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Modern Nagualism-What Happens After Death?
Greetings!
Permit me to jump right in - hopefully there will be time for getting to know eachother later.
I assume that whatever I offer will be received according to each person's experience, so formalities won't make much difference.
I will tell you that the only believing I practice is 'having to believe'; in other words, I will tell you what I know and not what I believe.
Of course, I expect no one to believe me - only to consider my views as objectively as possible, without prejudice (pre-judging).
One thing that must be addressed is what the Eagle is. To say that the Eagle consumes awareness is not very precise.
It is the Eagle's beak (and talons) which devour awareness, and this is a significant point.
http://books.google.com/books?id=tibqsi ... ns&f=false
You will see there are two colors mentioned - immeasureable jet-blackness and patches of white.
From my experience the Eagle is the electromagnetic spectrum; or the EM spectrum is a significant portion of the Eagle.
There has been enough documentation about people dying or having near-death experiences and seeing a white light.
This light is the "patches" and it corresponds to the visible light portion of the EM spectrum. This is the portion we see as colors,
but when these colors are seen as a whole, they appear as white light. The portion of the Eagle that consumes human awareness is visible light.

Here you can see what a small portion of the spectrum visible light is - white flashes in the midst of two immeasureable black wings.
This is what it looks like when you travel the spectrum, or see it. These two wings are also the left and right sides of awareness.
This spectrum is the Eagle's emanations and it is what your luminous cocoon is composed of. Everything is composed of it.

Anyway, it's unfortunate more people are not familiar with this template, because we can talk more specifically about our journeys using this.

"The Eagle's emanations are always grouped in clusters," he went on. "The old seers called those clusters the great bands of emanations. They are not really bands, but the name stuck."
http://aquakeys.com/toltec/fire-from-wi ... emanations
As you can see, the EM spectrum is also grouped in clusters, but somewhat differently than sorcerers would have seen, but somewhat similar as well.
You may notice that this is also the wheel of time - that is how it is seen when "travelling" through it - a tunnel/wheel.
Most people notice the light in the tunnel and go for that, but the light is not the end of the tunnel. It is for your "average man" as CC puts it:
that is where he gets consumed. But warrior-seers dart past the Eagle, the Eagle's beak that is, "the light", into further portions of the emanations
and retain awareness - they "dart" into UV, x-ray, gamma and cosmic rays - the left side awareness or nagual.
Of course, these are only words and theories if you haven't experienced it. One could also relate 10 great bands very easily to the Kabbalistic tree of life.
I just appreciate the scientific aspect of the EM spectrum. I learned to divide it into 7 bands which relate to seven endocrine glands and 7 chakras,
but one could argue that all this is random - it's just a way of talking.
But "the light" is one landmark that can give us some orientation, and this is where most people go when they die, and it is true - one is stripped
of their memories just like a magnetic tape or DVD is stripped by a powerful magnet.
Perhaps it is confusing that I speak of Castaneda's world in different terms, but it is also helpful to corroborate.
It was mentioned that only a thorough recapitulation can get one past the Eagle's beak. That is only the stalking side of it.
We can also realise the ego/tonal for what it is. That is the way of dreamers and of nonduality. When we practice self-inquiry
and see for ourselves the illusory nature of the ego, it drops away, just as DJ said:
"We hardly ever realize that we can cut anything out of our lives, anytime, in the blink of an eye."
Castaneda mentioned this option as well, but I don't remember where to find the quote. It was basically saying we can
cut off the thousand heads of the monster (recapitulation) or go directly for the heart in one blow.
If anyone has practiced any nonduality and such, one sees that the ego/identity has no substance and no real continuity,
but appears as a result of memory/self-reflection and re-membering these events linearly and naming them all "I".
Anyway, that too you must experience for yourself. My point is, when this is seen, there is no need to recapitulate because
all these memories you would be recapitulating belong to this idea of a separate self which doesn't actually exist.
Of course, it is not enough to rationalise the non-existence of the ego - you have to see it directly. This turns the guard
back into a guardian. When DJ says, "I don't have any personal history... One day I found out that personal history was no
longer necessary for me and, like drinking, I dropped it.", you can believe it. He really has no identity...
"That is the little secret I am going to give you today," he said in a low voice. "Nobody knows my personal history.
Nobody knows who I am or what I do. Not even I."
"How can I know who I am, when I am all this?" he said, sweeping the surroundings with a gesture of his head.
Anyway, I'm sure you all know the books. The point is, such a one has nothing to fear of the Eagle's beak. And such a one
has nothing to recapitulate. Perhaps you have read Patanjali's Yoga Sutras and the commentary on "burnt seeds"
which cannot sprout as an analogy of a yogi's actions not producing karma? Same thing. Such a one darts past the Eagle's beak.
So there are lots of options as to what happens after death. It all depends on your frequency signature. I mean the specifics depend
on that. Of course, generally, people will end up at the light sooner or later, but they can hang out in infrared and haunt people and
places as well. Time is so different, exponentially so, as you can see from the EM spectrum chart. Some inorganic beings are dead
people who were on earth like you and I, and some inorganic beings are something else as DJ describes. Inorganic beings exist on
this side of the light and on the other side as well. Obviously, when we dart past the Eagle's beak, we do so as inorganic beings.
Some people experience what they term hells after death. Again, this has to do with the exponential nature of time and frequency.
If you've done any power plants, you probably know that an hour can seem like eternity in those loops. A person can experience
aeons of hell on the way to the Eagle's beak. It is all a matter of attention - the fixation of the faces of the second attention. We don't
go to the Eagle's beak in linear time; the Eagle's beak is not a place - it's a frequency, or band of frequencies. One mystery of human
beings is that we are all levels of frequencies simultaneously now - we merely perceive a skimming of them, due to our fixation.
For me, "here" is all there is. I have always been "here" and I will be "here" when I die - nothing will change. "Here" is my consciousness.
I cannot escape my consciousness. Wherever I go, there I am. You may see me sitting in a room in front of a computer... that is only
part of my "here". For me, "here" is multiple levels simultaneously. My awareness is more than body awareness. I can emphasize
the DNA world and I can emphasize the solar system or the universe... I really don't know what will happen when I die - on many
levels, I am already dead, and nothing has changed.
The second attention is always new. I suspect it will be new when I die. What would it serve to die into something known? I live in the
unknown now. I have no reason to believe it will be different when I die. As the Katha Upanishad says, "As below so above, as above so
below; he passes from death to death who finds here the least shadow of variety. There is no variety in THAT."
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Some people experience what they term hells after death. Again, this has to do with the exponential nature of time and frequency.
If you've done any power plants, you probably know that an hour can seem like eternity in those loops. A person can experience
aeons of hell on the way to the Eagle's beak. It is all a matter of attention - the fixation of the faces of the second attention. We don't
go to the Eagle's beak in linear time; the Eagle's beak is not a place - it's a frequency, or band of frequencies. One mystery of human
beings is that we are all levels of frequencies simultaneously now - we merely perceive a skimming of them, due to our fixation.

For me, "here" is all there is. I have always been "here" and I will be "here" when I die - nothing will change. "Here" is my consciousness.
I cannot escape my consciousness. Wherever I go, there I am. You may see me sitting in a room in front of a computer... that is only
part of my "here". For me, "here" is multiple levels simultaneously. My awareness is more than body awareness. I can emphasize
the DNA world and I can emphasize the solar system or the universe... I really don't know what will happen when I die - on many
levels, I am already dead, and nothing has changed.

Good post, you realy delved down to the "heart" of the matter. In particular, your observation that the eagels beak is a frequency, not a one off event. Just a few nights ago, i had what i termed a "hell night" being stuck in a single draining moment for 3-4 hours. But it wasnt unfamiliar, it was a moment similar to other moments when one is being pulled by death, as you explained it. The reason i could experience that, calmly, more or less, is becasue of what you describe in the second paragraph i quoted from your post. On many levels im already dead, this is the experienc eof that aspect of self awareness, as you say, Emphasize the solar system or universe...its a matter of emphasis, not inevitability.
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Yes, the design of "here" is actually a very fruitful design. In here we have everything we need to evolve. Heaven, a concept members here do not discuss really, but for sake of making a point, a belief in heaven, where only good prevails, good being relative term, would be a stale environment to experience. Maybe nice at first, peace, calm, serinity, law and order, purity. All nice things, but what about being challenged? There would be no challenges in such a realm. Same is the case with trying to escape "here" for somewhere better, even if one does not call it heaven, its the idea of likeness one seeks, to have only peace, or happiness, or whatever is perceived as an ideal state to be in.
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Ravenmoon wrote:Yes, the design of "here" is actually a very fruitful design. In here we have everything we need to evolve. Heaven, a concept members here do not discuss really, but for sake of making a point, a belief in heaven, where only good prevails, good being relative term, would be a stale environment to experience. Maybe nice at first, peace, calm, serinity, law and order, purity. All nice things, but what about being challenged? There would be no challenges in such a realm. Same is the case with trying to escape "here" for somewhere better, even if one does not call it heaven, its the idea of likeness one seeks, to have only peace, or happiness, or whatever is perceived as an ideal state to be in.In this reality we brush up against things that make us happy and things that do not, things we reject and things we accept. The energy level one develops allows for the things that lower our energy to not engage us for nearly as long. Here in the now, with all our energy I like the intent in what you are saying here RM. The question is can a high energy awareness keep it's sustain (:
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Nemo, that questions reminds me of the tree that won't bend in the wind gets broken.
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I remember Dan/Lu saying to me that the wind can and does drain your energy, and I thought how strange for I considered the wind and ally. If you recall DJ was able to conjure up the wind, and it is something I am able to do from time to time.
Years ago I came across a neat example, of the strength of a tree to endure the wind on its own, and befriend it. In the area I grew up in there were single trees, mature old ones in the middle of the fields. Not sure if it was a local quirk in behavior, but most fields had one. I asked a local farmer why they were there, and he said "ahh, not sure Ricky, but I know why I don't cut them down, can't split the damn things". You see they get tossed and turned every which way, and the fibers intertwine, and the branches grow on all sides, and end up gnarly old trees. As we have been given an example from previous seers that the eagle harvests most awareness, but has given an avenue to escape that fate. These local trees and the wind are a wonderful example of the two things becoming one.  
Below is the local tree to me called the comfort maple, it is considered to be one of the oldest maples around here. I sit with it once and a while and we have a talk.
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I find it pointant that there are sorcerers and awarness seekers from 40,000 years ago still slipstreaming thorugh our world.. and only NOW finding out that their jump was just to the end of the AGE and not to infintiy.
there are many ancient sorcerers beginning to find out finally what does indeed happen after death..
although it has taken a while!
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I wonder what the point of departure was? For those old sorcerers?





"SPACE" LOL...I feel more spacious already. So nice! Out there while in here
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glance left wrote:I wonder what the point of departure was? For those old sorcerers?





"SPACE" LOL...I feel more spacious already. So nice! Out there while in here
although the cliff is 300feet high and the wet rock impact point 1000s of feet thick.. It is only the first MILLIMETRE of it that kills you.
just do some tai chi on the way.
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LOL...good one
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nemo wrote:Okay glance, thx for the explanation. Mornings Son was to skype with me at sometime also, MS? Your whole chat crew? What happens after death is you have to talk with nemo on skype, that's only funny because a friend of mine is talking with me through someone else i talk to on skype, and he died about a year ago. 



Thx rosygyro for the Third Ring of Power, I had forgotten that term and it is one of my favorites.
Coming back to you on skyping Nemo ))
taking about what happens after Death yes.
Most excellent ))))
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The more clearly and deeply an apprentice would see this there in Nagual Maria’s kitchen, the more they would “see Eternity” and enter into the Third Attention with the initial beginning of Burning-With-The-Fire-From-Within, but not as the final Definitive Journey.

http://absolutoracle.com/Carlosoracle/A ... wSeers.htm
I think this is a fascinating piece of The Inheritor. I mean think of it. Inheritor, obviously adept in many disciplines, in that immensity, in a little corner known as Maria’s kitchen having a chat with a nagual Maria and the Tenant! I think this has some weight concerning this subject of what happens after death, especially when it concerns a nagual, who has died or made transition to energy body.
If I am correct the idea of re-incarnation is not accepted in sorcerer circles, and does not fit with ideas found in CCs books. And yet the Inheritor and the Tenant are advising the nagual Maria to consider re-incarnating as way beyond her dilemma. Something she has indeed been considering for quite some time but cannot give up what she has gained even if it is not “freedom”. It is also worthy of note the distinction being made between the “initial beginning of Burning-With-The-Fire-From-Within, AND the final Definitive Journey.”
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Lex, it is only a joke website, as "Inheritor" is writing trash about "Padma". But it has a point still, only if a person can think about it.
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sustained reaction You wont even let me write or post on your SECTION ( ha ha ) of the tehcnosphere! why is this?
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Lex Silentio wrote:The more clearly and deeply an apprentice would see this there in Nagual Maria’s kitchen, the more they would “see Eternity” and enter into the Third Attention with the initial beginning of Burning-With-The-Fire-From-Within, but not as the final Definitive Journey.

http://absolutoracle.com/Carlosoracle/A ... wSeers.htm
I think this is a fascinating piece of The Inheritor. I mean think of it. Inheritor, obviously adept in many disciplines, in that immensity, in a little corner known as Maria’s kitchen having a chat with a nagual Maria and the Tenant! I think this has some weight concerning this subject of what happens after death, especially when it concerns a nagual, who has died or made transition to energy body.

If I am correct the idea of re-incarnation is not accepted in sorcerer circles, and does not fit with ideas found in CCs books. And yet the Inheritor and the Tenant are advising the nagual Maria to consider re-incarnating as way beyond her dilemma. Something she has indeed been considering for quite some time but cannot give up what she has gained even if it is not “freedom”. It is also worthy of note the distinction being made between the “initial beginning of Burning-With-The-Fire-From-Within, AND the final Definitive Journey.”

Post #33 made 3 days ago
Since counting posts has come up in the last couple months lol
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The late Theun mares.. used to refer to normal man as TIGER MAN.

I do not however believe he meant tiger man as a lower grade of awarness

theun mares intensely believed in intelligent co-operation.. and fundamentally

he must have thought the Tigerman was a generic inner energy of earth!

jus sayin!
I think this is not only relative to the ROSE.. as in through INTELLIGENT CO_OPERATION
but also part of death as we cannot betray the bridge of our own incarnation! See how i operate!
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I'm not sure how a seer could not acknowledge reincarnation.

Anything we can think of is a reality - who knows that more than a seer?

What isn't possible?
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I suppose they just didn't see it as a sorcerers' option/choice. the idea might allow one to invest energy in some future instead of this moment.
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Archaos wrote:

Anything we can think of is a reality - who knows that more than a seer?

What isn't possible?
Indeed!
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The question is "I would ask you what is your belief on what happens after your death? What do you believe happens after death ?

The answer is "I don't know". I don't believe anything, because I don't know.
I may listen to others, -- but because they also have not died yet (in this life, at least) -- neither do they know.
So i have no reason to believe they know anything more than I. they are only guessing. just as i would be to try to answer this question.

"I don't know" and at this point, i don't care. what difference does it make? It's not going to change my behavior one way or another.

Would it change yours?
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Archaos wrote:I'm not sure how a seer could not acknowledge reincarnation.

Anything we can think of is a reality - who knows that more than a seer?

What isn't possible?
The question of WHEN to reincarnate arises.
the dragonwolf is a specific incarnation..
the rootkeeper of a world.
if Theun mares fot instance was to reincarnate again on our world it would be earlier than his last incarnation.
the transformation of the universe requires that its core of darkness is forver shrinking in order for the universe to resolve itself.
In this vein certain re-incarnating entities have a very direct niche into powersytems that track the shrinking core!
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rosygyro wrote:
The question of WHEN to reincarnate arises.
the dragonwolf is a specific incarnation..
the rootkeeper of a world.
if Theun mares fot instance was to reincarnate again on our world it would be earlier than his last incarnation.

the transformation of the universe requires that its core of darkness is forver shrinking in order for the universe to resolve itself.
In this vein certain re-incarnating entities have a very direct niche into powersytems that track the shrinking core!
That is a great point Rosygyro.   I can think of a few types of beings that sort of go dormant for a while, waiting for the correct time to come back to Earth.  Maybe when we think of reicarnation we immediately envision a hasty return to this plane as the same being we were when we departed it.  But if we go outside that box, it really is like archoas said, what ISN't Possible when there is no time or space to hold us in?
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SO then, rosy... from your comments, I assume that you believe that time is a consistent measure in all worlds? And that it is a measure that can be relied on when passing between worlds? And indeed, that time exists in all worlds?
DG
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