Modern Nagualism-What Happens After Death?

[delawaredan]

You probably typed in quick reply and then hit Add Reply thinking you hit the quick reply button below the Quick Reply box (as oppsed to the Add Reply bos above the quick reply). I have dont this, your post dissapears.

Only moderators can delete and WG would not do this without letting everyone know...LOL.

[delawaredan]

I wish we could edit...as my grammer and spellnig was really bad above.

[watergaze]

indeed dan is right that i did not delete anything, neither did anyone else. I can see in the admin log that the last time someone deleted something was when peacefulwarrior deleted his own reply in the Introduction section.

dan, when you (or anyone else) make a post with lots of typos or mistakes, just repost the same post again - the better version of it. then ask me in mod/admin log to delete the 'defective' post . (and if it already is not possible to repost and have it in the same order or replying in the thread, then give me the text you want to have in your message instead of what you posted. i will just copy paste it there)

[cabbageman]

Ah ok.

What I was going to say is this:

QS is free to do whatever she pleases, anytime, anywhere, anyhow. All of us have the right to free will. She needs not explain herself. She is still going to be on her forum from what I gather so I don't really see the big deal anyways.

This knowledge, is so vast. There are so many different interpretations and different sources. I don't believe in right or wrong, but I do believe if you provide answers to someone through seeing, which takes time and energy, and the person who asked for that answer refuses to listen, then really, that person wasted time and energy. I can see how it could be tiring. Especially when you provide answers that essentially shatter ego's and realities. I personally wouldn't offer such a service except to people really close.

I really do value the time and energy QS has given towards the improvement of my goals. Thank you, I really appreciate it.

P.S: A real stalker can be anything at anytime. Therefor they may not be lying but the answer may have only been valid from that specific position of the AP.

[delawaredan]

"P.S: A real stalker can be anything at anytime. Therefor they may not be lying but the answer may have only been valid from that specific position of the AP. "

yes - this is valid, and why should I or anyone else judge someones impeccability. But when it is a person who often wastes the energy of others......the lying is self importance and ego.

[Senear]

cabbageman wrote:

QS is free to do whatever she pleases, anytime, anywhere, anyhow. All of us have the right to free will. She needs not explain herself. She is still going to be on her forum from what I gather so I don't really see the big deal anyways.


there is no "big deal". I only saw people expressing their thoughts on Qs's presence, and more specificly, replying to the idea that we should be happy to see her leave (A concept she introduced in her post...albeit in a joking manner). Its natural for people to reply to QS in the way they did, given the concept/idea being responded to. Not trying to infringe on her rights for self determination. But thanks for the perspective, it is true, even expressing ones feelings or thoughts can be in a way an attempt to impose limitations if one chooses to view it from that perspective. I suppose if one wants to stretch it, and look for that, RM saying dont go could be misinterpreted to fit your perception. But having seen some of the past, posting here, i saw it more as her honest reaction to the prospect; despite some past friction, she recognizes the value of what QS is and shares. I dont see any of that as negative. Then again, "Seeing" is often the issue. As is the internal dialogue...so who knows what we see

[Guest]

Yes that's how I meant it (as Sen said). If QS really wants to go I respect her right to do that of course. My response was based on the idea that no, not everyone is happy to see her leave.

[rosygyro]

The way i understand warriorshipit is the decision to take up intelligent co-operation ( symbolised by the yellow rose)and as the yellow rose is also pivotal to manifestation also choose to abandon the jewel of discrimination.this is essentually asking your tonal to be cut within the greater purpose for the long term and knowing thatshould you survive the term that your assemblage point will have STEPPED its vibration.this is not a move of fluidity! This is an assemblage move of calculation over time, (calculation stemming from the east)
if you read my post "aztec death ritual" you will see that i also believe in the stage, the screen and the projected imageand that SEERS can witness a vision and depending apon the energy "behind the scenes" or backstage of that visionalso have an effect whilst they percieve apon the greater vision incorporating the "entire" THEATRE,
Within my generation 1976-now.i know that there are children and adults in the world who make electronic music who have never held an acoustic instrument.who have learned music from radio and CD through magnetic speakers set to a TEMPO.and that some music has no WESTERLY ROOT..i beleive that the children are not just born in our future and hence the eastbut also that unfolding technology envelops those children in a way we cannot share.someday the archtypal drumbeat of ancient wisdomwill place beats in its west and gaps in its eastthe archetypal electronic rythm will do the same echoed with machineand the spear will fly!
anyway i chose ROSYGYRO

[rosygyro]

after chain smoking across the void i have germinated some virginia tobacco.20 years of tax has just hit the seedlings that made me pay it!time to give up....(nearly)

[spiderlily]

rosygyro wrote:
 warriorship
 is the decision to take up intelligent co-operation 
to abandon the jewel of discrimination.
asking your tonal to be cut within the greater purpose for the long term 
knowing  your assemblage point will have STEPPED its vibration.


 
As always, greatly appreciate your posting, Sir.

[Senear]

rosygyro wrote:The way i understand warriorship
it is the decision to take up intelligent co-operation ( symbolised by the yellow rose)
and as the yellow rose is also pivotal to manifestation also choose to abandon the jewel of discrimination.
this is essentually asking your tonal to be cut within the greater purpose for the long term and knowing that
should you survive the term that your assemblage point will have STEPPED its vibration.
this is not a move of fluidity! This is an assemblage move of calculation over time, (calculation stemming from the east)

if you read my post "aztec death ritual" you will see that i also believe in the stage, the screen and the projected image
and that SEERS can witness a vision and depending apon the energy "behind the scenes" or backstage of that vision
also have an effect whilst they percieve apon the greater vision incorporating the "entire" THEATRE,

Within my generation 1976-now.
i know that there are children and adults in the world who make electronic music who have never held an acoustic instrument.
who have learned music from radio and CD through magnetic speakers set to a TEMPO.
and that some music has no WESTERLY ROOT..
i beleive that the children are not just born in our future and hence the east
but also that unfolding technology envelops those children in a way we cannot share.
someday the archtypal drumbeat of ancient wisdom
will place beats in its west and gaps in its east
the archetypal electronic rythm will do the same echoed with machine
and the spear will fly!


anyway i chose ROSYGYRO


Ah thanks for explaining that. Rosy Gyro. When i see the "gyro" i call it "a perpetual motion machine" because it, as you explain, moves on in/with the resonance, and generates power as opposed to consuming it like a furnace. (As is in a dream on first or second page of my public dream thread). The roses...well, two nights ago in my dreaming, the three long stemed roses were...strange. As if they were a rose from a single stem not a bush...and the rootballs had been shaved. But in one rose, their were three small spheres like...onions...these were the seed and secret of the roses. I made use of them by dividing them out, giving away two and keeping the one...i also broke up the root balls that were hidden so the roses could be spread to more gardens. It seemed the roses were red, however...but i took that to be a phase/state. Also, interesting perspective on the music and tones and gaps...yes. and the note on generations...1976...the year i was born. On that note i have a question, that i dont need a real answer too. You say go east, not west? unlike the song that fits as a metaphoric stand in for this perception? (the part after lyrics is the best corolation to seeing on gaps and spirit as you explained better then i have the gumption to do) I guess that is what you are saying. I cant remember if it is you or sacateca who speaks of the west/direction nagual spirit in thttp://www.youtube.com/v/cfGTm_viXPs?version=3&hl=en_USerms of its destructive potential.

[Senear]

Also i refrenced a dream from a few nights ago that i would never post in general forums so i edited it a bit and added it to my thread...because thats rather rude to mention and offer nothing to look at if one is so inclined so i fixed that.

http://sorcery.yuku.com/sreply/76005/A- ... ved-dreams

[delawaredan]

Although this thread has really gone off topic and there was some tension....I really appreciate the fact that it has brought a lot of us together in a discussion.    I often notice factions of certain people only commenting on other certain people's posts.    This thread feels to me as if there is more unity in our forum then differences.    Despite the fact that QS decided to leave (hopefully she will come back), it has been a positive turn for this site and I see great things for this forum and the people involved.....making it a good place to share knowledge.  

thank you everyone

[Mornings Son]

Dan I was pulled to check your post ))
This is good news!

[rosygyro]

EASTERLY
SEERS- The qualities of easterly seers are that they aquiesce to
potential.. although the future is full of advanced technology, eutopian
dreams and enormously loving potential an easterly SEER does not just
bask in the wonder of the world that can become possible. For instance
to imagine you have a 12 dimensional light body and that the universe is
endless love is bullshit. The truth is our world is FUBAR and there are
very few ways for it to change.. GRANTED there is the potential that
our 12D light bodies will activate and there is the reality that our
world is evolving.. but it IS NOT in this age mature. The EASTERLY SEER
knows that the futre is not just life energy but also destruction. life
and death two very real forces operating side by side in every nano
second of the progression of existence. as such when an EASTERLY SEER
looks to the future he does not just see the 12d body of light.. he also
sees 9 channels of death which DESTROY
his existing form so that change may be plotted. an easterly male seer
will listen to children from a world where sexual abuse is a thing of
the past.. and as he is a thing living in a WORLD of the past to such a
vision.. he beckons its streaming death just as he aquiesces to its
freedoms. transdimensionally an EASTERLY female seer will not just bask
in the energy of our world and will see that some of our KNOWN is
outmoded...in some ways this is like asking the easterly seeress to
deliberatly be uncomfortable.. knowing that much of what she sees is
unnessisary for the planetary future. for the easterly male seer it
is to feel all current day tantric gates destroyed.. the destruction
counteleess millions must undergo to change must be embodied as part of a
spiritual path. for the female.. all the secret ways of the feminine
which have provided sanctuary for abused women, a private space beyond
systemic abuse etc.. must be let go of as a part of the manifestation
and perpetuation of such abuse. THE WORLD cannot change if our worldview
and talents of survival are only able to have place in this planetary
set. for instance- if i ran a suicide helpline service.. I would get all
employees to sign affirmations that they were willing to become
unemployed if the suicide rates fell. in fact i would check that they
would consider becoming unemployed through cataclysmic sociological
psychic change a thing to DESIRE! we must not operate at cross purposes.
many many charities will become obselete.. and their 10000s of
employees must not fight against losing promotions in a business we do
not want to perpetuate ULTIMATLY.I suppose its not AFTER DEATH to which i refer.. as if it is something further down the line (he he).. But rather a STREAM of destruction stemming from the easterly quarter that is as much a part of the assemblage shift as life energy is!
DEATH percieved within life.. and what life is like after we are dead? different things.. but we should certainly aquiesce to the former first if we are to get any sensation of destruction within time.

[Uncle Sam]

One thing is sure, our awareness and energy body (double) awareness is Energy.

So as your physical body dies, the energy goes cosmic (the first NLWs post here), both your awareness and energy body. Your awareness energy takes transference/rebirth (up to 49 days) (i.e. after being processed by Eagle) and the energy body (double) lasts 50-100 years in ordinary person, dissipating, fading into background (one friend of mine has met his mother - i.e. her energy body 20 years after her death, she was still fuctional to communicate), nothing is permament, change.

Only the sorcerer, special case, the second attention warrior case specifically - does the transfer of his/her awareness into the energy body (double), thus avoiding transference/rebirth elsewhere, i.e. confinement into energy body (DJ called it "graveyard").

But the third attention warrior merges his/her awareness and energy body (double) awareness into one unit (thats LIFE then, evolution continues, total freedom).

In the case of ordinary person, there is the transference of awareness (of the energy, rebirth, taking form) and the energy body (double) is a left-over, fading into background, a shade.

So here is the exact, reliable description finally.

The warning for people is to be aware of danger of transference to the hell realm, animal realm, ghost realm, and spirit realm. The unfortunate states of existence.

For warriors, if you are a warrior, to be a third attention warrior, not the second one. Then if you fail in that, and choose to hold your awareness as the second attention warrior, it is ghost realm for the time. Some men of knowledge choose to dissolve instead.

so thats FYI, as i have noticed many of you here to uphold the death-defiers (second attention warrior bias) ideas...

also second attention dreaming is not enough... without recapitulation, there is no possibility to pass. then you are limited to your energy body, a ghost.

[Uncle Sam]

QS is helpful, useful and thus important as a witness, as to testimony to nagualism (what is important scientifically), because it is only CC books, Dreamways, this forum and some other limited sources, e.g. Felix Wolf recently here

The Art of Navigation: Travels with Carlos Castaneda and Beyond
http://www.amazon.com/Art-Navigation-Tr ... 0982290012

as to Wolfs, you like wolfs, Teo from Cleargreen, very nice !! :-))

http://www.wolfconnection.org/

and ofc, Armando Torres. Those are real champions.

So we can say that nowadays there are plenty, plenty of data, as to testimony. and it is also healthy to deal with it, lucid dreaming is important for longevity, but thats brain health and soul (i.e. energy body) connection.

There is no need for chacmools to bark at new agers anymore. Knowledge is wide open, we know everything. The rest is performance.

Thanks QS, and i recommend to extend views, or at least to respect there is full spectrum of the knowledge, the extended view from the Yoga and Dharma point of view.

[spiderlily]

also second attention dreaming is not enough... without recapitulation, there is no possibility to pass. then you are limited to your energy body, a ghost.
Good point,  dreaming is only (about) half of the equation.

[Uncle Sam]

If you have any question on topic you can ask here, i claim expertise. Otherwise the energy, the awareness takes the transference/rebirth.

Swami noted that they recapitulate in order to LIVE. true

[Uncle Sam]

spiderlily wrote: 
also second attention dreaming is not enough... without recapitulation, there is no possibility to pass. then you are limited to your energy body, a ghost.Good point,  dreaming is only (about) half of the equation. 
yes my dear, that half is the energy body (double awareness). but the path toward total freedom, the third ring of power, the third attention warrior, is to bring body and energy body together, to integrate it. if you have a natural developed double (dreaming body) energy body already, just bring it here on Earth, bilocation, or biolocation (i.e. energy body here, at hand), thats assurance in order to be able to fuse it, merge it together. The bilocation is necessary step before the Eagles gift,. this is not say that the energy body cant live also in other planes, e.g. heavens for a while or some other cool place, but the point is on the permanent bilocation achievement, thats the big crossing anyway, the left and right side merged so to speak.
It is clear this is full fledged mastery of awareness, this type of yoga. The Light body realization (in Yoga tradition) is the same as the third attention crossing over, the Eagles gift. To burn =)

[Uncle Sam]

To burn with Desire exactly =)))

[Uncle Sam]

SL has brought an important point on the third attention upgrade, as i stress over again that what happens is dependent on the state of our energy/awareness. So even if dont burn and drop dead instead, it is very important how we have lived, in what a state of being (whats energy/awareness) we drop dead.

The yoga to bring the body and the energy body together, mastery of awareness. Not just to "occupy the energy body" and drop dead with that.

In fact, the Death is the mega boost and so there are even great differences inbetween the successfully departed third attentions warriors.

I know that they mature with age as they practice the mastery of awareness. So then to pick up the highest teachings of awareness is the good point on Yoga, but lets say that such a mastery is really tremendous achievement, it is a tremendous path this third attention way of life.

the idea on the upgrade on the mastery of awareness was based on the developing of Jhanas (absorptions into radiant fields of awareness in the inner silence, the levels of inner silence, notice thats in contrast to dreaming, even dr. CC said it openly).

because what ? if you do Jhanas, then you can get in dreaming (with the double) practically anywhere (vertically qualitatively), and thats the point + as a third attention warrior then you can get booted anywhere with that then.

true story.

[Uncle Sam]

So even if you dont burn and drop dead instead it is not the final catastrophe.

Because if you have practiced the awareness (if you have meditated), e.g. you can transfer your awareness into Heavens. It can be a nice surprise that you can meet also your own double (energy body) there in heavens, or not, if it is elsewhere, e.g. in the hell - thats funny on being human, as humans are dual beings of awareness.

To transfer the awareness into the double (second attention warrior) can be sometimes akin to shooting ones leg. so dont be biased.

To die, drop dead means that your awareness is sucked up cosmic into intermediate state whats Space. i.e. the spirit rises from it, when you die physically, the bardo body (awareness/energy).

Dont forget the in the normal case the transference/rebirth of awareness is the result and the energy body is impermanent, only the second attention warrior transfers to it.

Multifaceted. There are even more options to it. As there are more types of resurrection too.

Nevertheless, there is always the Absolute Truth, so there is no worry to it, Universe is good essentially, only if you dont screw yourself.

[rosygyro]

its Backwards.. time is..the dead are dead..but the impeccable stream of their incarnation cannot be destroyed as it is closeley allied with life energyfor instance.I had a dream of a dead friend of mine..but in the dream i was talking to him two years after he died.it was a very clear dream..in fact it cleared my memory of the day he died.his imppeccable energy body was still closing doors as he dissapated..

[spiderlily]

rosygyro wrote:its Backwards.. time is..
the dead are dead..
but the impeccable stream of their incarnation cannot be destroyed as it is closeley allied with life energy
for instance.
I had a dream of a dead friend of mine..
but in the dream i was talking to him two years after he died.
it was a very clear dream..in fact it cleared my memory of the day he died.
his imppeccable energy body was still closing doors as he dissapated..
This is interesting as I have on friend who died a few years ago who visits me in dreaming quite regularly.
Also my great-grandmother, who died three months before I was born, made visits to me off and on throughout my life.