you have engaged me as isn't that a quaint little seer description that nemo has
Your replies would be different if you actually saw what I said, and
then you could add to the third attention bias as Archaos does,
Your
post count Glance is in the thousands, point me in the direction of a
comprehensive description of the third attention and let me have a look
at it, you can't because you are a warrior of the second attention.
Having know you guys for awhile and read this thread I see something.
There seems to be too much (sublet) ego attachment and concepts/logic/words
Truth here is a light that shines through two different fixed facets of a crystal
Thanks ))
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